Question #11 - "Greens are the heart and soul of a golf course. ... The existing greens are the originals which opened for play in 1973. Generally speaking, properly constructed USGA greens have up to a 30 year life expectancy. Ongoing maintenance practices have assisted in overcoming any deficiencies that the greens possess, but the substructure of the drainage system and the seedbed mixture is the lifeblood of greens and they are increasingly showing signs of age that can only be corrected by reconstruction. The greens on holes #2 and #3 have been particularly troublesome in recent years and should be at the top of the list in consideration for replacement. The recommendation is to reconstruct all of the greens to complete USGA standards."

#Response DateComment:
1.4/3/2008 2:20:00 AMIf only 2 are a problem, why reconstruct all ????????????

2.4/3/2008 3:11:00 PMthere is no reason to do all at one time but all greens should be replaced. We should track maintenance efforts on each green to help determine when to replace a specific green.

3.4/3/2008 3:51:00 PMlets do it and do it quickly...at least 9 holes at a time...the golfers can easily fund this with a surcharge...the most frequent golfers pay about $10 dollars for a round of golf...even if we paid 15 or 20 it would be a great deal and we could pay for new greens quickly

4.4/3/2008 4:14:00 PMNOT NEEDED

5.4/3/2008 5:54:00 PMDo we have to do all 18 ?

6.4/3/2008 6:00:00 PMGolf is getting too expensive what with the economy and fixed incomes.

7.4/3/2008 6:46:00 PMmust be done and soon or we won't have any

8.4/3/2008 7:38:00 PMReconstruct those that are in need. In talking to other golf course maintenance persons greens may last way beyond 30 years.

9.4/3/2008 7:52:00 PMCionstruction of the greens also need to evaluate the proper amount of sunshine....Some tree removal might be necessary....

10.4/3/2008 9:20:00 PMStart with those most in need of replacement and over time, replace the rest.

11.4/3/2008 10:27:00 PMexpence & need..playability of course for extended period

12.4/4/2008 2:31:00 AMFix only the ones that need it, They all don't!

13.4/4/2008 1:43:00 PMGreens should be on RR and rebuilt over the next ten years.

14.4/4/2008 4:35:00 PMgreens are key - should be top priority

15.4/4/2008 4:56:00 PMalso #8

16.4/4/2008 5:31:00 PMWe bought property here in 1971 and played golf here. Why do you keep saying 1973?

17.4/4/2008 5:57:00 PMreplace only those greens that truely need it ala #2 & #3

18.4/4/2008 6:43:00 PMthis is a top priority in my opinion

19.4/5/2008 1:13:00 AMAll 18 do not need to be rebuilt. Lets have a "greens" expert review how/when to build the new greens.

20.4/5/2008 8:40:00 PMIf we don't rebuild we will have a lot of bad greens soon

21.4/6/2008 2:22:00 AMFocus on few that really need replacement

22.4/6/2008 2:56:00 AMThis is a LWA golf course, all LWA members fund it.

23.4/6/2008 5:57:00 AMThere are many more things that need fixing before we can afford new greens.

24.4/6/2008 10:51:00 PMRight now they are terrible and in much need of replacement.

25.4/7/2008 12:02:00 AMLimit Green Reconstruction to only essential

26.4/7/2008 4:29:00 AMwe are a private members only course not public!!!!

27.4/8/2008 3:59:00 AMall 18 not needed at this time, when done shld. be to USGA Stds

28.4/8/2008 5:09:00 AMLets do 2 and 3 first and see how it works out.

29.4/8/2008 6:23:00 PMreplace greens as needed

30.4/9/2008 4:22:00 PMGreens should not be replaced until it is necessary

31.4/10/2008 3:45:00 AMreplacement of the greens would be nice to do on a "as needed" basis but my intuitive feeling is that an approach like that would cause us to spend more money in the long run - an implementation plan should be developed with proper and thorough cost analysis to determine the best way to proceed... "piece meal" or "front nine - then back nine"

32.4/10/2008 8:15:00 PMLike a timeline schedule. cost? Who pays for it?

33.4/10/2008 8:31:00 PMReconstruct when failing

34.4/10/2008 8:51:00 PMIn reality, we don't need to replace all the greens. It is extremely costly. Most of them can be maintained to a degree that they will be more than acceptable.

35.4/11/2008 10:58:00 PM#2 and #3 should be rebuilt now.

36.4/13/2008 2:20:00 AMit would be extreamely nice to have green like those that are ideal but we are not a million dollar in each pocket owner so i feel that only those greens that are consistently complained about by the golfers should be attacked first but they should not all be fixed just bercause one of them is.

37.4/13/2008 6:09:00 PMVery expensive - Agree with green 3 & maybe 9

38.4/15/2008 11:22:00 PMonly support doing #2 and #3

39.4/16/2008 4:25:00 PMReplace 2 & 3 only now & later - replace more as needed

40.4/16/2008 5:10:00 PMReconstuctiong all greens is a waste of money, all greens are not bad.

41.4/16/2008 6:02:00 PMBetter maintenance, better greens.

42.4/16/2008 6:40:00 PMas required maintenance will carry them longer than I('ll be here.

43.4/16/2008 8:20:00 PMdo not close course

44.4/16/2008 8:30:00 PMCost and timing first.

45.4/16/2008 8:43:00 PMhopefully over a period of time. #3 now

46.4/16/2008 9:02:00 PMDo #2 first year, #3 another. Pick the worst green and do one a year if funds available

47.4/16/2008 9:14:00 PMestablish as RR funding. set up plan to replace 6 starting in 3 years. Estimate cost 1.5M for all 18. Plan in work.

48.4/16/2008 10:37:00 PMRe-build when absolutely necessary.

49.4/17/2008 1:22:00 AMWhy is it our greens are always the areas worst after aerification? Maybe what we have would last longer if maintenance could get that right.

50.4/17/2008 4:10:00 PMThis should be the highest priority

51.4/17/2008 9:44:00 PMI'm against rebuilding all greens. Some yes, but not all.

52.4/17/2008 10:12:00 PMWhy not replace out of RR since expectancy is only 30 years anyway. We are past that.

53.4/18/2008 5:02:00 AMRecoonstruction costs should be paid from R.R.funds since greens have up to 30 years life expectancy.

54.4/18/2008 4:29:00 PMTo my eyes, most greens are in good to very good condition. Therefore the huge expense of replacing all of them cannot be justified, with the obvious exception of #2 & #3.

55.4/19/2008 4:52:00 PMReconstruct only those greens which need it now.

56.4/19/2008 5:21:00 PMDepends on cost

57.4/19/2008 8:50:00 PMReplace only as required, high cost I am sure

58.4/19/2008 10:33:00 PMA few, not 18

59.4/19/2008 10:46:00 PM10 years ago #16 was worst on the course. 30 year life expectancy is a recently made up recommendation. Many golf courses over 30 have not, nor intend to, replace greens.

60.4/20/2008 1:00:00 AMCurrent greens are old, and are disease prone, as well as inconsistent

61.4/20/2008 6:04:00 PMMy answer assumes funding by all owners

62.4/21/2008 4:31:00 PMIdentify the critical greens and prioritize. 8 should be on the list.

63.4/21/2008 7:19:00 PMThis is a recreational golf course not a country club. We are on fixed incomes and cannot udertake this huge expense. If the 5 or 6 pro-golfers don't like our non - pga greens they should move to a more suitable golf club

64.4/21/2008 8:27:00 PMreplace one or two greens per year, as they fail

65.4/21/2008 9:57:00 PMBuild 3 & 8

66.4/21/2008 11:17:00 PMReconstruction on an "as needed" basis

67.4/21/2008 11:18:00 PMIf a 4 to 5 year project

68.4/21/2008 11:27:00 PMreplace as needed

69.4/21/2008 11:43:00 PMHoles 2 & 3 should be rebuilt

70.4/22/2008 2:21:00 AMonly the troblesome greens

71.4/22/2008 3:03:00 PMOver many years.

72.4/22/2008 6:44:00 PMI am strongly opposed to rebuilding ANY greens until they are able to be funded with out of reserves. As stated above, greens have a limited life expectancy, are a part of the TOTAL community assets, and as such should be funded by the ENTIRE community from community reserves.

73.4/22/2008 8:02:00 PMCan be done wilth local resources and a few at a time

74.4/22/2008 10:14:00 PMSome of the greens clearly need replacing but others do not appear to be in too bad a shape. Cost to replace is a huge consideration.

75.4/22/2008 11:06:00 PMmost seem adequate

76.4/23/2008 3:10:00 AMcostly--will have to raise fees alot

77.4/23/2008 3:45:00 AMlimit reconstrution to a few greens

78.4/23/2008 4:02:00 AMtoo expensive, continued maintenance has gave 35 yrs.already

79.4/23/2008 4:25:00 AMI don't think all green are bad.

80.4/23/2008 5:05:00 AMOur greens better than many which are to USGA standards

81.4/23/2008 4:46:00 PMdepending on how they wiil be pain for

82.4/23/2008 5:10:00 PMIf no.3 is to be replaced the trees should not have gone

83.4/23/2008 9:45:00 PMReconstruct those that are needed now and put aside funds to cover others as required

84.4/23/2008 10:37:00 PMWhile strongly in favor I think a logical approach is necessary. Those in need of atttention due to poor condition should be planned sooner than later.

85.4/23/2008 11:10:00 PMReconstruct 2 & 3 only.

86.4/23/2008 11:17:00 PM#3 is a problem. The rest are fine and money can be spent elsewhere.

87.4/23/2008 11:19:00 PMonly as needed

88.4/25/2008 1:43:00 PMshould come from reserve monies

89.4/25/2008 2:37:00 PMbetter care of greens would increase playability and longevity

90.4/25/2008 2:43:00 PMsome will need to replace over time but to replace all of the greens is not necessary

91.4/25/2008 2:54:00 PMair circulation due to location of green has not been corrected on hole # 3

92.4/25/2008 3:59:00 PMReplace them as they individually fail.

93.4/25/2008 4:05:00 PM#3 primarily.

94.4/25/2008 9:58:00 PMOnly as needed and funded.

95.4/25/2008 10:18:00 PMWas not aware that #2 green was a problem. #3 green has had different problems over the yrs - not sure if necessary to replace entire green. #8 green has had problems in the past & present and needs more attention then #2 green. It seems to me that greens are replaced only when they are destroyed by fungus, etc. I would think that most golf courses build greens to USGA standards, but I doubt they are replaced every 30 yrs. During PGA tournaments, you'll see squeegees used after rainstorms at the most exclusive and oldest clubs in th USA. Do they rebuild each 30 yrs?

96.4/27/2008 3:49:00 AMIs there a compliance issue here? If not, why go to a big expense of reconstructing -- maintain what we have & replace #2 & #3.

97.4/27/2008 9:16:00 PMCosts too much

98.4/27/2008 9:43:00 PMlets start with 2 and 3 and see how that goes

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