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Who out there knows how the
blueberry was crossed? I am sure
alot of us would like to know.
Being that it is my favourite I
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Hello hometoker,,,
You should get a book called The
Cannabible by Jason King. I got
mine at Barnes and Noble in the
gardening section lol. Costs
maybe $25 bucks and is
completely full color and very
descriptive. Also has a nice
section in the front giving a
minor history lesson as to the
orgins of all these strains we
have today.
Anyway, to answer your
question,,this is a direct quote
from the book about BlueBerry.
"Ah, if only all breeders knew
as much about their strains as
DJ Short, the producer of
BlueBerry, does. the pedigree
details of this Cannabis Cup
2000 winner are as follows:
Three strains--Highland Thai,
Pruple Thai, and Afghani
Indica--were used to create
Blueberry (and others in DJ
Short's collection).
The Highland Thai (also called
Juicy Fruit Thai) was a huge,
slighly hermaphroditic,
slow-finishing Thai sativa
plant. The Purple Thai was a
first-generation cross between a
Highland Oaxaca Gold (Mexican)
and a Chocolate Thai. The
Afghani Indica was just that--an
Afghani Indica. The Blueberry
was discovered and stabilized
from a cross between parents of
a female Juicy Fruit Thai or
Female Purple Thai and a male
Afghani Indica. I hold a special
plane in my heart for the real
Blueberry. The flowers are so
fragrant, so....blue smelling.
The succulent blueberry flavors
stays on your tongue and your
mind for hours. Highly
recommended.
I do not, however, recommend
buying DJ shorts strains from
Sagamartha Seeds in Amsterdam;
these are not authorized and
are, subsequently, stolen. Dutch
Passion is the only authorized
distributor in Amsterdam for DJ
Shorts strains."
Thats all he says about
Blueberry dude,,,,this book was
written in 2000 though,,,,so
what he says there at the end
may or may not be true
anymore,,,,who knows,,,,I myself
have some blueberry from Gypsy
and they are fukin wonderful :),
i love emmmm.
Hope that helps you out some
dude
Peace and POT
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Thank you, I have admired your
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Just another side note. DP does
use them, but are used in their
crosses, if you want the
orginal, get them thru DJ Short.
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my understanding was that DJ
supplied DP w/ the strains of
his they're selling...there's
another thread/article in the
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But remember, who has the
parents, DJ does. He gave DP
seeds(unless it was clones, but
I haven't seen this), therefore
they had to either make crosses,
or F2's.
Kinda reminds me of Greenhouses
Whitewidow. Shantibaba still has
the original parents, and
Shantibaba doesn't work there no
more, so how does Greenhouse
make their seeds still, if they
don't have the parents, even
though the lineage is almost
identical. (I have never heard
of Greenhouse having the
parents, but they might in clone
form, the same with DP, but I
have never read or saw this
data.) I'm sure they have F2's
and have other breeders breed
them. The samething with DP.
If I'm wrong on this, then bad
on me, but I'm pretty sure this
is how it is. No one gives their
life work away, not without
getting paid some big bucks for
the parents. But even then, it's
the key to your whole genetic
lineup, you just don't give them
away.
Been trying to do a search here
for the last 10 minutes, and I
get the busy return. I did read
the thread in the breeder's lab,
but I didn't see anything about
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blueberry is so inbred that it's
all going to be pretty uniform
for the most part, w/ an IBL you
don't need particular parents,
it's not an F1 cross of two
selected parents, it's an entire
line that's had certain
selection criteria placed on it,
not just a mother/father
pair...WW may be a different
story, I haven't looked into it
much, so I don't know. as for
giving away lifes work, why do
you think most strains on the
market aren't IBL? hybrid vigour
from F1s is part of the reason,
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I don't think that's the case
with most. But to me, spending 3
or more years on certain
selection is long time to
devote. Most breeder's throw
stuff together on a whim, and I
don't consider that true
breeding. But when someone takes
the time to make a careful
selection, then that is effort
going into their work. When you
make a hybrid, not all will be
from ibl's by the way. You could
work on finding the right mom,
say out nl#5, and bring it down
several generations, growing out
hundreds if not more each time.
Once it's stable in the trait
you are after, then you can find
a donor male of good standings.
And cross, but the outcome can
still go either way. But you
still spent alot of time on it.
Why then, would you just give
the parents away after finding
that right combination, I
wouldn't. It's your work, would
you call a Rembrandt not his
work, of course you wouldn't,
nor would you call the copies a
Rembrandt. But you will make
other hybrids, and will still
stabilize certain parents, as
with new paintings, the
collection all together becomes
your life's work. So in that, it
is part of his life's work.
I'm not saying everyone puts
that amount of time into their
work, but there are those few
who do, and you can tell by
their products. And it seems to
always start a rave of copies.
WhiteWidow, Blueberry, C99. Take
Souls G13 projects, which have
been going on for years, and
still, do you see them on the
market yet, nope! And it still
may be a few years before you
do, that's dedication to getting
it right, if that's not
someone's work, I don't know
what is. Like taking words and
making a beautiful poem. The
words are not ours to begin
with, but when the poem is done,
it is a masterpiece, it belongs
and came from one's inspiration,
desire, and work(dedication ).
Even with IBL's, you still have
to grow out several, even though
there are uniform, there are
still slight differences. And
you want to find the best of the
best, but then you still have to
find the right combination, at
least that's the way I feel.
Anyone can slap 2 plants
together, knock one up, make
seeds, shit I don't even have to
try sometimes, it just happens.
LOL :D Damn kids are everywhere.
:D
Most people who call themselves
breeder's are not, that's just
my take. Though some do get
lucky, and there isn't nothing
wrong with that.
But back to the one question.
Most seeds bought today are not
strains, but crosses, and
hybrids. And you are right, most
breeder's don't do their work,
they just find the ibl seeds,
and cross them, and they get
sold, for the fact that they are
an ibl. Take afghani for
instance, there are several
different types out there, it's
not like they're all the same.
Enviroment, and the spread of
pollen does crreate diversity in
their native population,
bringing rise to different kinds
of afghani. So just by trying to
find the one that suits your
need could be time consuming. Or
you could do what everyone else
does, buy them from the bank,
but which one is the best. Goes
back to research, and growing
out several generations to find
one, as for us simple
homegrowers, or commercial
growers, it's not that big of a
deal, as long as we can find a
keeper in a pack, but the
question is, can you really find
a keeper in a pack of 10? If
you're a breeder? or if you're
just a grower?
DP
The Blue Family
The Blue Family (Blueberry, Blue
Velvet, Flo, Purple Passion,
Blue Moonshine and Blue Heaven),
has been successfully introduced
to the market by Dutch Passion
in recent years. A successful
and traditional group of
varieties; for Europe, however,
a new genetic line. These
varieties gave a fresh breeze to
the somewhat "dusty" Dutch gene
pool, consisting mainly of
crosses between Skunk, Northern
Lights and Haze. The genetics of
"The Blue Family" are basically
made up from an Oaxacan
(legendary Mexican Sativa), a
Thai, and an Indica strain.
Within these three main
varieties the Blue Family
strains have their own genotype,
each expressing different
accents of the main three
varieties:
Oaxacan -- Flo -- PP -- BV --
Thai -- BH -- BB -- BM -- Indica
The Sativa characteristics of
the Flo come mainly from the
Oaxacan and for Blue Velvet from
the Thai. Blueberry (80% Indica)
and Blue Moonshine (90% Indica)
are more related to the Indica
variety. Through years of
selection the specific genetic
profiles of the different
varieties were sharpened and at
the same time stabilized.
All members of the Blue Family
show blue, and red to lilac,
shades on their calyxes, leaves
and stems, depending on the
temperature at flowering time.
The colder, the more color. So,
grown outdoors (Southern
Europe), this phenomenon is a
lot clearer than when grown
indoors.
The leaves of the Blue Family
strains might show white spots
and stripes. This does not slow
down growth. It is sort-specific
to these strains. In the first
three weeks of flowering the
Blue Family strains grow slower
compared to other strains. After
the third week of flowering they
will catch up and give a
beautiful harvest.
The members of the "Blue Family"
are praised for their
connoisseurs' quality, and offer
an exquisite, punctual, up-high
and remarkable taste variety.
Dutch Passion was one of the
first Dutch Seed Companies, and
has been producing and selling
Cannabis Seeds for more than ten
years. In this time we got a lot
of experience in producing the
best possible quality of
Cannabis Seeds. The basis of our
success is the genetic control
we have over our strains and the
constant influx of new genetics
that we obtain worldwide.
Upgrading our seed stock is our
constant concern. We do our
utmost to supply you now and in
the future with the best
genetics available. Our success
is your success and yours is
ours. Most of the varieties in
our collection are F1 hybrids.
Crossing two pure strains
(hybridizing) gives F1 hybrids
that possess the so-called
Hybrid Vigour. This means that
the F1 generation is a lot more
potent than both parent
generations. All seeds from our
collection are biologically
grown. We do seed germination
tests every 3 months to keep our
seed stock in optimum condition.
ALL - FEMALE SEEDS FROM DUTCH
PASSION
now available. Growing from
female-only seeds has many
advantages, both indoor and
outdoor, compared with regular
seeds. Growing from regular
seeds means that part of the
seeds will give rise to male
plants and female plants, and
the percentage of female plants
varies widely. Whether a seed
becomes male or female is not
just genetic, but environmental.
For growers who are well
experienced , percentage of
female plants is 60% - 90%
female, but less experienced
growers can end up with 100%
male plants. Growing from female
seeds will yield only female
plants, there is no male
chromosome in these genetics.
You will now save time, energy,
space, pollination-worries or
male plants you have to nurture
only to destroy in 2 - 3 months.
Where there are rstrictions on
the number of plants to grow,
all-female is more efficient.
Its also great for outdoor
guerilla farming, no males to
have to come back to eliminate.
MR.Nice
Originally posted by
shantibaba:
Originally
posted by Jason:
what are the
strains that
comprise white
widow. is it
what the package
says. are u
ingemar, at
white widow web
they claim they
are the original
breeders of the
ww. |
I created Greenhouse
Seed company in 1995 and
won the HTCC with the
strain I called White
Widow.Now I call it
Black Widow since
setting up the MR NICE
SEEDBANK. I know Ingemar
and have worked with him
in the passed.He is not
a seed breeder, but he
he a very good groweron
soil.As far as I know he
never supplied seed to
anyone I know so I
cannot tell you anything
about the seed he sells
,but he never won the
fame with his seed.He
just uses the name like
most people do...nothing
to stop them doing so.I
hope this explains a
little more about the
story...all the best
Shantibaba
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Originally posted by
shantibaba:
Sharrina
the other versions of
white widow from all
companies of course were
never going to give a
stable version of a
misused name.I began
this whole ww thing with
certain plants.I know
that other companies
only used bought seed to
try and recreate a very
difficult line.Now since
leaving GHSco and
beginning MR NICE
SEEDBANK , I know that
only I have the correct
parent plants to
recreate this line.There
are none other that have
kept these particular
parent plants alive nor
ever had the original
versions.The name has
become misleading and
the breed bastardized as
a result.
So I changed the name to
Black Widow and in this
strain you will find
what you asked in every
packet.If you search a
male then check the
Fibonacci ratios, that
will condense down the
plants to use.After that
use an eye glaSS daily
to see if the male
produces resin early in
its flower cycle.Then
use the best 2 or 3
males to the same
female.Try the F1 and
Bob will be your uncle!
If you truly want to use
the correct things you
must do research as you
know.Personally I have
nothing against seed
traders, but they
sometimes sell what they
have without really
having any idea of what
it was.I produce,
guarantee and use all my
products myself.Try to
find that when you need
new beans.
Yes Ozzies are
everywhere.We have a
fresh approach that
rigid societies really
need.We do not take no
for an answer.We don't
really give a f... what
others say...with all
these facets in a social
conscience it is no
wonder we are doing what
we are doing.All the
best Shantibaba |
Originally posted by
shantibaba:
Ozbud
I do not know what
Greenhouse put in their
seed packets since two
years.
I think if there was one
seed that could not be
adulterated it would be
NH...but I can not vouch
for it.
As for looking for the
NH mother there are a
few things to take into
consideration.First you
should go for the girls
that flower relatively
quickly for this type of
sativa, since all others
can go on for ever...
Secondly the phenotype
is of a lanky looking
plant that extends
itself in the grow
phase...if you have
one.All work of this
variety can be done on
12/12 including
cloning.Smell that comes
early to this plant is a
good thing to go on
also.NH has many faces
but the finished bud
should be very trippy
and with a distinct
taste and smell that
makes it hard to keep
this bud in your
stash.Hope this helped a
little...all the best
Shantibaba |
Just found this article over at
CW
Originally posted by
MisterIto:
I received this via
email from someone
concerned about
different flowering
periods for Flo:
I spoke to Legends. I
had an interesting
reply. It sounds as
though DJ Shorts has
given Dutch Passion
permission to not only
stock the Blue line
seeds (Blue Moonshine,
Blueberry etc), but to
breed their own seeds.
As Dutch passion does
not have the "parents"
that DJ Short has (they
only have the seeds, or
"kids" ) "genetic drift"
occurrs. This is what I
was told. This to me
means that the product
Dutch Passion sells and
the product that DJ
Short sells is
different. It may be
MOSTLY the same
genetics, but this
genetic drift is
apparently what counts
for the 15 day flowering
delay. This to me means
that I am not getting
the REAl DEAL and I am
somewhat dissappointed
that this was not made
known to me and that I
had to do a considerable
amount of homework in
order to uncover this.
This "genetic drift"
could also explain the
reason that the Blue
line that Dutch Passion
sells is considerably
cheaper than the "real
deal" DJ Shorts from
Legends. For example,
Blue Moonshine from
Legends (breeder DJ
shorts) cost $100
American, but from Dutch
Passion it only cost $55
American.
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damm there a link where it reads
it too me? Too much too read i
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damm there a link where it reads
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is a playboy player a guy that
goes trying to get play from the
playboys?
geez dude, reading is the key to
knowledge and power; work on it
some.
-Telepod |
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Damn, ROFLMAO!
I actually find this one to be
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hey when shatibaba or dj short
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