eTnopolitika sruliad saqarTvelosaTvis

gazeT `jorjian Taimsis~ korespondents esaubreba Jurnali `eTnopolitikis~ mTavari redaqtori iulon toliaSvili.

- batono iulon, Tqven xarT Jurnal `eTnopolitikis` gamomcemeli da redaqtori, `geopolitikuri modelirebis centris~ wevri. gviTxariT, ras Seiswavlis eTnopolitika da ras emsaxureba igi?

- erovnebaTSorisi urTierTobani mravalmxrivi kvlevis sagania. mecnierebaze politikuri zemoqmedebis gamo, igi calmxrivad, marqsistul-leninuri poziciebidan Seiswavleboda. amanac Seuwyo xeli sabWoTa xelisuflebis dangrevisTanave uamravi eTnokonfliqturi keris aRmocenebas, dRis wesrigSi daisva eTnosTa damokidebulebis siRrmiseuli kvlevis auciloblobis sakiTxi. am kvlevaSi CaerTvnen politologebi, politikosebi, filosofosebi, eTnografebi, fsiqologebi... maT, erTgvarad, aerTianebs eTnopolitika. igi emsaxureba eTnosTa, eTnikuri jgufebis urTierTobis mowesrigebas, politikur sazogadoebaSi konfliqtebis pervencias da aRkveTas.

- ra miznebi aqvs Tqvens Jurnals?

- Cveni Jurnalis mizania im mecnieruli, Teoriuli naazrevis akumulacia, rac saqarTveloSi iqmneba eTnikuri urTierTobebis formebis daxvewis, dadebiTi tradiciebis dacvisa da gamravlebisaTvis. politologiis, filosofiis, fsiqologiis, eTnologiisa da istoriis institutebSi iwereba metad faseuli Sromebi, rasac dRis sinaTle, dainteresebul mkiTxvelamde da, mainc, upirvelesad, xelisuflebamde mitana sWirdeba, Tundac rekomendaciebis saxiT. Jurnal `eTnopolitikis~ dafuZnebidan gavlilma samma welwadma dagvarwmuna, rom aseTi gamocema sWirdeba iseT mravalerovan qveyanas, rogoric saqarTveloa. mokrZalebuli tiraJisa da gverdebis raodenobis miuxedavad, Jurnali cdilobs gaamarTlos daniSnuleba. misi saredaqcio kolegiis wevrebi da avtorebi arian iseTi cnobili mecnierebi, rogorebic SoTa nadiraSvili, vaJa keSelava, jimi jaRiaSvili da sxvebi arian. gamoqveynebuli statiebis siRrmisa da masStaburobis gamo Jurnali gamoiweres ara marto Cvens qveyanaSi, aramed evropisa da amerikis konfliqtologiis centrebSi.

- saqarTvelo yovelTvis iyo kavkasiis mSvidobianobis garanti. kavkasieli xalxebis keTildReobis, Tavisuflebisa da ganviTarebis safuZveli yovelTvis iyo Zlieri sqarTuli saxelmwifo, am mxriv ra perspeqtivebi aqvs saqarTvelos kavkasiaSi, rogorc kavkasiis teritoriis guls? anu kavkasiel xalxebs surT Tu ara mSvidobiani, erTiani regionis Semadgenel nawilebad cxovreba da ramdenadaa es damokidebuli Cvens samSobloze?

- marTlac, kavkasieli xalxebis mSvidobianobisa da Tavisuflebis, maTi keTildReobis garanti yovelTvis iyo Zlieri qarTuli saxelmwifo. dinastiuri qorwinebani, mudmivi ekonomikuri da politikuri TanamSromloba, kulturuli memkvidreobis gacvla da gafarToeba sul ufro aaxloebdnen am xalxebs, magram movida kavkasiaSi rusuli imperializmi da yvelafers moundoma gacamtvereba, sakuTari Ceqmis samsaxurSi Cayeneba. jer carizmma, Semdeg bolSevizmma yvelaferi gaakeTes qarTuli

saxelmwifoebriobis dangrevisa da kavkasiaSi qarTuli fenomenis waSlisaTvis. Sedegic saxezea denTis kasrze mjdari kavkasia, romlis afeTqeba, TviT ruseTis daSla da dangrevac iqneba.

samwuxaroa, rom saukuneebis winaT ruseTis mier dawyebul kavkasiis daSlis politikas `warmatebiT` ganagrZobs elcin-putinis xelisufleba, igi realurad ar afasebs kavkasiaSi mimdinare procesebs, masSi adanaSaulebs saqarTvelos, romlis xelisuflebasac, Tavis mxriv, jerjerobiT ar gaaCnia am procesebis gaTvaliswinebis, saerTod, kavkasiur eTnosebTan urTierTobis mwyobri programa.

- sWirdeba Tu ara msoflio globalur politikas kavkasiis, rogorc erTiani regionis arseboba?

- sWirdeba da Tanac, Zalian, rameTu am regionSi Tavmoyrilma religiur-ekonomikurma gasayarma, SesaZlebelia, seriozuli problemebi Seuqmnas msoflio civilizacias da, RmerTma nu qnas, da aq danTebulma eTnonaperwkalma, mosalodnelia, iseTi cecxli aagizgizos, balkaneTs rom didi xniT daaviwyebs msoflios, xolo konfliqtSi ruseTis, TurqeTisa da arabuli samyaros CarTvam morigi msoflio omi gamoiwvios.

- Tqveni azriT, ara marto samxedro-politikuri, geopolitikuri, strategiuli, aramed ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiTac, ra perspeqtivebi aqvs kavkasiis erTian savaWro-ekonomikur zonas, ra roli daekisreba mas?

- kavkasia ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT ipyrobs, albaT, upirvelesad, im super-saxelmwifoebis yuradRebas, visi meoxebiTac iqmneba strategiuli geopolitikuri modeli Cvens planetaze. aq aris navTobis didi maragi, sxva umniSvnelovanesi wiaRiseuli, sasmeli wyali. aq daabandes sakuTari kapitalis didi nawili uZlieresma kompaniebma. marto baqo-jeihanis navTobsadeni da Saxdenizis gazis tranziti, TiTqmis mTlianad cvlis kavkasiisadmi damokidebulebis aspeqtebs. msoflio geopolitikaSi, uaxloes aTwleulSive, mosalodnelia kavkasiis rolis mkveTri zrda, rasac saqarTvelos xelisufleba mudmivad unda uwevdes angariSs.

- yvelaze metad saqarTvelos megobari qveynebidan, romeli qveyanaa dainteresebuli Zlieri saqarTvelosa da mSvidobiani kavkasiis regionis SeqmniT?

- megobari qveynebi, marTlac, bevrs akeTeben Cveni qveynis ekonomikuri da samxedro-strategiuli ganviTarebisaTvis. amasTan, frTxil damokidebulebas iCenen ruseTis gavlenis sferoebTan mimarTebaSi, sadac dRemde kavkasia da, Sesabamisad, saqarTvelo moiazreba, xolo Cvens Crdiloel mezobels sxva alternativa verc warmoudgenia. aseTi damokidebulebis Sedegia TiTqmis araviTari progresi qarTul-afxazuri, qarTul-osur dialogSi, saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis gzaze.

- rogoria aSS-is saqarTvelosadmi samxedro daxmarebis roli kavkasiaSi mSvidobianobis damyarebis saqmeSi?

- erTaderTi, albaT, aris amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi, vinc SedarebiT kategoriulobiT upirispirdeba ruseTis hegemonias kavkasiaSi. amis dasturia mis mier Cveni qveynisaTvis gaweuli samxedro-ekonomikuri daxmarebis masStabebi, saCuqrad gadmocemuli SeiaraReba, sanapiro dacvis xomaldebi, vertmfrenebi, maT mier momzadebuli komandos-batalionebi. yovelive es, saboloo jamSi, regionSi zrdis saqarTvelos avtoritets, xels uwyobs mSvidobianobis ganmtkicebas.

- ra roli eqneba kavkasiaSi qarTul-kavkasiur tradiciebs, erovnulobas?

- qarTul-kavkasiuri tradiciebi ise mWidrodaa gadajaWvuli erTmaneTSi, rom mravalsaukunovanma rusulma eqspansiam, veraferi daaklo. es tradiciebi, marTalia, Semcirebuli doziT, magram mainc grZeldeba dRemde saxalxo diplomatiis, saqmiani Sexvedrebisa Tu stiqiuri, araorganizebuli biznesis saxiT. am tradiciebs meti warmoCena da mxardaWera sWirdeba saxelisuflo doneze. es iqneba warmomadgenlobis gaxsna CrdiloeT kavkasiis respublokebis administraciul cetrSi, kavkasiuri jgufebis Camoyalibeba saqarTvelos umaRles saswavleblebSi, sadac amis SesaniSnavi gamocdileba aqvT, samxatvro gamofenebis mowyoba, Sesabamisi literaturis gamocema da a.S.

- batono iulon, viciT, rom Jurnali `eTnopolitika~ ramdenime Tvea ar gamosula, ra mizeziT?

- Jurnalis yvela nomeri Cemi isedac mcire xelfasis danazogebiT daibeWda. umZimes avtoavariaSi moxvedris Semdeg, finansurad misi gamocemis uzrunvelyofa veRar SevZeli. calkeul politikosTa mxridan ramdenime dapirebis miuxedavad, sponsoric ar gamoCnda, arada saredaqcio saqaRaldeSi mravali iseTi statia dagvigrovda, romelic mouTmenlad elodeba dRis sinaTles. aris satelefono zarebi. Jurnals elodebian rogorc CvenSi, ise sazRvargareT. gamocemis ganaxlebas da rusul dubliaJs gvTxovs saqarTvelos araqarTulenovani mosaxleoba. Cveni ocnebis zonas scildeba `eTnopolitkis~ sabiujeto dafinanseba. amisTvis mas, zogierTi Jurnal-gazeTis msgavsad, parlametSi Zlieri lobi, `patroni sWirdeba~. arada, yvelas miaCnia, rom Cvens qveyanas, Cvens sazogadoebas iseTi Jurnali, rogorc Cvenia, aucileblad sWirdeba.

- ra azrisa xarT erovnuli ideologiis Seqmnis Sesaxeb da ras usurvebdiT `j.T.~-s ideologiur damatebas `sruliad saqarTvelos~?

- erovnuli ideologiis Seqmna rom sisxlxorceulad saWiroa, es bolo aTwleulmac dagvanaxa. Cvens irgvliv mcxovreb yvela xalxs aqvs mizani: ra undaT da rogor unda miaRwion mas, rogor ganaviTaron sakuTari saxelmwifoebrioba, daicvan erovnuli interesebi. Cven, yovelive es, faqtobrivad, dasabuTebuli da myari ar gagvaCnia. erTaderTi `davibrunoT afxazeTi!~ ar unda niSnavdes mTel ideologias. vTqvaT, davibruneT da davibrunebT kidec, Semdeg ra unda gavakeToT? rogor vicxovroT im xalxTan, vinc sxvisi karnaxiT, iaraRi mogviRera, Cveni Tanamemamuleebis sisxli daRvara? saWiroa imis Rrma analizi, Tu ratom moxda es dapirispireba, mxolod mesame Zalaa amaSi damnaSave Tu Cveni ambiciuroba da eTnikuri urTierTobebisadmi zedapiruli midgoma?

sasiamovnoa, rom iseTi avtoritetuli, erovnuli da daxvewili gamocema, rogoricaa `jorjian Taimsi~, aseT yuradRebas uTmobs problemebs, zemoT rom gvqonda saubari. amis dasturia misi CanarTi `sruliad saqarTvelos~, romlis yoveli nomeri Seunelebeli interesiT ikiTxeba.

esaubra nato giorgaZe,

gazeTi `jorjian Taimsi~, #39, 2003w.