Question #30 - The native Oak landscape is the dominant theme in Lake Wildwood as a whole. Over the years, a number of non-native trees have been introduced to the golf course landscape with Italian Cypress and Mulberry trees being the prevalent varieties that stand out in contrast to the landscape. The Italian Cypress were originally planted as 150 yard markers on either side of the fairway, a common practice in those days. Apparently a number of Italian Cypress trees must have been left over and many were planted directly behind greens. The golf course architect felt that their appearance distracted from the landscape rather than enhancing it. It is his opinion that removing these trees would "... have more bearing on enhancing the aesthetics of the golf experience than virtually anything else that is outlined." Mulberry trees were another introduced species that are inappropriate in this setting. They are fast growing, shallow rooted, low branching, high maintenance and short lived trees. Over time, as they deteriorate, they should be removed and replaced by approximately 100 Oak trees. The architects proposal "... over time is to return to the original roots of Lake Wildwood Golf Club that are still the highlights of the club today, with a significant number of native Oak trees reintroduced, especially on sight lines where hillside backdrops are prevalent, in order to return to the golf course landscape blending into its surroundings." At the recommendation of the Golf Committee, removal of the Cypress trees was begun by Golf Operations in 2007 on a time-available basis. Replacement of some of them with alternative 150 yard markers is in process at this time. Please enter your opinion.
1.	4/3/2008 2:34:00 AM	We need the mulberries for the shade. They have been esthetically destroyed already by the constant unnecessary butcherng
2.	4/3/2008 3:30:00 PM	We need to think further into the future and move toward indigenous trees when retreeing. Mulberry is very labor intensive for trimming. Replace them with Oaks.
3.	4/3/2008 5:05:00 PM	No trees should be removed unless they present a safety or maintenance problem. I am not sure whether oak trees are the right choice for new trees or not. I thought that they did not like overwatering which probably happens on a golf course.
4.	4/3/2008 6:06:00 PM	Grass is non native--shall we remove it?
5.	4/3/2008 6:11:00 PM	In favor only if they allow mulberry trees to live their time
6.	4/3/2008 7:06:00 PM	bullshit about removal of 150 markers. We are not Pebble or Cypress Point. If I want to go see native trees I'll go to Muir Woods. I just want to play golf on a course that is attractive. For example, in late summer/early fall I'll snag a plum near the 17th tee. It adds to my golf enjoyment that day. We are becoming more pretentious than we should be.
7.	4/3/2008 9:30:00 PM	Even though trees are often a nemisis to me on the course, I love them. Plant all you want but remove only diseased and dying ones. Leave the trees that are there. I miss the cypress at the back of the greens!
8.	4/3/2008 9:32:00 PM	See no advantage in removing mature trees that are healthy. Feel strongly that replacing them with oak trees that require additional maintenance is ridiculous. Case in point, Cypress trees removed around the first green being replaced with trees which will drop leaves.
9.	4/4/2008 2:31:00 AM	Dpon't fix what is not broke!!!!
10.	4/4/2008 2:49:00 PM	consider houses that neighbor the course and not disrupt view.
11.	4/4/2008 4:42:00 PM	returns course to reflect topography of the area
12.	4/4/2008 5:39:00 PM	Wait till excisting trees dye
13.	4/4/2008 6:46:00 PM	holes 9 and 18 are gorgeous
14.	4/6/2008 12:29:00 AM	Strongly in favor of removing mulberry trees which will reduce maintenance cost
15.	4/6/2008 3:04:00 AM	Before we TAKE any out, let us ADD a few first, good size.
16.	4/6/2008 6:30:00 AM	Oak trees should only be added to replace those that have been lost to storms or other damage. Extra trees will just change the basic character and playability, and probably change the course rating.
17.	4/6/2008 6:16:00 PM	As trees fail, add oaks
18.	4/6/2008 11:02:00 PM	Replacement when the current trees die, is fine, but removing established trees is costly and environmentally unsound. Also the birds that next in those trees really suffer, particularly when they are removed during nesting season.
19.	4/7/2008 4:37:00 AM	leave the course alone.
20.	4/9/2008 6:03:00 PM	Most of us will not live long enough to see Oak trees grow.
21.	4/9/2008 7:48:00 PM	Do Oak trees like ample water. I understand not.
22.	4/10/2008 7:28:00 PM	I'm in favor of adding Oak Trees, but my concern is that these take a long time to mature. In the meantime, we need some shade on the course in the summer
23.	4/10/2008 8:36:00 PM	Keep flowering trees behind #11 tee. Remove Mulberrys & old rotten oaks that seem likely to fall.
24.	4/10/2008 8:52:00 PM	Leave them alone.
25.	4/11/2008 11:12:00 PM	With good judgement.
26.	4/13/2008 6:19:00 PM	To remove perfectly healthy trees is terrible.
27.	4/14/2008 12:18:00 AM	leave existing trees - thin them to make them more healthy
28.	4/14/2008 7:44:00 PM	I am in favor if alternative 150 yd markers are provided
29.	4/15/2008 2:58:00 PM	I don't know who the architect was, but I wish the members had been poled before the trees were removed. Everyone I have talked to thinks that was a rediculous and expensive idea. The cypress trees were lovely and appropriate markers. Stupid idea!!!!
30.	4/15/2008 8:38:00 PM	Only as the non-native trees deteriorate and need to be replaced!
31.	4/15/2008 11:54:00 PM	bad idea, we won't live long enough to appreciate oaks
32.	4/16/2008 4:28:00 PM	Adding new oaks is fine but leave the others
33.	4/16/2008 4:29:00 PM	Why were they removed?
34.	4/16/2008 5:15:00 PM	Haven't seen a 150 yard marker yet
35.	4/16/2008 6:04:00 PM	Oaks require years of growth. We need trees now.
36.	4/16/2008 8:50:00 PM	sorry the cypress were removed
37.	4/16/2008 9:05:00 PM	tell me the price of 100 oak trees of 10-15 feet. How do we pay for them.
38.	4/16/2008 9:19:00 PM	remove fruitless mulberrys, not cypress
39.	4/16/2008 10:59:00 PM	Remaining Italian cypress trees need to be removed first. Italian cypress trees need to be removed
40.	4/17/2008 1:27:00 AM	I like the beauty of the different trees-just oaks is boring.
41.	4/17/2008 10:34:00 PM	Only "as they deteriorate"
42.	4/18/2008 1:40:00 AM	I think more non-native trees add color and interest
43.	4/18/2008 4:34:00 PM	The removal of some of the Italian Cypress trees, particularly those sited as 150 markers was huge blunder. I understand the "logic" behind the removal of these very attractive trees is that they are not indigenous to our area. Nonsense! I'm not indigenous to the area. Am I to be removed?
44.	4/19/2008 5:01:00 PM	The removal of deteriorated trees should be determined by the course maintenance management.
45.	4/19/2008 8:55:00 PM	Miss cyprus trees, not native but healthy and beautiful, what a waste
46.	4/19/2008 10:48:00 PM	Need better 150 yard markers now.
47.	4/20/2008 1:09:00 AM	One can argue "non-native" forever--in fact, the diversity, if done with an artistic approach, makes the course more beautiful. Removing high maintenance non-natives is a good idea
48.	4/20/2008 3:41:00 AM	Where are the 150 markers?
49.	4/20/2008 2:01:00 PM	We do not need more Oaks trees. Oak trees create a major challenge to those people who suffer from allergies. They are messy a pose constant clean-up efforts. They create a hazard during winds such as those we have been experiencing lately. There is no such thing as an "inappropriate" tree in this setting. If we all planted only "native" plants and took out what was not, our yards would be bare.
50.	4/21/2008 1:21:00 AM	What is wrong with the trees we have? They are all beautiful
51.	4/21/2008 4:39:00 PM	wasted spending, I thought the Cypress trees were beautiful. So much of the grasses and plants are not native to the area... as are most of the residents!
52.	4/21/2008 4:57:00 PM	this is va total waste of money
53.	4/21/2008 7:30:00 PM	The mulberry's are our life savers in the hot summer our only shade! Oaks will never add shade in our lifetime!
54.	4/21/2008 9:50:00 PM	Plant live oak and learn how to prune them
55.	4/21/2008 10:44:00 PM	If we add oaks some will complain about interfering with their ball
56.	4/21/2008 11:19:00 PM	If the trees are healthy, why replace them? If not, they should be replaced with oaks
57.	4/21/2008 11:29:00 PM	We are not Pebble Beach - don't need to worry about having all oaks.
58.	4/21/2008 11:33:00 PM	Yards here are landscaped with non-native tree's
59.	4/22/2008 6:49:00 PM	I happen to like the traditional 150 yard markers (Italian Cypress) and oppose removing any trees that are not diseased or that pose a safety danger. I also think that mature/removed trees should IMMEDIATELY be replaced by mature trees or replacement trees planted before other trees are removed.. Oak trees are very nice but take a long time to grow.
60.	4/22/2008 10:44:00 PM	Removing more cypress and mulberries is a waste of money!!! When trees die or are a danger, replace them with others but do it as needed not because some people think it's nicer. Get the 150 yard markers installed asap. The cypress removal was a waste of money!
61.	4/22/2008 11:08:00 PM	not a big problem
62.	4/23/2008 4:03:00 AM	I think this is primarily a course maintenance issue.
63.	4/23/2008 4:39:00 AM	Replace as needed. Took a long time to grow. Ex. Shopping mall- clear cut- 3-7 years no shade!!
64.	4/23/2008 3:34:00 PM	If you drive around Lake Wildwood there are a lot of Cypress trees, not just on the golf course. Big oak trees are just going to add more difficulty to the course that people are already wanting to get rid of.
65.	4/23/2008 5:53:00 PM	why remove a tree when it takes so long to replace size
66.	4/23/2008 10:04:00 PM	Common sense did not prevail in this decision! Focus resources on needed improvements, not esoteric aesthetics. We have more serious issues that need addressing
67.	4/23/2008 10:58:00 PM	Mulberry trees in particular are labor intensive and require annual pruning. Elimination over time makes sense.
68.	4/23/2008 11:04:00 PM	Use evergreen oaks.
69.	4/23/2008 11:35:00 PM	When they're dead replace them. Add more now. What's been done is shameful.
70.	4/25/2008 2:08:00 PM	leave my cypress alone
71.	4/25/2008 2:37:00 PM	oaks stake too long plant redwoods or japanese black pine tree removal is supt's forte. Oak removal back of #17 was ludicrous! B Of D had heads in sand!!
72.	4/25/2008 2:57:00 PM	cutting any tree is wrong
73.	4/25/2008 9:42:00 PM	don't let owners of LWW have old oaks removed because they don't like birds
74.	4/25/2008 10:02:00 PM	Priority "back of the bus".
75.	4/25/2008 10:27:00 PM	oak trees are nice - water can't hit root system - do require pruning
76.	4/27/2008 3:49:00 AM	This would be nice to do sometime way in the future.

Question #30 - The native Oak landscape is the dominant theme in Lake Wildwood as a whole. Over the years, a number of non-native trees have been introduced to the golf course landscape with Italian Cypress and Mulberry trees being the prevalent varieties that stand out in contrast to the landscape. The Italian Cypress were originally planted as 150 yard markers on either side of the fairway, a common practice in those days. Apparently a number of Italian Cypress trees must have been left over and many were planted directly behind greens. The golf course architect felt that their appearance distracted from the landscape rather than enhancing it. It is his opinion that removing these trees would "... have more bearing on enhancing the aesthetics of the golf experience than virtually anything else that is outlined." Mulberry trees were another introduced species that are inappropriate in this setting. They are fast growing, shallow rooted, low branching, high maintenance and short lived trees. Over time, as they deteriorate, they should be removed and replaced by approximately 100 Oak trees. The architects proposal "... over time is to return to the original roots of Lake Wildwood Golf Club that are still the highlights of the club today, with a significant number of native Oak trees reintroduced, especially on sight lines where hillside backdrops are prevalent, in order to return to the golf course landscape blending into its surroundings." At the recommendation of the Golf Committee, removal of the Cypress trees was begun by Golf Operations in 2007 on a time-available basis. Replacement of some of them with alternative 150 yard markers is in process at this time. Please enter your opinion.

Response Date

Comment:

4/3/2008 2:34:00 AM

We need the mulberries for the shade. They have been esthetically destroyed already by the constant unnecessary butcherng

4/3/2008 3:30:00 PM

We need to think further into the future and move toward indigenous trees when retreeing. Mulberry is very labor intensive for trimming. Replace them with Oaks.

4/3/2008 5:05:00 PM

No trees should be removed unless they present a safety or maintenance problem. I am not sure whether oak trees are the right choice for new trees or not. I thought that they did not like overwatering which probably happens on a golf course.

4/3/2008 6:06:00 PM

Grass is non native--shall we remove it?

4/3/2008 6:11:00 PM

In favor only if they allow mulberry trees to live their time

4/3/2008 7:06:00 PM

bullshit about removal of 150 markers. We are not Pebble or Cypress Point. If I want to go see native trees I'll go to Muir Woods. I just want to play golf on a course that is attractive. For example, in late summer/early fall I'll snag a plum near the 17th tee. It adds to my golf enjoyment that day. We are becoming more pretentious than we should be.

4/3/2008 9:30:00 PM

Even though trees are often a nemisis to me on the course, I love them. Plant all you want but remove only diseased and dying ones. Leave the trees that are there. I miss the cypress at the back of the greens!

4/3/2008 9:32:00 PM

See no advantage in removing mature trees that are healthy. Feel strongly that replacing them with oak trees that require additional maintenance is ridiculous. Case in point, Cypress trees removed around the first green being replaced with trees which will drop leaves.

4/4/2008 2:31:00 AM

Dpon't fix what is not broke!!!!

10.

4/4/2008 2:49:00 PM

consider houses that neighbor the course and not disrupt view.

11.

4/4/2008 4:42:00 PM

returns course to reflect topography of the area

12.

4/4/2008 5:39:00 PM

Wait till excisting trees dye

13.

4/4/2008 6:46:00 PM

holes 9 and 18 are gorgeous

14.

4/6/2008 12:29:00 AM

Strongly in favor of removing mulberry trees which will reduce maintenance cost

15.

4/6/2008 3:04:00 AM

Before we TAKE any out, let us ADD a few first, good size.

16.

4/6/2008 6:30:00 AM

Oak trees should only be added to replace those that have been lost to storms or other damage. Extra trees will just change the basic character and playability, and probably change the course rating.

17.

4/6/2008 6:16:00 PM

As trees fail, add oaks

18.

4/6/2008 11:02:00 PM

Replacement when the current trees die, is fine, but removing established trees is costly and environmentally unsound. Also the birds that next in those trees really suffer, particularly when they are removed during nesting season.

19.

4/7/2008 4:37:00 AM

leave the course alone.

20.

4/9/2008 6:03:00 PM

Most of us will not live long enough to see Oak trees grow.

21.

4/9/2008 7:48:00 PM

Do Oak trees like ample water. I understand not.

22.

4/10/2008 7:28:00 PM

I'm in favor of adding Oak Trees, but my concern is that these take a long time to mature. In the meantime, we need some shade on the course in the summer

23.

4/10/2008 8:36:00 PM

Keep flowering trees behind #11 tee. Remove Mulberrys & old rotten oaks that seem likely to fall.

24.

4/10/2008 8:52:00 PM

Leave them alone.

25.

4/11/2008 11:12:00 PM

With good judgement.

26.

4/13/2008 6:19:00 PM

To remove perfectly healthy trees is terrible.

27.

4/14/2008 12:18:00 AM

leave existing trees - thin them to make them more healthy

28.

4/14/2008 7:44:00 PM

I am in favor if alternative 150 yd markers are provided

29.

4/15/2008 2:58:00 PM

I don't know who the architect was, but I wish the members had been poled before the trees were removed. Everyone I have talked to thinks that was a rediculous and expensive idea. The cypress trees were lovely and appropriate markers. Stupid idea!!!!

30.

4/15/2008 8:38:00 PM

Only as the non-native trees deteriorate and need to be replaced!

31.

4/15/2008 11:54:00 PM

bad idea, we won't live long enough to appreciate oaks

32.

4/16/2008 4:28:00 PM

Adding new oaks is fine but leave the others

33.

4/16/2008 4:29:00 PM

Why were they removed?

34.

4/16/2008 5:15:00 PM

Haven't seen a 150 yard marker yet

35.

4/16/2008 6:04:00 PM

Oaks require years of growth. We need trees now.

36.

4/16/2008 8:50:00 PM

sorry the cypress were removed

37.

4/16/2008 9:05:00 PM

tell me the price of 100 oak trees of 10-15 feet. How do we pay for them.

38.

4/16/2008 9:19:00 PM

remove fruitless mulberrys, not cypress

39.

4/16/2008 10:59:00 PM

Remaining Italian cypress trees need to be removed first. Italian cypress trees need to be removed

40.

4/17/2008 1:27:00 AM

I like the beauty of the different trees-just oaks is boring.

41.

4/17/2008 10:34:00 PM

Only "as they deteriorate"

42.

4/18/2008 1:40:00 AM

I think more non-native trees add color and interest

43.

4/18/2008 4:34:00 PM

The removal of some of the Italian Cypress trees, particularly those sited as 150 markers was huge blunder. I understand the "logic" behind the removal of these very attractive trees is that they are not indigenous to our area. Nonsense! I'm not indigenous to the area. Am I to be removed?

44.

4/19/2008 5:01:00 PM

The removal of deteriorated trees should be determined by the course maintenance management.

45.

4/19/2008 8:55:00 PM

Miss cyprus trees, not native but healthy and beautiful, what a waste

46.

4/19/2008 10:48:00 PM

Need better 150 yard markers now.

47.

4/20/2008 1:09:00 AM

One can argue "non-native" forever--in fact, the diversity, if done with an artistic approach, makes the course more beautiful. Removing high maintenance non-natives is a good idea

48.

4/20/2008 3:41:00 AM

Where are the 150 markers?

49.

4/20/2008 2:01:00 PM

We do not need more Oaks trees. Oak trees create a major challenge to those people who suffer from allergies. They are messy a pose constant clean-up efforts. They create a hazard during winds such as those we have been experiencing lately. There is no such thing as an "inappropriate" tree in this setting. If we all planted only "native" plants and took out what was not, our yards would be bare.

50.

4/21/2008 1:21:00 AM

What is wrong with the trees we have? They are all beautiful

51.

4/21/2008 4:39:00 PM

wasted spending, I thought the Cypress trees were beautiful. So much of the grasses and plants are not native to the area... as are most of the residents!

52.

4/21/2008 4:57:00 PM

this is va total waste of money

53.

4/21/2008 7:30:00 PM

The mulberry's are our life savers in the hot summer our only shade! Oaks will never add shade in our lifetime!

54.

4/21/2008 9:50:00 PM

Plant live oak and learn how to prune them

55.

4/21/2008 10:44:00 PM

If we add oaks some will complain about interfering with their ball

56.

4/21/2008 11:19:00 PM

If the trees are healthy, why replace them? If not, they should be replaced with oaks

57.

4/21/2008 11:29:00 PM

We are not Pebble Beach - don't need to worry about having all oaks.

58.

4/21/2008 11:33:00 PM

Yards here are landscaped with non-native tree's

59.

4/22/2008 6:49:00 PM

I happen to like the traditional 150 yard markers (Italian Cypress) and oppose removing any trees that are not diseased or that pose a safety danger. I also think that mature/removed trees should IMMEDIATELY be replaced by mature trees or replacement trees planted before other trees are removed.. Oak trees are very nice but take a long time to grow.

60.

4/22/2008 10:44:00 PM

Removing more cypress and mulberries is a waste of money!!! When trees die or are a danger, replace them with others but do it as needed not because some people think it's nicer. Get the 150 yard markers installed asap. The cypress removal was a waste of money!

61.

4/22/2008 11:08:00 PM

not a big problem

62.

4/23/2008 4:03:00 AM

I think this is primarily a course maintenance issue.

63.

4/23/2008 4:39:00 AM

Replace as needed. Took a long time to grow. Ex. Shopping mall- clear cut- 3-7 years no shade!!

64.

4/23/2008 3:34:00 PM

If you drive around Lake Wildwood there are a lot of Cypress trees, not just on the golf course. Big oak trees are just going to add more difficulty to the course that people are already wanting to get rid of.

65.

4/23/2008 5:53:00 PM

why remove a tree when it takes so long to replace size

66.

4/23/2008 10:04:00 PM

Common sense did not prevail in this decision! Focus resources on needed improvements, not esoteric aesthetics. We have more serious issues that need addressing

67.

4/23/2008 10:58:00 PM

Mulberry trees in particular are labor intensive and require annual pruning. Elimination over time makes sense.

68.

4/23/2008 11:04:00 PM

Use evergreen oaks.

69.

4/23/2008 11:35:00 PM

When they're dead replace them. Add more now. What's been done is shameful.

70.

4/25/2008 2:08:00 PM

leave my cypress alone

71.

4/25/2008 2:37:00 PM

oaks stake too long plant redwoods or japanese black pine tree removal is supt's forte. Oak removal back of #17 was ludicrous! B Of D had heads in sand!!

72.

4/25/2008 2:57:00 PM

cutting any tree is wrong

73.

4/25/2008 9:42:00 PM

don't let owners of LWW have old oaks removed because they don't like birds

74.

4/25/2008 10:02:00 PM

Priority "back of the bus".

75.

4/25/2008 10:27:00 PM

oak trees are nice - water can't hit root system - do require pruning

76.

4/27/2008 3:49:00 AM

This would be nice to do sometime way in the future.