PC CLUB TOPIC: PROGRAMMING TO: (xxxxxxx) FROM: BILL HOGAN (TWDX23A) SUBJECT: COLL/H.S. PROGRAMMING DATE: 04/24/93 [edited 08sep00] I don't know what you heard, but what I said to was this: "I would be remiss in my duties as a citizen if I did not at least urge you to consider for a moment the possibility that 'programming' in the sense of concocting recipes that presumably have a certain presumably known effect upon a given stepwise-imperative (von Neumann) machine is not the best way to begin preparing the current generation of high school students for the jobs they will be expected to be able to do ten or fifteen years hence because, if it is not the best way, then we are misleading those students, to say the very least." To clarify the difference between what you propose and what I propose, I have taken the trouble to put the two propositions right next to each other, as follows: -----------------------------|---------------------------- *You advocate* | *I advocate* -----------------------------|---------------------------- informal language that | formal language that presumably describes | demonstrably specifies what computer program | what computer program is supposed to do | is supposed to do -----------------------------|---------------------------- *plus* | *plus* -----------------------------|---------------------------- informal transformation of | formal transformation of informal language that | formal language that presumably describes | demonstrably specifies what computer program | what computer program is supposed to do | is supposed to do -----------------------------|---------------------------- *equals* | *equals* -----------------------------|---------------------------- computer program that | computer program that presumably does what | in fact does what informal language that | formal language that presumably describes | demonstrably specifies what computer program | what computer program is supposed to do | is supposed to do presumably says | demonstrably says -----------------------------|---------------------------- I quite agree with you that employing formalisms like Pascal to manipulate computers focuses attention on the "How?" part of the process of solving a problem, but the "How?" part comes AFTER the "What?" part, not before! The reactions I am getting fit into a familiar pattern: Nothing new. It won't work. It won't work as well as what we're already doing. It won't work any better than what we're already doing. It's obnoxious! It's proponents are obnoxious! These ploys didn't stop progress in the 1950's, when the predecessors of today's programming languages were being introduced, and they won't stop progress in the 1990's, as the successors to today's programming languages are introduced. Ten or fifteen years from now, the market for hand-made computer programs is going to be about as large as the market for hand-made TV sets today -- whether you or I like it or not -- and, in my opinion, for anyone to lead the current generation of high school students to expect otherwise would be utterly irresponsible. (bill-CA)