| From: Azmi Mohammed Nor To: faruh rehan" Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 1:01 AM Subject: Sejalur Pengalaman Assalamu'alaikum, Sdr Faruh Rehan, Saya mengucapkan tahniah di atas minat sdr mendalami perbandingan agama Islam-Kristian. Saya ingin mengsyorkan agar sdr memiliki buku "Izhar-ul-Haq" yang boleh didapati, InsyaAllah, di Saba Islamic Media. It consists of 4 volumes. Juga dapatkan buku "The Myth of the Cross" by Al-Haj Ajijola (kedai buku di Suria KLCC, tingkat 3). Saya tertarik dengan perbincangan sdr dengan an American berkaitan persoalan Judas dan pensaliban Nabi Isa a.s. Saya juga pernah menggunakan hujah yang lebih kurang sama. Saya akan menggunakan hujah seperti di bawah: Is it true that the crucifixion of Jesus is very central to the christian faith? Saya mengharapkan si kristian akan menjawab: "yes." Jika dia menjawab sebaliknya, saya akan memaksa dia menjawab "yes" dengan mengemukakan the following Biblical verses: Paul says: Had Jesus not been raised from death, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain (Cronothian ??). Semestinya dia menjawab "yes." If that is the case, then would you agree that had the Jews not killed him, "your faith would be in vain"? Saya percaya dia akan menjawab"yes." Then, why did Jesus say: "Father, *forgive* them, for they do not know what they are doing" (Mark??) The word "forgive" indicates that the act is wrong or even sinful. Maaf kerana buku2 rujukan saya termasuk Bible (NRSV and the Original New Testament) berada di Malaysia. Jadi saya tak ingat verse yg mana dan dari buku (Mark, Matthew, Lucas, John) yg mana. Perbincangan tentang trinity: Saya suka menggunakan John 17:3 untuk membuktikan bahawa Jesus sendiri mengakui bahawa hanya the Father sebagai the Only God: And this is eternal life that they may know you [the Father]* the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. *Jesus was praying to the Father [John 17:1]. Saya akan kemukakan soalan secara begini: Do you agree that the the phrase "the Only true God" refers to the object pronoun "you"? Saya percaya dia agree. Then, do you agree that the object pronoun "you" refers to the Father? Saya percaya dia agree (saya tidak akan menulis bagaimana jika mereka tidak "agree" untuk tidak memanjangkan cerita; pengalaman saya setakat ini mereka agree). Thus, Only the Father is the only true God. Saya akan menyuruh dia menyangkal hujah saya dgn memancing John 10:30 "My father and I are one" Perangkap saya kena setelah saya ajukan umpan beberapa kali agar menggunakan John 10:30 iaitu he will rebut my argument by saying,"since Jesus is one with the Father, he is therefore included in the object pronounce "you", hence in the phrase "the Only true God." If that is the case, then I demand you to show me a biblical verse in which the Holy Ghost says,"My Father and I are one" (Holy Ghost nie apa perkaitannya dg the Father; takkan anak). The best answer yang dia berikan "the Bible doesn'tsay all that we want." Kiranya kepercayaan dia tuhanya rekaan. Tuhan Masuk Tandas (Na'uzubillah) Saya ringkaskan hujah saya: Saya tanya samada dia percaya Jesus lapar dan makan (saya sedia dgn biblical verses jika dia nak menafikannya) Bila dia kata "ya," saya tanyakaan pula samada dia percaya setelah makan tentunya Jesus juga perlu pergi ke tandas (isn't he "Fully human"?). Dia jawab "ya." Kalau begitu, since you claim that Jesus is fully God and Fully human, when he went into a toilet, it means that God also went into a toilet. Dia menjawab, "you are wrong because he is God." Itu saja? Yealah sebab awk dakwa dia God dan awak ngaku dia masuk tandas, jadi awak percaya tuhan masuk tandas. Ada rakan saya berbangsa Filipina percaya Jesus berada dlm dirinya, saya menggunakan hujah yg sama,"so, when you go into a toilet, Jesus whom you consider God also enters the toilet." Dia terdiam-kelu. Azmi Manchester |