From: Lerion Silverhawk ([email protected])
Subject: Re: you are no witch
Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca
Date: 1997/01/08
Raven BlackBane wrote:
> * since you have been warned and you elect to read *
> * MY opinion on this subject/religion, you wave all *
> * rights to complain or take ANY action against me *
> * *
> * If I have a religion it would be the Blue Ribbon *
> * of the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech *
I see. It is OK for you to rant on, hiding behind the 1st Ammendment,
but you expect us to forgo *our* free speech rights just because you
say so. Think, again.
> * *
> * Again the following contains anti-wicca remarks *
> * It IS on topic for this Group, though negative in *
> * nature, this Group is the best choice since there *
> * is no group called alt.religion.anti.wicca *
> * and hence I have no place to post my remarks *
Try alt.atheism.moderated. They would just *love* to tear your remarks
into the little, irrational, ravings that they are.
> Seriously, are you folks for real?
Yes.
> Does dancing nude under a full moon in
> your backyard really turn you on?
It does some of us, I am sure ;)
> Are all thruster working up there, or is
> everyone ready for the rubber farm?
We do not use "thrusters". We have brains and we use them. I suggest,
however, that you check your own thruster to see why a brain isn't there.
> I have NO religion short of the 1st Amendment, not Christian nor Satanic or
> Jewish or any other.
It's quite clear that you have no idea at all what a "religion" is, or
or you wouldn't have referred to the 1st Ammendment as one.
> So don't take this as some religious evangelist coming
> on to you folks. Nor is this a flame bait to freak you out. No in fact,
> I'm getting one h**l of a good laugh out of reading this group. So much so I
> would like to know where in the Northern Virginia Area I can walk into one
> of your mentally disturbed Wicca stores so I can have a bursting good
> laugh looking at all your want-to-be-a-witch stuff.
Oh, it most definately *is* flame bait. You are as clear as crystal.
Mentally disturbed store -- interesting idea. I didn't know a store
had a mentality that *could* be disturbed. And you thought *we* were
strange!
> You know: the oils and
> candles and yes those "jet powered brooms"; I gotta have one of those; always
> wanted to go to the moon on one of them.
Jet powered broom, huh? I think I'd like to get one of those, too. Where
did you see it? In a Disney film, maybe?
> Sit back and look at yourself. Does all this traditional ranting and
> raving type rituals really obtain any end result?
Yes, they do.
> Does the boggy man
> really wuussshh out of your pentagram and vanish over the horizon on some
> unknown mission and destination.
We don't believe in the boggy man. Do you?
> Don't you think it's time you permently ground yourselves.
Grounding is a standard part of our rituals. BTW -- you forgot the
question mark.
> Trust
> me, those god(dess) you THINK are out there [really they ain't] will not
> mind if you just leave them in peace and quit bugging them.
You are, of course, entitled to your *opinion*, but the matter of the
existence (or not) of any god/ess is not subject to repeatable, objective
verification. Do not presume to know what the greatest philosophers of
all time have been unable to know (unless, of course, you suffer from
megalomania, in which case it's OK).
> Have you ever walked down the street and seen one of them homeless folks
> ranting and raving to themselves or to some invisible buddy and you think the
> poor fellow has lost it.
Yes, I have, but I didn't think he had "lost it". BTW -- you forgot the
question mark, again.
> Take a good hard look in the mirror and I will
> assure you in there glazing back is that same poor old fellow.
I just looked. Really, I did! The person looking back still looks like
me. "Glazing" back? I've got to see that trick!
> I mean raving at the moon seems all to normal for you) I read the book
> from front to back and then had to go to the Emergency room as my laughter
> ruptured my spleen.
I don't know of any fellow Wiccans who "rave" at the moon, so, no, it
doesn't seem "all to normal" for me. (I assume you meant "all too normal",
but I'm too polite to correct your spelling).
> In fact I should have started from the end of the book
[ Snipped -- this really *was* raving. It is obvious that you will
see whatever it is that you wish to see in whatever image you happen
to be observing. ]
> Look the fact is, Wicca (which should be WACCO) is for the mental
> disturbed; folks that just have failed to get a true grasp on reality and
> some how let it split through their oily hands.
And you, of course, know all there is to know about "reality", right?
I'm not sure what "split through their oily hands" means, but my hands
are only oily when I'm at work.
> What is "Merry Meet" and "Harm none, do as you please" (remember telling my
> sysop how peed-off you are about this is post is harming me so don't be a
> hippocrit since I am doing as I please by smashing the bloody truthful
> reality in your face some what harshly is not harming you).
Ah, a double standard! Now the true nature of the poster leaps forth in
all it's hippocracy.
> O.K., this is how I see it all. You know this all a bunch of B.S.
If you mean your post, that is obvious.
> I am
> giving you the beniffit of the doubt and assume that your candles are all
> lit in the right places. It sort of a Dungeon and Dragon type of thing, you
> have your fun, do your dance and then leave knowing it was all in fun and
> excitement knowing full well that there is no such things as Aphrodite,
> Aradia, Arianrhod, or them watch towers buggers.
It has nothing, whatsoever, to do with D&D, and we know no such thing.
> You know full well that
> amulets, herbs, and spells will not protect you but rather resort to mace or
> a gun if harm comes by. You telling me a stupid amulet will ward off some
> Ape looking thief. Yea right, he'll snatch it right out of your hand and
> smack you up sine the head with that stone.
You seem so sure of yourself, but you are entitled to your belief system.
I'm sure you've never put it to the test.
> Yea the one I like the most is "The book of shadows", man now that gets
> my wilily just will-lying. I mean I am so scared that my shaking hands can
> make really good marteenies. Don't tell me you have skeletons in them
> there book partner.
You don't have the slightest idea what "shadow" means.
> That fact is YOU AIN'T NO WITCH;
We are witches *by definition*. You can't change that regardless of
HOW MUCH YOU SHOUT AT US.
> ifen yous was you would not drop the word
> "Witch" from "Witchcraft".
Why not?
> Which by the way reminds me when I first heard
> the words "The Craft" I tgh thought that had something to do with "WarCraft"
Figures. You probably use an assault rifle to hunt rabbits, too.
> Yup, watched the movie called "The Craft". When you can start flying
> around and make clouds and wind come from blue sky and shake the earth and
> make ex-boy friends think your some other witch that he likes; till you can
> do REAL Magic(k) like summons REAL demons or other boggy man from the
> earth or ground or what not, then I will continue to view you as folks that
> have one major mental problem who needs to see the shrink (yet just another
> witch I guess, ... witch doctor ...).
Now we know! You get all your information from movies. And you thought
*we* lived in a world of fantasy. Point and Match.
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