
#: 22775 S1/Collation & Chats
    09-Oct-93  13:24:23
Sb: #22715-Women in Temple Where ??
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: John Day 100236,2364 (X)

John, practically all co-Masonry in the world is part of the "Ordre Maconnique
Mixte International du Droit Humain" (DH in brief), 49, boulevard du Port
Royal, 75005 Paris, France, created in 1893, or of its splinter the "Grande
Loge Mixte Universelle" (GLM), 7, rue Saulnier, 75009 Paris, France, created in
1973. Both are rather small in France, their centre and country of origin
(about 7000 people in 120-odd Lodges for the first, about 1000 in 20 lodges for
the second), but quite widespread throughout the world, where they obviously
fill a perceived need. The women are distinctly in the majority, about 2 to 1.

There are more small splinters, too many and small to count, and with no
international activities. This is the main problem of co-Masonry, outside the
obvious regularity problems (men and women, run by a Supreme Council heading
the 33 degrees of the DH). Men and women in a Masonic Temple spell trouble. I
know the situation well because Odette and I have DH friends and I occasionally
visit their Lodges.

Let's say the JW, who is a man, elopes with the WM, who happens to be a woman,
and since the situation is intolerable for the Lodge, where the SD is the WM's
husband and the Secretary the JW's wife, they go and create another Lodge. The
Supreme Council raps their knuckles, because all this makes a bad impression,
so they gather enough people to make a couple of Lodges and leave in a huff,
proclaiming doctrinal differences, and create a new GL. Bad form. Happens every
few years.

Regards, Mike


#: 22840 S1/Collation & Chats
    10-Oct-93  14:12:15
Sb: Women in Temple Where ??
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: John Day 100236,2364 (X)

John, I will be an unfashionable old macho again.

Firstly, what you describe is definitely DH ("Droit Humain") work. The "Ordre
Maconnique Mixte International du Droit Humain" (DH in brief), created in Paris
in 1893, is a co-Masonry and has in France about 7000 members in 120-odd
Lodges, but is quite widespread in small groups throughout the world, where it
obviously fills a perceived need. The women are distinctly in the majority,
about 2 or 3 to 1. Obvious regularity problems: men and women, run by a Supreme
Council heading the 33 degrees of the DH. The main rite worked is a very, very
modified version of the AASR. Other Rites they might work are definitely
locally borrowed.

I think that the small size of DH Grand Lodges is an inherent problem of
co-Masonry. Very frequent splits take place, often sparked by men-women
relations in Lodge. These splits limit the mother GL to a size that seems to be
below a sort of critical mass. There are in France quite a few mini-GL-s,
splinters of the DH.  It might be interesting to note that all-women GL-s and
Adoption-style GL-s such as the Eastern Star, where men are either absent or
few and limited to certain well-defined functions, seem far more stable.

Now the macho part. Again and again, in the women's and co-masonic Lodges I
have visited in France and elsewhere, there was a very strict and obviously
well-rehearsed observance of ritual, quite beautiful and spectacular I must
say, with all the ladies in black or white robes (and the gents, where
applicable, in dinner suits) and the Officers functioning like well-oiled
clockwork. Unfortunately, not only was there little understanding or
appreciation of, but also little concern about any deeper meaning of what was
done. It seemed to me that they always stopped at the theatrics of it.

So I can only confirm the statements in your message.

Fraternal regards, Mike

#: 26895 S1/Collation & Chats
    30-Nov-93  12:57:32
Sb: #new way
Fm: Kevin P. Menard  72242,520
To: Michael Segall 100275,1313 (X)

Interesting premise.  Based on my Grandfather's comments, I expected my path to
MM to take 2-4 years.  I was surprised to see it go so quickly.  I believed
that a slower way would nothave detered me or any of the EAs I saw in Euless.
those that drop out do so anyway.  But it would make it more "precious".

The SR and YR bother me: aren't they later additions have little to do with the
old Charges of traditional masonry.  There are some comments that support this
in Born in Blood.

                                                Fratenally,
                                                        KPM/TX

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#: 26970 S1/Collation & Chats
    01-Dec-93  06:20:04
Sb: #26895-#new way
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Kevin P. Menard 72242,520 (X)

Bro. Kevin,

Glad to find another Brother conscious of problems, while some cover their ears
and eyes and pretend the problems don't exist, or berate the bearer of bad
news.

Born in Blood is not a valid reference about the history of Masonry, but yes,
the SR and YR are later additions that have little to do with the Old Charges
of traditional Masonry. They serve though a very useful purpose.

Individual High Degrees started appearing in the 1730-s, because of the chaos
that reigned in Masonry at the time. The version of the history of Masonry we
read nowadays had its face washed, its clothes cleaned and pressed, its hair
combed. Reality was a bit different. Newly invented Masonry has become a fad, a
fashion. Everyone, ladies and gents, wanted to be Masons. Since there was
little knowledge or tradition, the weirdest Lodges were created. In one co-
masonic lodge called the Mopses, the candidates had to kiss the behind of a
bulldog during initiation. Some even practiced black magic.

So Masons of a more serious vein, disgusted by the mess, started creating
lodges which only accepted, after a thorough selection process, men who were
already Master Masons. This happened initially in France. The new Lodges called
themselves Scottish Rite Lodges, because of the exiled Scot, Michael Andrew
Ramsay, who had thought up the idea of a higher- class Masonry imitating
mediaeval knights. It's a funny thought that Scottish Rite masonry was invented
in France and latter imported into Scotland, but so it is.

About two dozen types of lodges were created, either taking their ritual from
what was known or imagined of past bodies such as the Knights of Malta or the
Templars, imaginary bodies such as the Rose- Croix, older and little- known
initiatic systems that had disappeared or were disappearing, or sometimes
inventing their new rituals altogether on matters like what happened after the
death of H. Although a vague sequence was assigned to these lodges who were not
yet degrees, only in 1877, at the Convent (congress) of Lausanne, was some
semblance of order finally set. The participants at the Convent were so happy
of finally getting some order out of the previous chaos, that they chose as a
motto for the Scottish Rite "Ordo ab Chao", "order out of chaos". The York rite
followed a similar path.

What use the SR and the YR? For those who go through the degrees seriously and
leisurely, they are a source of additional and very interesting teachings in
new and extended areas of philosophy, ethics, as well as the history and the
principles of ancient initiatic systems that were absorbed into these degrees.
They are not hierarchies above and beyond the Master Mason. As one of my
Brethren, a Masonic author, put it: "The Higher Degrees are not a ladder of new
hierarchies for the MM to climb. They are just additional jewels around the
crown of the MM".

Fraternally, Mike


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#: 27010 S1/Collation & Chats
    01-Dec-93  16:45:46
Sb: #26970-#new way
Fm: Kevin P. Menard  72242,520
To: Michael Segall 100275,1313 (X)

Mike,

Thanks for the clarification.  As I haven't taken the YR or SR, I don't really
have a opinion on their usefulness (NQTRW).  I did get the impression from
reading your discussion in the old country they were either required or
encouraged.  Where does the YR come from?

The merging of the Masonic and the magicial lodges I did hear about from other
places.  But not real often.  Does anyone know of a good, valid history of the
early days?

Fraternally,
Kevin

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#: 27147 S1/Collation & Chats
    02-Dec-93  11:53:29
Sb: #27010-#new way
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Kevin P. Menard 72242,520 (X)

Bro. Kevin,

 >>Does anyone know of a good, valid history of the early days?<<. Well, yes,
but you may find out that the histories differ. Just read them all (histories,
not historic fiction about Masonry) and make up your own mind.

I'm not really qualified to talk to you about the YR, since we at the GL of
France only work the SR, and my knowledge of the YR comes from books only.
Maybe another Brother might answer that.

The SR, if worked unhurriedly, with each degree well understood before you go
to the next, is immensely useful through the wealth of different viewpoints,
philosophies, rites and rituals, spiritual and emotional experiences it brings
to focus on blue Masonry. Otherwise, if done hurriedly, it will give you a
chance to become a Shriner and do immense good around you.

Fraternally, Mike

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#: 27159 S1/Collation & Chats
    02-Dec-93  13:01:28
Sb: #27147-#new way
Fm: Kevin P. Menard  72242,520
To: Michael Segall 100275,1313 (X)

Mike,

Thanks.  I'm reading the earlier series on "new way" and just reached your self
description.  I would have guessed abou 40, bearded and an ex-savate player
from the feel your messages bring.

Question:  How do the christian churches in France deal with masonry?  This can
be aproblem in Texas where most of the "Bible" churches actively oppose us, the
mainline are neutral, and the others fall between.  The R. C. seems neutral
here, but as you get closer to Mexico becomes aggressively anti-masonic.  I'm
still chewing on an article in the library, which prokes the question.  Despite
being Quebicois by extraction, I'm eastern orthodox and it is a non-isssue
there.  The only concern is that you don't deny the Christ.

Any chance will on CIM will see copies of your writing uploaded?

Frat.
Kevin

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#: 27262 S1/Collation & Chats
    03-Dec-93  07:52:19
Sb: #27159-#new way
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Kevin P. Menard 72242,520 (X)

Kevin,

You're welcome. Thanks for thinking I was 22 years younger. And no, I never
practiced savate... I was a Regimental Sargeant Major in the army when I was
much, much younger. Maybe that shows through sometimes. Thought you might be of
Quebecois or French origin, with your French name.

In France, it is hard to speak of Churches, in the plural. France is 90%
Catholic. But there is no problem with the smallish Reformed Churches. Moslems
are very strongly against Masonry, Jews are rather pro-Masonic, except for the
Orthodox Jews. The very, very small Eastern Orthodox Church has no problem with
us.

Catholicism has been the main problem. Its centuries-old anti-Masonic attitude
reached an understandable high at the end of the 19th century and at the
beginning of the 20th, when serious persecution of the Church, with vocal and
active support by the Grand Orient of France, hit a paroxysm too. This was
followed by some decades of alternately open and veiled hostility. Vatican II
started a change in attitudes. For the last ten years, contacts between high
Church officials and representatives of regular French Masonry have multiplied.
I have personally been, for the last seven years, an active participant to the
(until very recently) secret talks between the Catholic Church of France and
the Grand Lodge of France.

Today the atmosphere is serene. The Church describes the members of the Grand
Lodge of France as men of faith, honest in their search of self-improvement and
effort to help the others, following a different, separate but valid path
towards at least partly common spiritual aims.

Fraternally, Mike


#: 27299 S1/Collation & Chats
    03-Dec-93  13:15:08
Sb: #UnMsnc Stuff in Lodge
Fm: John Ross-Barnard (UK) 100141,3133
To: John R. Ray 72773,1435 (X)

Bro John - you maybe interested to know that in the UK the word "altar" is
deemed incorrect. The word used is "Pedestal".
This replacement was introduced several years ago following discussions with
the Church Authorities.
It prompts me to wonder when and why the word "bible" was replaced with VSL? I
am sure there are those who, in hindsight, will claim that the change was
introduced to accommodate non-christian masons but that argument is a bit too
convenient for my liking.
Anyone know the answer to this one?
Sins & Frats
John Ross-Barnard, Coventry Foundation Lodge #4543 UK


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#: 27304 S1/Collation & Chats
    03-Dec-93  14:22:19
Sb: #27299-UnMsnc Stuff in Lodge
Fm: John R. Ray 72773,1435
To: John Ross-Barnard (UK) 100141,3133 (X)

Brother John - I was aware of the differences in altar vs pedestal, as I am
about the different locations in various lodges.  Some place the altar/pedestal
in the center of the room, others by the Secretary's desk, yet others up
by/near the Master of the Lodge.  I can only speculate on the reasons for using
VSL, but I seem to recall having heard or seen something a while back
addressing that point.  I'll check my refernce files to see.

S&F, JR


#: 27048 S1/Collation & Chats
    01-Dec-93  23:25:32
Sb: #26743-#new way
Fm: Alan P. Branch 72613,3142
To: Dave Bosworth (IndplsIN) 75330,2556 (X)

I agree Dave that 5 years as an E.A. is a bit much.  In NYC, the G.C. states
that  one month must pass between the annoucement of a dgree and it's
conferral.  This allows a minimum of 1 month between degrees.  This is
sufficient for the candidates to become proficient and understand the degree
work from the preceding degree.

Alan

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#: 27133 S1/Collation & Chats
    02-Dec-93  09:41:04
Sb: #27048-#new way
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Alan P. Branch 72613,3142 (X)

Alan, 5 years is a lot. One month is extremely little, at least from my point
of view. Tell you why. An EA-s curriculum in my blue Lodge is more or less as
follows, both in monthly meetings with the JW and on one's own:

1) Study all the symbolic objects present in Lodge at the 1st degree. Learn
their traditional meaning, develop personal interpretations and test these
against the interpretations of the other EA-s in open discussions under the
guidance of the JW.

2) Study the specific symbolism, philosophy and teachings of the 1st degree.

3) Study the aims and philosophy of Freemasonry as seen by the Grand Lodge of
France.

4) Study the basic elements of the history of French and English Freemasonry.

5) Study the basics of the history and characteristics of the pre-1717
Operative orders.

6) Study the basics of the history of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.
We work the AASR, which is an uninterrupted sequence from the 1st through the
33rd degree, although the blue Lodges are physically and administratively
independent and separate from the higher degrees.

7) Study the history, the Constitutions, the regulations and the structures
(Masonic and administrative) of the Grand Lodge of France.

8) Prepare three original lectures, that should not be book quotations but
contain personal thought. Thereafter present, discuss and amend them if
necessary in the meetings with the other EA-s and the JW.

9) Present one of the three lectures (selected by the JW) before the entire
Lodge, in a normal meeting.

This last lecture, and the recommendation of the JW, are the main elements in
the decision of the MM-s of the Lodge to promote or not the EA to FC. No
learning by rote of any kind is required. We test the intelligence of the EA,
not his automatic memory.

One year often suffices, two are sometimes necessary. See what I mean?

POTS, Mike

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#: 27158 S1/Collation & Chats
    02-Dec-93  12:44:34
Sb: #27133-new way
Fm: William C. Mauk 76217,472
To: Michael Segall 100275,1313 (X)

Michael-
A very impressive list of requirements in the first degree.  This answers my
question which I sent out this morning...crossing your message as they passed
through the CIS modems!
I am pleased to learn these details.  I am also surprised to see the SR, your
number six, as a part of the first degree learning.  This type of early
introduction would be very helpful.  As an active Blue lodge member, I feel I
know nothing about the SR, which contributes to my wondering if I will someday
pursue those "other" areas of Masonry.
Bill

#: 27233 S1/Collation & Chats
    03-Dec-93  00:45:13
Sb: #27133-#new way
Fm: Alan P. Branch 72613,3142
To: Michael Segall 100275,1313 (X)

Mike,

Boy that is requiring a lot from your E.A.'s before allowing them to move to
F.C..  I'm sure that they are more informed Masons than many in the U.S.A.  How
are the regular meeting turn outs in France?

Alan

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#: 27266 S1/Collation & Chats
    03-Dec-93  07:52:40
Sb: #27233-new way
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Alan P. Branch 72613,3142 (X)

Alan,

In relatively large, old lodges, the turnout is 50 to 60%. In the younger,
smaller (or average-sized) lodges, it is 60 to 90%, three quarters of the
members on the average.
To us a lodge is large when it has 60 to 150 members. A small lodge has 25 to
40. An average lodge thus has 40 to 60 members.

Turnout hinges on many things, but the personality and qualities of the WM (and
the reputation of the lecturer for that meeting) seem to play an important
role. Note that there is a lecture at each meeting, nearly always delivered by
a Lodge member, and that these lectures are expected to be new and original.
Keeps us on our toes.

There is no Grand Lecturer or any other type of professional lecturer coming
from GL. Lodges are supposed to be perfectly self-sufficient except for
installations and general administrative matters. I happens occasionally that a
lodge, having a hole in its program, invites a Brother from another lodge to
lecture.

Regards, Mike

#: 29163 S1/Collation & Chats
    24-Dec-93  14:00:49
Sb: #Stonecutters' Marks
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: All

For your information and if you are interested in mediaeval (and earlier)
guilds, a remarkable book has just been published: It is the French translation
of a study published more than a century ago in Germany by Franz Karl August,
knight of Rziha (no spelling error; I typed it, you pronounce it <g>). Its
French name is "Etudes sur les Marques des Tailleurs de Pierre", that is
"Studies on Stonecutter's Marks".

Half of this monumental in-quarto book is made of explanations of the history,
origins and meanings of these marks. The other half is made of excellent
reproductions, classified by epoch, monument and country. It includes marks
going back to Roman and Greek antiquity, additional proof that Craft Guilds
using symbols are much older than the late Middle Ages.

Sorry, I don't think that an English translation is extant yet. A German
edition in facsimile was published in 1989 in Leipzig, by the
"Zentralantiquariat der DDR", under the original name, "Studien uber
Steinmetz-Zeichen".

In France, the book was published by Guy Tredaniel, Editeur, 76, rue
Claude-Bernard, 75005 Paris. It costs about $40. The Philalethes, in the person
of Allen Roberts, and the Victoria Lodge of Research, don't bother to order.
You will get the book as a gift from a member who prefers to remain anonymous
<g>

Regards, Mike.

#: 29370 S1/Collation & Chats
    27-Dec-93  13:14:48
Sb: New Member
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Bob Dashman 73233,1540 (X)

Bro. Bob,

There is a far more detailed and complete instruction, which simply cannot be
done in less than a year. This is what happens in my blue Lodge, which is not
exceptional:

EA-s meet once a month in informal seminars with the JW, who is responsible for
their preparation to become FC-s. The curriculum of these seminars includes
Rites and Rituals, basic interpretation of the symbols present in Lodge at the
1st Degree, the structures of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite (AASR), that
we work at the GL of France, the history of Masonry, the history of Craft
Guilds, the history of the Grand Lodge of France, rudiments of philosophy, etc.
EA-s prepare three original lectures each, on symbolic subjects given by the
JW. They read these lectures in seminar, discuss each other's lectures and
improve them as necessary. Each EA presents to the Lodge one of these lectures,
selected by the JW. The quality of the lecture and of the EA's answers to
questioning is a major element for the MM-s in deciding on whether to promote
the EA to FC.

FC-s also meet once a month in their own informal seminars with the SW,
responsible for their preparation to become MM-s. The curriculum of these
seminars includes the basic interpretation of the symbols present in Lodge at
the 2nd degree and a more in-depth study of the symbols of the 1st degree, a
more in-depth study of philosophy, the administrative structures, rules and
regulations of the GL of France, mediaeval history, etc. FC-s also must prepare
three original lectures each, on symbolic subjects given by the SW. They
discuss and improve these lectures, as necessary, in their seminars. Like the
EA-s, each FC presents to the Lodge one of these lectures, selected by the SW.
Again, the quality of the lecture and of the FC's answers to questioning
constitute major elements for the MM-s in deciding whether to raise the FC to
MM.

MM-s meet monthly, for a year, one of the older and more experienced MM-s of
the Lodge for additional study of the symbolism and history of the MM degree
and of the two preceding degrees.

All members, from EA to MM, are expected to prepare original lectures on
Masonic, historic, symbolic, philosophical, initiatic and occasionally
scientific subjects, generally suggested by the WM. There is such a lecture at
each meeting, followed by a disciplined discussion of the subject of the
lecture. Below is the program of my blue Lodge (not my Lodge of Research) for
the current year:

Oct.  1 '93: Installation of the WM and of the Officers' College.
Oct. 15 '93: Ancient Sources of the Bible, by Br. Patrick Negrier.
Oct. 22 '93: Stated Meeting in Tours with a local Lodge and
             visit with the Operatives and the Operative Museum.
Oct. 29 '93: Moses and the Five Perfect Points, by Br. Ibrahim Haddad.
Nov.  5 '93: The Prologue of the Gospel of St.John - Some Thoughts, by
             Br. Michel Leo Tenenbaum.
Nov. 19 '93: Circulating the Word in Lodge, by Br. Gerard Aubreton.
Dec.  3 '93: Modern Biology and Traditional Morals, by Br. Philippe
             Brottier.
Dec. 17 '93: Sacred Time and Space in the Ritual of the 1st Degree, in
             the light of the Myth of Progress, by Br. Pierre Torosian.
Jan.  7 '94: Communication and Symbols, by Br. Christophe de Bettignies.
Jan. 21 '94: The Sacred and the Profane, Remarks on the Thought of
             Carl Rogers, by Bro. Jean-Guy HADDAD.
Feb.  4 '94: Work, as the Fundamental Element of Masonic Symbolism
             and Tradition, by Bro. Michel Arner.
Feb. 18 '94: Regularity and Recognition, by Bro. Michael Segall.
Mar.  4 '94: Presentation of EA's lectures for promotion to FC.
Mar. 13 '94: Family visit (guided) of the Chartres Cathedral.
Mar. 18 '94: Initiation to the 1st Degree of the AASR.
Apr.  1 '94: Presentation of FC's lectures for promotion to MM.
Apr. 19 '94: A Viewpoint on the Three M-s, Myth, Mystery, Mythology
             and Mysticism, by Bro. Tiberius Futterman.
Apr. 29 '94: Passage to the 2nd Degree of the AASR.
May   6 '94: Our Brother Goethe, by Bro. Henry Chiran de Buczewski.
May  20 '94: Raising to MM.
June  3 '94: The Chivalric Initiation versus the Masonic Initiation, by Bro.
             Philip Pratz.
June 12 '94: Family visit (guided) of the Park of the Versailles Castle -
             a Symbolic Representation of the Universe.
June 19 '94: Annual Family Banquet of our Worshipful Lodge.
July  1 '94: Election/reelection of the WM and of the College of Officers.

A belated Merry Chrismas and a not too late Happy New Year, Mike.


#: 29373 S4/York Rite
    27-Dec-93  13:15:01
Sb: #29324-#Not for nonChristians?
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Marty Morse 70303,313 (X)

Bro. Marty,

Yes, in a way, to all you say. The actual ritual of the AASR (Ancient and
Accepted Scottish Rite) in blue Lodge is extremely similar to the ritual you
practice in your blue Lodge. No Mason can feel a stranger, in a blue Lodge,
anywhere in the world, whichever the rite.

Now to the differences. We have a couple fewer Officers than you have. Many
titles are different: The WM is called Venerable Master; the SW, 1st Overseer;
the JW, 2nd Overseer; the SD, Expert; the JD, Master of Ceremonies; the
Chaplain, Orator (from the latin "orare", to pray); the Inner Guard, Tyler, and
so on. We do not learn ritual by rote.

Proficiency is established by having the EA-s and FC-s being able to answer all
questions pertaining to their being recognized as such and, mainly, by having
each of them present an original symbolic lecture and defend it before the
Lodge, somehow like the thesis or dissertation one presents before getting a
university degree. At least a year each is necessary, because of the curriculum
and the thesis, to go from EA to FC and from FC to MM.

Three years are then required before going to the 4th, IF EVER. The AASR is
considered an uninterrupted ladder from the 1st to the 33rd, although the three
blue degrees and the next 30 degrees have separate and independent governing
bodies, rules and regulations, and often physical locations. What you call SR,
we call Higher Degrees of the AASR. This is the source of frequent confusion
for US Brethren. Our Higher Degrees are practically identical to your SR. No
wonder, you got them from us.

At least a year or two are required to go through each successive major degree
of the Higher Degrees (4th, 12th, 14th, 18th, 30th, 31st, 32nd and 33th), IF
EVER. Each passage demands an original lecture or dissertation on a subject
imposed by the receiving Lodge. One cannot be a candidate to the next degree.
Only someone already at the next degree can propose your promotion.

Why do I say IF EVER? Having to be proposed by someone from above, the need to
present and defend original lectures, makes that a steadily diminishing number
reaches the next degree. About 1 in 7 MM-s becomes a 4th. 1 in 50 becomes 18th.
1 in 125 becomes 30th. 1 in 200 gets to 32nd and 1 in 300 becomes 33rd. There
is no stigma attached to remaining a MM, a 4th, 18th or any other degree for
the rest of one's Masonic life. Of course, there is no Shrine, nor any other
similar body here.

This was a long one, but I hope I have usefully answered your questions. If
not, just say so.

Regards, Mike

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#: 29399 S4/York Rite
    27-Dec-93  21:16:48
Sb: #29373-#Not for nonChristians?
Fm: Marty Morse 70303,313
To: Michael Segall 100275,1313 (X)

Bro. Micheal-
Much indebted to you for the information. The differences between Masonic
systems around the world I find endlessly interesting. Is admission to the EA
degree by invitation, or must a prospective member petition the lodge for
admission?  

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#: 29452 S4/York Rite
    28-Dec-93  09:30:47
Sb: #29399-Not for nonChristians?
Fm: Michael Segall 100275,1313
To: Marty Morse 70303,313 (X)

Bro. Marty,

To become an EA, one must be presented by a MM, member of the Lodge, or from
another Lodge if absolutely necessary.

Regards, Mike

