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Skunk is not old school... "Old school" is/was two revisions before skunk, say 65'-71'. It was mostly brown brick Mexican, Colombian, Jamacian, etc. brought in over the southern border, or by boat from nearby island nations. Old school pot was/is never green, never any hairs left after the bricking, and did I say, never green! I don’t remember ever seeing anything from the middle or far east, ever. Sorry man, old school shit, and it was mostly shit, smelled like oak leaves burning on a fall weekend in the Northeast, and BTW, most of it was not all that great save the occasional Mehiuachan, or Hawaiian, or Lambs Bread. Old school weed was not even really predominant in the suburbs. Up until the Vietnam war, it was mostly in the underscale parts of US cities.

Then the more exotic stuff came around, the end of Vietnam brought a new world awareness and prosperity for Americans. Even domestically, it put the city kids with the country boys, yes it was a real awakening for our generation. Now that we knew what was out there, the golds, reds, and exotic near and far eastern strains came into play. It really became more of a business then, as the use of pot expanded and the potential for massive profits became apparent. What an exciting time, every time you got pot, it was totally different than the time before, never the same, never boring. Everyone had a cool name for anything they were selling, but there was certainly some great pot available commercially.

Then later, the late 70's, early 80’s greed snuck in, domestic hard core “clubs” decided to not only control the business, but also to bring the production end home so in came the dreaded skunk. Fast skunk was much more suited for domestic production as the beautiful equator sativas were not suited to outdoor production here in the US, and indoor production was still in it’s infancy.. Guys were trying to grow pot with black lights, we heard stories of white pot in the New York sewers, protected by gators for shit’s sake, real information was hard to come by so it was skunk that could grow well, outdoors here and it crept into everything… Yech…So you see, Skunk came a full two revisions of the pot business removed from "old school".

Mr. Grimbo, "Professional Iconoclast".

Disclaimer: I hate skunk, only because of the politics and greed that brought it to the forefront, it is hard to find "unskunkified" weed lately, I have my fingers crossed for Reeferman and Luci to help that, along with others.. The opinions here are only my opinions, they are not meant to start any wars, just to put a theory on the table for civil discussion, based on my personal point of view and experiences, if you are so inclined…Peace to all.

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You feel better after that? I've had a fair amount of brickweed that was brown. It was still fun though!

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Yes indeed. Everyone knows if you find some good brick weed to call me I much prefer good brown pot to a lot of the new exotic skunk mixes. I even jar green weed, locally grown, very early to get it to lose the chlorophil and that taste..

As far as feeling better, I hope my post did not come off like a rant, it was not meant to be, just an opinion that I thought may be interesting to some here. Really have a small smoking community I deal with face to face, they have heard it all before

Mr. Grimbo

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Worry not, didn't sound pompous or anything. Rant is a compliment in my books. Was good to hear some of the past on this stuff. Only been smoking for a couple of years (first tried it in '94). Don't know why the link on my last post ain't working though. Annoying

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no its okay, someone will flame you just wait, but many of us agree. it is totally beyond me why people will spend 20 bucks a gram over and over for about four strains. northern lights, skunk, afghani, and whatever else is boring and similiar. m39, mighty mite, etc. then they start growing and have access to the best shit in the world. ny diesel, trainwreck, petrolia headstash, blueberry all kinda shit you can't buy and yet i'd say well over half of the growers out there are growing afghani, skunk, northern lights of hybrids of those. and they are so bland and boring! sadly though i don't think most people care. they just want big potent buds that grow easy and they can smoke alot of to escape reality, not caring about the quality of what they could escape into.

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Ahhh, I think we do care and that is why the internet and breeders like Rman (and others who respect the ibl's) have the opportunity to propel us to the fourth generation of pot. This will be a combination of 1 and 2 with clone trading, free pot, seed banks, and great different pots from around the world will be readily available again, and we will not let them go, now that we know the potential concequences. As the younger folks search out the "holy grails" of their parents (the second generation golds, reds, hawaiians, eastern sativas) they will find and see the differences and many will choose as we do to be patient and grow really great pot outselves. Skunk will live in the commercial world, but in the world of the guriella grower, the great pots of the past may just make a great come back... Heres to keeping our fingers crossed for the best.

MG

[EDIT] These pots are not what I consider OS, but then again they were better than OS too.

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Old verses young is all relative to your age.... to me the skunk I grew up with in the mid 80s was killer that is verses the brick we got hold of in Texas. But, the brick was also different and had a totally different type of high...that is up and motivational. Now I am not fond of the Canadian couch lock indicas for commericial sale these days, but I do understand the economics behind them. BTW, have I shown you my Reeferman Willie Nelson??

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bacchus you toke that yet? i got a few beans comin from RM of it and i can't wait.

PS mr. grimbo your right, i'm 20 and am very interested in RM's genes. cherry maui, the panama hybrids and the golds. its cool too i live down south and i can put some of those outside. i wanna put his blackseed outside. just north of mexico i bet that thing will be nice. been smoking those same strains you can buy commercially for seven years and i'm damn tired of them.

what?!?! seven years! you been smoking since you were 13?!?!
yes i have and growing since i was 14 so gets over it.

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I don't get it. Some observations...

* It doesn't sound like you've had real skunk, just the watered down version that passes for skunk these days. Skunk was bred to increase yeilds...is that greed?

* Cannabis smoking didn't start in the 60's. Anyone can make an argument that "old school" is older than any baseline year. Old school could be 1000 BC. If you spoke to a sadhu in India, do you think he would consider Panama Red or island brick "old school"?

* You can't get anything but skunk crosses? Why don't you grow your own? I've never been anywhere in all my years of smoking that everything was a skunk cross.

I'm not trying to criticize you here, but what was the point of this thread? And why is it in the Strains forum? It seems like you're trying to make the point that "clubs" introduced skunk and it ruined the cannabis scene...but you've really offered up no concrete evidence, just personal observations.

I'll be the first to agree that the Dutch crossed the crap out of most of their strains...to the point of watering everything down into homogeniety. But it's not the fault of one specific strain. Instead it's poor breeding practices more than anything else.

If you grow your own, or know a good grower, this shouldn't even be an issue.

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Let me point out that when I said "clubs" I was not refering to the modern "Medical Clubs" but the black market groups, such as motorcycle clubs.

I consider Panama red, and the others... one generation removed from old school. I know I could go waaaaay back, but I consider the first generation the generation just before that, the generation that brought it (pot) out of the dark and into the American mainstream.

We do grow our own, I have a friend with a very old skunk clone, and others with such classics as Durban Poison, Juicyfruit, some other old clones and genetics spread around between them. Our all and out favorite is a pheno from a bud of South American commercial brick weed (bagweed) we grew out several years ago. There were several phenos, one we kept, we call it dogbite. It is a sativa of the grandest level, with great expansion, taste to the very end of the joint, every light, and the stone is why we call it Dogbite. We also grow a few newer Dutch strains, they are great, yeild, bag appeal, etc, but everyone still loves the Bite the best. It is very reminicent of the old Colombian Golds we used to get in taste, and high, and when cured right even has a little of the old smell. Typical weed from the second geration, much better than "old school" in my opinion.

I wrote this and included it in the strains section as a followup to comments I have made before. Why strains? Cause Skunk is probably one of the most important strains in modern history as to it's influence on pot, as of the present, the use and sale of pot. Not to mention, I love pot, and just wanted to talk about it.

I have indeed smoked lot's of great skunk, I was very close to those who brought much of it into the East Coast for distribution in the early 80's, to Boston and Springfield (the bussers )and even more involved in the movement of lots of Gold in the mid 70's when many dealers fled NYC to avoid some new harsh drug laws. I still would rather smoke some A-Gold, or even Colombian gold, J-or C Red too than any skunk I have seen in a quarter decade.

Thanks again for the input, if the mods move this it is ok, I will keep stosting poned until it is spent.. Thanks to all who have put in so far.
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Some people might chose crosses with skunk, northern lights, afgani, and big bud because they have limited space or time to grow. Here in the US people can lose a lot when it comes to cannabis, and therefore we tend to grow in small spaces with a limited number of plants. I’m not trying to knock your thread, but if it weren’t for the above mentioned strains, many wouldn’t be able to grow.

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Im with Bacchus ................. The best skunk ( PePeLePew aka roadkill skunk ) was one in Texas back in the early 80's the shit reeked in a good way .............
Some folks use the word skunk in the same context as dank, sticky icky ...........
A true skunk is hard to come by....... its true older versions of any skunk were very odorifus and todays version ( Dutch ) is watered down and sweetened up so much it should be called something else like Skunk Light or Gently Scented Skunk or even Skunk #-1 LMAO ...........
Old skool skunks are out there, they are just prized treasures ...... The people that know what they have are not about to let them out so someone can cross it with this or that ...
If you had a champion strain would you release it so that almost everyone will take it apart ..............
Name on highly prized strain that has not been bred with another strain .........
Mr. Gimbo our early 80's skunk in Texas is old skool skunk to me and others here that have had the pleasure of toking on it........... Its not around anymore like it was in the 80's , I classifiy that as old skool in my book .................

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Hey man no worries. Don't want you to think I'm criticizing your POV or anything. I just wanted a bit of clarity.

grow on my friend!

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Could be I never smoked that particular breed Most of what we got came from SoCal and Arizona from what I was led to beleive. It was great pot, I still loved the browns (read, imports) better even then, but it was indeed great pot. And I have no problem with the skunk itself, and I do fully understand why it had to be so predominant here in the states, but with the new information available, and world wide seed banks, maybe it is not so necessary for it to bread into everything anymore...

Mr. Grimbo

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