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Psalm of the Black Sheep.... a psalm by me.

What I think about porn.

Why you should never eat dental floss....well you will just have to read it.

My Lord Has Need Of A Colt....remebering R.J. I miss you my friend.

Power....thoughts on hatred and bullies.

Fences.... change, fear and new pastures.

This Old Horse....on my aging gelding.

Breathe....savoring the good things(protected post)

Under the Shelter of His Wings....God's protection

Conversations a poem by me

Honey Bees..kind of a devotional?

Finding Her Here a poem by Jayne Relaford Brown



On Affairs and Recovery

The Affair Story...Cliff Notes version...what happened to our marriage and the reason I started writing at xanga.

Index...articles I've posted here about infidelity. Updated regularly.

Insight...what we did right, what we did wrong

Strength and Healing Blogring....we're just getting over it.

Signs of an Affair games people play.....


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Torn Asunder: Recovering From Extramarital Affairs
By Dave Carder
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A Grief Observed
By C. S. Lewis
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Words I am thinking about....
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.
Bertrand Russell


R.J.

I look upon life as a gift from God. I did nothing to earn it. Now that the time is coming to give it back, I have no right to complain.
Joyce Cary



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Thursday, December 23, 2004

Something D. and I really enjoyed....

oops...forgot to add this...for more of his paintings. http://www.addisongallery.com/browse.asp?id=117

"Contemplation" is my favorite too.

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Pino was born in Bari on November 8, 1939, he began his studies at the city’s Art Institute. In 1960 he entered Milan’s Academy of Brera where he perfected his talent and skill for painting nudes. In the two years he studied at the Academy, he came under the influence of the Pre-Raphaelites and Macchiaioli. Pino also experimented with Expressionism of the late sixties during his stay in Milan. From 1960 to 1979 his work appeared in several major exhibitions throughout Italy and Europe. At the same time, he was commissioned by Italy’s two largest publishers. Mondadori and Rizzoli, for book illustrations. However, Pino felt restricted in Milan. He wanted more artistic freedom which he believed existed in the United States.

In 1979, he emigrated to the United States under the sponsorship of Borghi Gallery where he held several shows in New York and Massachusetts. In 1980, after knocking on many doors, Zebra Books Publishers commissioned him to do his first book cover. His interpretation was new, fresh and sensual, an illustration so successful that he gained entry into creative relationships with many leading publishers of Romance novels. His popularity grew within the literary community and he became the artist-in-demand for Zebra, Bantam, Simon, and Schuster, Harlequin, Penquin USA and Dell. To date, Pino has illustrated 3,000 books; his style has dominated and influenced the market.

Although Pino devoted thirteen years to illustrating book covers, he never abandoned his desire to return to fine art. In the United States be became fascinated with the works of Soralla, Sargent, Benson and William Merrit Chase. In 1992 he contacted one of the major galleries in Scottsdale, Arizona, the May Gallery, and sent five paintings which were well received. Since then his paintings have appeared in Morris and Whiteside Gallery in Hilton Head and Stuart Johnson’s Settlers West Gallery in Tucson. Pino has been invited to make several appearances on major TV networks and has been interviewed in national and international journals. In addition, his ability to capture the movements and expressions of his subjects has brought him private commissions to do portraits. Pino resides in New Jersey with his wife, a son and a daughter.

 
"Joyous Memories"
 
"Serendipity"
 
 
"Contemplation"


Thursday, December 09, 2004

This post is something that has been on my heart for a long time. I have received so many emails about asking about what we did right, what was it that saved our marriage. So I started thinking about it and D. and I have been talking about it....what did we do right? what did we do wrong? The first thing I have to say is that what happened between D. and I was a God thing. Human beings change behaviors. God changes hearts. 

This is geared mostly toward the wounded spouse, since obviously, that is the easiest perspecitive for me. Perhaps a list from the perspective of the wayward spouse would be a nice companion list? I asked D. to think about it.

This list is NOT COMPLETE and will be my work in progress for the next few days. For those of you who have been there, please feel free to chime in and add your thoughts. If you do not want to comment here, please, please, please share your wisdom and insight..... email me.

Edit: Good points in the comments. Both spouses have to want to save the marriage, or to at least try. I think that the first days after disclosure are critical. Of course I know people who only found out about the affair when their spouse walked in and said, "I don't love you anymore, I want a divorce." No discussion, no talking. They just left and moved in with the OW.

But if you have two people at least willing to try, and let God be God. We make those choices sometimes without even knowing we are making them. AS D. likes to say....the choice controls the chooser.

Things to Do
Things Not to Do
   

Pray....

This is a huge one. I have no doubt that prayer moved mountains in our situation. Trust God, ask Him what to do about your marriage, about your pain. Read His word....He will answer you. He answers. Ask Him to reveal all things hidden, for He knows what has been kept in the darkness.

The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. James 5:16

Manipulate God.....

God if You do this, then I will do that. God cannot be bought or manipulated. Seek His will.

Angry prayers....God won't give the affair partner a case of boils. There are some wonderful smiting psalms, but remember God's justice is surer than ours. When God aims for somebody's heart, He never misses. We are only seeing our small corner of the picture while God is painting a huge canvas.

We can only expect God to asnwer prayers that Jesus Himself would have prayed.

   

Get Angry....

You have to be angry and the wayward spouse has to SEE the anger. This is a natural response to a great wound. Anger is the body's way of protecting itself. It provides the energy necessary to keep us out of the ruts. Depression is the rage turned inward. But the key is to be angry and sin not. The anger has to be expressed in a construtive, or at least non-destructive manner.

Constructive things to express anger:

  • Journal, write poetry, paint....give the pain a creative voice. (Note....journals can hurt badly if you let your spouse read raw, angry emotion. If I have the desire to let D. read my xanga, I write it and then sleep on it. If it still feels relevant in the morning, then I let him read.)
  • Sports....running, cycling, walking, hitting golf balls, shooting hoops...it expends the energy.
  • Talk. Speak specifically. "This instance...where she gave you a blow job in front of the casino. It is bothering me today." Calling him a selfish prick at the end of the sentence would fall under the "attacking" heading. Avoid that, if possible. Conflict should lead to new understanding, not tearing each other down. Call for a time out and resume the conversation when tempers are cooler.
  • Get a whiffle bat and a picture of the affair partner. Put the picture on the bed and beat the thing until you cry.
  • Cry.
  • Lock the door, pull the shades, turn the stereo up, scream, cry, rage.
  • Cry some more.
  • Repeat as necessary.

Attack and Destroy....

The wayward spouse is in fight or flight mode. They know what they did and they know just how reprehensible it was. Friends in the know will be regaling tales of how their spouse "never got over it". The affair partner, especially if it is an emotionally entangled affair will be saying the same thing. "You are going to pay for this for the rest of you life." By attacking and destroying them, it only affirms this.

Even if the wayward spouse does not stay, you still have to work through the anger. Working through means to find a way to express it, a way to accept it and a way to move on.

Destructive means to express anger:

  • Repeatedly attacking your spouse. Beating the dead horse. If they left their underwear on the floor, it dissolves into a fight about how insensitive they are, considering they left their dirty drawers on the floor and had an affair. Do not punish the wayward spouse with your anger.
  • Turn it inward. Do not resort to self-destructive behavior. This includes drinking, drug use, maxing out credit cards, over eating, not eating, cutting, suicidal thought or actions. This also includes revenge affairs. They solve nothing and these things will only create more complicated problems.
  • Attack the affair partner. Not only will the wayward spouse want to defend the affair partner, but it can also land you in legal trouble. See Stalking, Assault and Battery. Do not give them any legal leverage. If things go from bad to worse, these things could call your character into question with regards to custody and divorce settlement. Protect yourself!
   

Be sad....

You will be sad. You are grieving. You have a substantial loss, even if the marriage stays together. Give yourself time to grieve. Take care of yourself while you do. Eat right. Try to get enough sleep. Take vitamins. Drink pleanty of water. Grieving is hard work on your body.

Take the time to do something good for you. Get a new hairstyle. Dress nicely. It boosts your self esteem, it is a an easy pick me up.

Slip into depression....

Depression is seductive. It becemes a rut where you get stuck on the side of the road. Depression is where you start putting up curtains in your rut. Once you are in the rut it is hard to get out of it. Keep moving....inertia welcomes depression. Do something, do anything! Get the help of a counselor or clergy. Anti-depressants may be necessary during this time.

   

Use this as an opportunity to improve the marriage

Fix what led to the affair. Break down barriers. What have you got to lose?

Use it as a way of manipulating the wayward spouse.

Guilt trips will not help. In fact, manipulation and NOT addressing the real issues at work in the marriage may set you up for another affair down the road.

Gather a support system of friends

Rely and lean on your friends. Allow them to support you during this time. Let them help with house work and child care, since these everyday tasks can become overwelming during this time.

Gather a support system of friends

Choose your friends wisely. Ideally, choose a friend of the same sex to confide in. Recognize that you will be emotionally vulnerable and rebound affairs have been borne out of comfort between friends.

Be aware that confiding in your family (sorry mom!) might not be a wise thing. If the marriage stays together, then the family members will have a running tally of wrongs committed byt the wayward spouse. You may forgive, they may not.

Also, some friends will speak things into your mind that will inflame anger and hatred. There will be enough of that without adding fuel to the fire.

Be relentless, be vigilent....

BEWARE....the affair partner is like a drug. One online psychologist says that after disclosure he tells his patients to take a three week vacation, somewhere far away, somewhere where the wayward spouse cannot easily contact the partner. No phones, no computer access. It takes a minimum of three weeks of zero contact to get through the worst of withdrawals. For, there will be withdrawals. The chemicals of "being in love" are stong. Being involved in an illicit affair also has a component of excitment not present in a regular relationshsip. There is always the possiblity of getting caught. They become used to the "high" and many (my husband included) become adrenalin junkies. Any contact with the affair partner during this time must be avoided if the marriage is to have any chance.

Once the affair is ended it may take at least a year for the effects of the "drug" to wear off. Watch out! Multiple d-days are common!

D. says this is one thing I did really right. I never stopped demanding accountability, even when he hated my "invading his privacy". It is what showed him that I was willing to be bold and to fight for my marriage, for him, for us. We argued about this many times, but ultimately the accoutability is what rebuilds trust. If I check up on him at the golf course and he is really there, then it is proof positive that he is telling the truth. If his phone records show not a single call to her area code...again...it is concrete proof in my mind that he is trustworthy.

Don't drive yourself crazy....

I know you will. I did. Ask questions, find the truth, but remember the answers will hurt and the images in your mind will never go away. (Though they do lesson in intensity in time. I promise.)

   

Trust

God.....
A sparrow does not fall from the sky that He is not aware of its descent. He knows. He is aware. He saves your tears in His flask. He will not let you fall.

Your intuition....If your gut tells you something is amiss, that is a pretty fair indicator that something is. Follow your instincts.Ask God to confirm them. That is one prayer He answered regularly for me.

Your spouse....If they are making a good faith effort to be trustworthy, extend your trust. Remember the courage it took to admit the affair and accept the consequences. There is incredible bravery in doing that.

Do not trust

The Affair Partner........This is obvious. I had to learn this the hard way. They will lie to you. They will say things to intentionally wound you. Handle them as if you had just found a water moccasin in your toilet. They can also give you information. But remember...water moccasin in the toilet. Handle with extreme caution.

   

Own your responsibility in what went wrong with the marriage

Marriages derail for a variety of reasons and it is almost never solely the blame of one party. Something went wrong that set the dominoes tumbling that made the affair not a possiblity but an inevitability. Both parties have to be willing to take their share of the responsiblity and do what they can to improve it. There can be no martyrdom or victim-playing. By assuming the role of the victim, it assumes that you are powerless. You are not powerless. Refuse to be powerless.

It cannot be a trump card pulled out to win an arguement if reconcilataion is to happen. That is toxic to a marriage.

Part of the "getting through" is discovering the message of the affair. Every affair has a message, a story that tells what went wrong with the marriage and the part each spouse played in it. If a couple is willing to examine it, and thereby examine themselves and their marriage, then the marraige can emerge stronger and intact. This is not an easy task, but well worth it. Marriages are worth saving (I hate divorce.Malachi 2:16) and divorce is not the automatic assumption for most people whose marriage is touched by adultery. But you have to be willing to examine yourself and see what is yours in the mess.

(Our message is in our "story". It took writing it out for me to see it and almost two years worth of talking, so far. It has been worth it.)

Compare youself to the affair partner

In Torn Asunder, the author relates how in his early days of counseling practice he would insist that all three parites .... the married couple and the affair partner come in for couseling. He said inevitabley when he would see the affair partner his reaction would be, "Wow. If I was going to have an affair, it would not be with this person!" It was funny, our marriage couselor said the same thing.

Statistically, the affair partner is about as attractive or less attractive than the spouse.

The affair partner is more likened to a feeble attempt at an antidepressant.

The affair and the choice of the affair partner really is not about you at all. It is more about something within the psychological make up of the wayward spouse, something that was present before you even met them. The affair partner is not there because they were "destined" to be together, the affair partner is just the person who happened to be there at the time. If it was not that person, it would have been somebody else.

The affair is more about the fantasy and the role the affair partner palys in that fantasy.

We try to assume some control of our situation by self-blame or self loathing. This is a fallacy. (I have to tell myself this over and over again. One day I might believe it.)

Talk to others who have been there.

It helps to know that people can survive this and emerge stronger people.

Do not take on other's pain

Other people's stories can also become a trigger and their anger and hurt can fuel your own. Know your limits.

   

Love each other

Romance each other. Love your spouse. They have to know that they have not totally destroyed you. They have to know that you are still willing to love them despite all the ugliness of the affair. Feel. Work through.

Forgive.

Do not go into automatic forgiveness mode to save the marriage

You have to work through all of the garbage. You have to. There are no quick fixes. There are no short cuts. By automatically forgiving the spouse and sweeping it under the rug (ok, we're done with that, let's move on.) the emotions are still there, sequestered somewhere, stewing. This fake forgiveness will ultimately be just as toxic to the marriage as the affair itself.

Forgiveness is a journey. We make the first step in faith. We keep walking in faith even when we are tired and the destination seems elusive. Forgiveness is a God thing. One day we arrive.


Tuesday, December 07, 2004

The affair story...Cliff Notes version.

The long version...with all the raw emotion (and foul language....I was an angry woman) is contained in the early posts here on xanga. I began writing as a means of expressing the anger and the hurt. It is protected, due to the nature of this story, but if you would like to read it ask me to be on the protected list.

D. and I have been married 17 years, together for 19. We have four children.

The affair began after a series of life changing events.... D. was fired from a job he loved, financial ruin followed, our DD was molested, pregnancy losses and infertility.... a bunch of stuff.

The affair started when he had known "Jackie" all of two weeks.  She was a coworker. She is a waitress, 15 years his junior, currently in her 3rd marriage. He tried to end it when I became pregnant with our fourth child, then she turned up pregnant too, only to miscarry. It is my suspicion that she never was really pregnant and it was a manipulation to keep the affair going.

The affair continued.

He cofinded about the affair to our pastor (also his best friend) who told him to END IT. He did not, but continued to speak to his friend about it.

The affair continued and deepened in emotional intensity. In the meantime, I went into preterm labor and was on bed-rest/hospitalized for the remainder of my pregnancy, completely unaware of the affair, but knowing something was not right with our marriage..

Our first d-day (disclosure) was two weeks before the birth of our child in Feb. of 2003. I found gifts from her that he had hidden in his car and her makeup in his car. I confronted him and he admitted to the affair.

It stayed ended for a short time, but resumed as these things often do.  She was very aggressive in pursuing him...almost stalking him, always free for no string attached booty calls. She was very aggressive sexually. He was convinced that he was in love with her.

He quit his job becasue he knew that if our marriage was to have any chance, she had to be out of his life completely. He started a new line of work. She persisted....she came to our house and hid a love letter in the big tree in the front yard. The affair resumed.

D-day number 2 was in June 2003...cell phone records revealed that there was still contact. Even though he told her that it was over, she continued the stalking type behavior...calling his cell phone 96 times in two days (he refused to answer it) calling at his place of employment, etc.

It stayed ended for about 2 weeks, then resumed again. One sexual encounter (to the best of my knowledge)  but daily contact through phone calls and occassional lunch meetings at the restaurant where she worked...but she was on the clock, so sex wasn't possible.

 I found out again by cell phone records. He ended it.

Again.

She kept calling.

Again.

We got a temporary restraining order. The calls stopped. I was about to lose my mind at this point. I have never hurt so badly. It is only the grace of God that got me through those days.

When we appeared in court, the restraining order was not granted due to the fact that the contact up until that point was consentual, but the judge said that if she made any further attempts to contact him, it would be granted with no further hearing on the matter.

To the best of my knowledge, there has been no further contact between D. and Jackie.

We are reconciling and God is restoring our marriage. 

 

"Forgiveness is a rebirth of hope, a reorganization of thought, and a reconstruction of dreams. Once forgiving begins, dreams can be rebuilt. When forgiving is complete, meaning has been extracted from the worst of experiences and used to create a new set of moral rules and a new interpretation of life's events." -Beverly Flanigan

 


Friday, December 03, 2004

Psalm 23


A psalm of David.

1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he restores my soul.
He guides me in paths of righteousness
for his name's sake.
4 Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death, [1]
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.

5 You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD
forever.


Wednesday, December 01, 2004

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