Mommyfried's Caching Blog

Entry for September 25, 2006

Well folks I guess it starts again. Not even 24 hours after Kashiree posted a beautiful tribute cache to an obviously dear friend she goes at it again. First she feels it is necessary to defend Banshee's claim to the DeLorme challenge. I haven't looked or researched the caches that she used to make this claim (nor will I ever probably) further more I know that John52 is a nice guy. Of course he is going to allow Banshee to claim it with her family. Frankly the fact the Q's have worked hard as a team to claim this cache is great for them. I don't doubt that as a team they could claim the cache. That is not what matters to me. The fact that Kashiree is bringing up the keenpeople stat thing again I feel is only her way of defending her game play that the numbers are what matters. She will defend her lies until her last breath. I have said it before and I will say it again Kashiree's favorite weapon of choice is the aninimity of the web. Like " I HAVE THE PROOF OF IT" well show the proof! Instead of just saying it. Through my experience her "proof" is often times things that she has misunderstood or taken out of context. Then she concludes her newest rant with "ALL ON RON'S SIDE FROM ME YOU ALL CAN FOESADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Personally I don't know what was communicated between Kashiree and Nightcrawler but I would take his side first especially given the multiple examples she has set. Just incase anyone doesn't know what FOESADA means it is fu** off and eat shi* and die (again). Isn't this a lovely sentiment to leave on your profile page. I also have left attached the letter from GAGA that she so proudly has posted on her profile. Mostlyto show the way she has gained thier support by making them believe that it is only the "numbers" that have made her feel so rejected.The part that saddens me is that she has manipulated the cachers in GAGA. They have only seen one side of the issue as with most cachers. If it is this blog, the shout box on keenpeople, or private emails. They really haven't been able to see the threats because so many of them were posted then deleted or sent in private emails. Maybe someday one of them might see this blog, read it, and realize that there is definatly more than meets the eye with this. Well it is late and I am really past my bedtime so this will be all for now. Goodnight friends,
Mommyfried

Below is the post from Kashiree's profile page on 09/25/06
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1st OKLHOMA CACHERS TO FINISH THE OKLAHOMA DeLORME CHALLENGE WHERE THE 3 Q'S KASHIREE Q, MAXWELL Q, AND MY DAUGHTER BANSHEE Q. SORRY RON SHE GOT TO CLAIM IT AND IT WAS OK'D BY JOHN52 HER NAME IS IN THE OFFICIAL LOGBOOK FOR THIS CHALLANGE SO YOU CAN'T RUIN THAT FOR ME. I SAID I WAS SORRY AND YOU STARTED IT UP AGAIN AND I HAVE THE PROOF OF IT.
THE 3 Q'S ARE ALSO PROUD MEMBERS OF GAGA!!!!!! IT IS NOT EVERY CACHER HERE IN OKLAHOMA THAT AGREES WITH WHAT OKLAHOMA MODERATOR ON KEEN PEOPLE HAS BEEN DOING TO OUR FAMILY!!!! READ BELOW AND SEE WHAT OUR FELLOW EXTENDED FAMILY HAS SAID TO ALL ON RON'S SIDE FROM ME YOU ALL CAN FOESADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You know ya’ll, the more I read the forums on Keen People, the more pissed off I got. The fact that your daughter can’t log her own caches or stats on Keen People really nit-picking in my opinion. I know of some people that log caches and add them to the stats pages for their pets. The only reason that they are not ostracized is because no one knows (or cares for that matter). If it keeps you up at night that there is a 22 month old girl ahead of you on Keen People stats, you need to find a more challenging career or some different hobby. This is a family hobby for ya’ll and she is part of that family. As with many things that start out fun and enjoyable, there are always some people that take it to the extreme and get nasty. I read over and over where Mark said “Why take it to the net? You have my phone and email address.” Good for you Mark. Maybe I didn’t get the whole story from the jabber on Keen People, but it seems that some people have a personal grudge against ya’ll. As a good Texan all I can say is “That’s bullshit.” Plain and simple.

We may be really laid back down here in GAGA, but I can promise you that our group members would not tolerate anyone in our group blasting another member (ESPECIALLY A CHILD AND HER MOTHER!!!) in public like that. It would make us all look petty and inconsiderate. If we had a problem, we’d speak to the person(s) directly. We applaud you for involving your little one in Geocaching. Growing up with these experiences can only help her with learning about different places and nature as well as technology and an attention for detail. Not to mention, the benefits of taking your children Geocaching and spending time together as a family. That doesn’t happen nearly enough these days no matter what age the child is.

So, enough for my rambling (my apologies, more seems to keep coming to mind as I get more and more agitated). After speaking with a good number of our members, to show our groups support, we would like to ask ya’ll for Banshee Q’s information so as to add her as a single, full-fledged, member of the Greater Abilene Geocachers Association. If anyone has a problem with that, they can feel free to contact me directly. We would be honored to show/explain to them what “Geocaching with a West Texas Style” really means.

Again, thanks for coming down & we’re happy to host ya’ll as cachers.

Steve

Steve & Trish DeFau
a.k.a. the3defaus
(visit link)

Webmasters for GAGA

Greater Abilene Geocachers Association (visit link)

“Happy Cows Make Little Cows”

2006-09-26 04:53:48 GMT

Comments (8 total)

Author:Anonymous

Kim,

You are totally wrong on what FOESADA means. I will not post what it mean. If you want to know, you may call me.

Mark

2006-09-30 02:54:44 GMT

Author:Anonymous

Kim,

Here is a forwarded E-mail that proves that some Okie cachers have a grudge against her. Her log was deleted from this TB that Todd put in 5 Mile. We have spoken to the TB owner and he allowed her to re-log the TB. The TB is currently in the hands of Geofoxy.

Mark
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GEO] L&J hotwheels contacting DoctorRAM from Geocaching.com
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 11:22:10 -0700

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I saw the log for your friend, MOTOGRRL GEOCOIN MEMORIAL TB. The coin
is in OK> Problem is there is a cacher here, Kashiree Q, that checks
logs and claims she "discovered" TB's. The tracking # is on the TB
page. She has done this to many other cachers. It's not fair, especially
for this special coin. She should not claim this as a discovery.
Maybe you should take the tracking number off. This person is OK's
problem, but maybe someday she will understand the real concept of caching.

User's Profile:
http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=fcf534d0-8777-4053-a14c-1dbaa7c39d58

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2006-09-30 03:13:11 GMT

Author:Anonymous

Copied from Maxwell Q's profile on Keen People:

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Oklahoma Moderator sucks shit!!!

Kashiree Q, Banshee Q, Agent Okie, Bilgeratt, Joe Hank, Kfishok, D-cachers, Worfpack, Fish&hunt.......
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Copied from Kashiree Q's profile on Keen People:

UPDATE FOR 9-19-06 ON MY GC ACCOUNT PLEASE GO AND READ IT!!!!
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OKLAHOMA'S MODERATOR SUCKS!!!!
NIGHTCRAWLER FOESAD!!!!!!!!
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This is the mentality of these two. I'm surprised they aren't using the kid's profile for the same purpose.

2006-10-01 12:27:12 GMT

Author:Anonymous

I just want to ask the Q's one thing....how old are you all? All this FOESADA and throwing tatrums online remind me of being back in junior high school. For someone who is in their thirties and a mother on top of that needs to be more mature. And someone who is employed by the government that is acting that way just frightens me. It is okay to live life and to have fun but you do have certain responsabilities and the fact that you are not a kid anymore, you need to live up to it. Please grow up in that fact. No one hates you or is against your family, they do not like how you handle things. The fact that you all have told GAGA your side of the story and they haven't heard from the other side also frightens me in how old you all act. In my life, I am not putting up with people like that. I have best wishes for the Q's but I can't wait tell they leave and I can once again start to enjoy geocaching!

2006-10-03 02:23:23 GMT

Author:Anonymous

Spearfox recieved an email from Mark about FOESADA. So an update to the definition (as if this is a big difference) Fu** Off Eat Sh** and die A**hole. OOOOO big difference. The sentiment is still the same and still just as juvenile.
--Mommyfried

2006-10-03 03:41:58 GMT

Author:Anonymous

I have to ask that after reading Brandi's profile, I want to know how is she allowed to say all of that on the page without getting in trouble? It is amazing that so much venom can be spewed by her that one thinks that she must be 12 years old. I am not meaning to blast anyone but it is so apparent that there is some issues to be solved on her behalf, and they might just be mental. I have come to the conclusion that the only thing that matters to them are the numbers, and that years of caching , the quality of the hides, the ability to make friends doesn't interest them at all. I was talking to a cacher that is well known in the state about this very subject and he told me a story of how a certain Q said something to him about how he still respects him even though this Q has higher numbers in finds then him. So in my thinking it is to believed to mean that anyone who doesn't have as many caches found are not good cachers. That is just unbelievable from someone who is old enough to be mature.

I do believe that no one hates them, I believe cachers are upset on how they do things, i.e. breaking rules for themselves, logs on other cachers pages that seethe with anger, trying to be in the center of the spotlight for all to acknowledge that they are the best cachers in the universe. It all reminds me of when you are a child in school and you want to be noticed.

I am also upset about this Texas Group that took their side without checking all of the facts on the other side of the coin. I would like to see them contact cachers here in Oklahoma that know the Q's and who might be invovled and let them tell their side. Let all the facts be revealled on a round table of sorts.

I also would like to know if they are not in it for the numbers, why are they hiding caches when they know that they will be leaving? Who is going to take them over ? That is just no regards to the state of caching and is just for their own amusement so once they get to Florida, they can tell everyone there that they were the top dogs in caching in Oklahoma. I would just recommend that we all ignore their caches and their ramblings and there breaking the rules for there own acheivement and rejoice when they are gone and Oklahoma can return to the terrific caching we have! I love the blog by the way, it is great!

--Reviewer in Training

2006-10-04 21:22:53 GMT

Author:Anonymous

I used to have the mindset that a smiley is a smiley no matter who placed the cache. About a month ago I started filtering all their caches out of GSAK. Since then I've heard that I'm second on the list of supposed cache thieves. I for one wouldn't want my caches desecrated in such a fashion. Therefore I wouldn't think of doing it myself.

I've been accused of "sucking shit" and I've seen the FOESADA silliness tied with my name quite often recently. Why? Because once someone asked me a question about Brandi. Because Brandi shared the information with me, I passed it on.

Here recently it's been because I reset the stats on Keen People for Banshee Q. Why would I do such a thing? Here it is:

Stat Rules/Policies

Entering Stats
You agree that you will enter only accurate stats to the best of your knowledge. These should be easily verified by any moderator or admin by referencing your sources of such stats. You agree that you will enter stats only for yourself. This means you can not enter stats for anyone else or another person, animal, or thing.

(That was cut and pasted from Keenpeople.com)

Please note the portion that states: "You agree that you will enter stats only for yourself. This means you can not enter stats for anyone else or another person, animal, or thing."

I think we can all agree that, due to the rules set forth regarding stats, that entering stats for someone else is not allowed. That's why I reset them. Plain and simple. As far as I'm concerned if my son, Cody618, or Darkmoon himself did the same thing, I would reset those accounts too. Fortunately my son has a high moral standard and wouldn't do something like that, and Darkmoon, well, he's just Darkmoon... :P

This issue has also been brought to the attention of the owner/administrator of Keen People. The following is a quote from an email from him:

"Realistically speaking the stats are supposed to put you in competition with other cachers, not a kid who tagged along with mom or dad. While this rule wont please everyone, I stand behind it and the deletion of the stats."

I just felt I should share these facts. I generally ignore, or keep quiet, when accusations are being made. But I've decided that enough is enough and I should say my piece.

The one thing that really saddens me is the fact that, even though I've received almost a hundred emails supporting my actions in the last 7 months, not many of you have the face to stand for what you feel is right. Why have so many Oklahoman Cachers sat back and let me, Mommyfried, Spearfox, Palladin and Icarii take all the heat for it, when so many of you emailed me and said your right?

By the way Mark, you still have first place for the most original name anyone's ever called me. "Butt Snorkeler" still makes me laugh when I think of it. Being told I suck shit? Naa, so un-original it's lame...
--Nightcrawler. (Ron)
<mailto:[email protected]>

2006-10-04 22:14:22 GMT

Author:Anonymous

I am not afraid to step up and sign my name to this. I have tried to stay out of the mix and tried to maintain a professional type calm when dealing with people but I just can't any more. I have nothing against the Q's, I would never steal a cache or jeopardize a cache of someone, and above all I try to play by the rules that are set by the game. After being told that rules are meant to be broken and the fact that they did that to one of my caches that kept other people from finding my cache, after maintaining a reasonable amount of decor when I was told that even though I was furious inside, I cannot take it any longer. Two grown adults who act like children have spoiled and ruined this game that I love and put so much into. To be insulted because I am not respected because they have more numbers than me show a clear indication what type of people we are dealing with. I left that mentality back in junior high and actually grew up. Mark that is fine if that is how you want to play but do not belittle us others who play differntly. My biggest joy in caching is going out with friends and having a good time looking for the caches, and of course all the other things we seem to get ourselves into during the course of logging smileys. Ask anyone who has gone caching with me and I will show you someone who will be smiling from ear to ear! Numbers alone do not make a good cacher in my book.

And you both are the ones who call everyone names, once again a sign of true maturity. It is amazing how once the mind is set that there is no way that one will listen to reason. I have dealt with that thru patients of alcholoism and drug abuse. I am also amazed at how back stabbing you two are while smiling on the outside, while complaining of people doing that to you.

It boils down to this, You are responsible for yourself, no one else is and no amount of excuses why can make up. It is done and now it is time to own up to it. And trying to set records for cache hides before you leave, don't even get me started on that. Again it is responsibility of you as the cacher to klnow what is right.

I am so angry and flustered by the events that have transpired that it boggles my mind that two people can cause so much trouble in this state and even bad mouth this state. I for one can not wait for you all to move and be some other states problem. I wish you luck and all but i know the excuses and the sob stories will continue when you get there!
--Brian Darkmoon Smith
<mailto:[email protected]>

2006-10-05 21:44:50 GMT

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