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SLOVENIA AND NO MAN'S LAND

A profound cinematic coincidence?

by e. lategano, july 2002

Winner of this years Oscar for Best Foreign Film, Bosnian director Danis Tanović has something to be proud of. Set in Bosnia and Herzegovina, 1993, during the war between Bosnian-Serbs and Muslims, No Man's Land is a tale about the ironies and intricacies of a "second marriage" gone bad, in which step children of different heritage and blood are brought together under the same household, namely the former Yugoslavia, and are suffering the effects of divorce. The film brings into full consciousness all the inner envy, differences and animosities that false siblings being held together by a strong family unit usually manage to subdue and maintain.

With the making of No Man's Land, Slovenia (along with co-producers from France, Belgium, Italy, and England) has got involved in this bold re-telling of a war that hit close to home. Basically an obscure nation in terms of cinematic accomplishment, Slovenia could very well take this opportunity to gain wider recognition as being a country worth collaborating with, not only for its poetic landscape, ideal for inexpensive location shooting, but also for its creative and resourceful film-makers and local crew.

Ljubljana Life spoke with Dunja Klemenc, one of the Slovenian-based producers of No Man's Land, about the significance of Slovenia's role in this internationally acclaimed film.

Q: To start, could you introduce yourself to our readers. 

A: Well, I'm Dunja Klemenc, producer at Studio Maj, one of the 19 small, independent film production studios in Slovenia. I've been working as a film producer for my entire working life. After finishing my studies at the Dramatic Arts Academy in Belgrade, with a specialization in organization and production, which gave me a basic and solid foundation in this field, I went on to a position at Belgrade TV, and later, Novisad TV. After moving to Ljubljana, I worked with educational film at the University of Ljubljana, until moving into and 11-year position at TV Slovenia as a producer for the Children and Youth Programming Department. At present, I'm a freelance film producer and also President of the United Slovene Film Producers Association of Slovenia.

Q: In terms of Slovene film history, how important a role did No Man's Land play in the recognition of Slovenia on the international market?

A: I think it's exceptionally important because any film that wins an Oscar has the advantage of being known by everybody. It is well known that the film was entirely shot in Slovenia, with the exception of a one-day studio shoot in Antwerp, Belgium, and that awakened great interest among people because our work was professionally and precisely done. Slovene film professionals worked in all areas of production, there was also an exceptional creative crew, for example the Scenographer, Costumographer, and Make-up Artist. Also, the entire lighting and set design crew were Slovene, aside from the head of the team who was brought in from Belgium, but not because they didn't trust our ability but because that's customary in the film world (since they provided the camera). The Belgians were co-producers and since we couldn't communicate in Flemish, we spoke in French or English. The most important thing with this type of (international crew) is to be able to understand one another, not necessarily through language, but if the crew are masters in their professions, you can also come to an understanding with just a look. But of course, the language of film is an international one. Knowledge of English can never hurt, however it was the French language, in this case, that was key in our communication. I couldn't work without knowing how to speak French, you need to be quick in communicating over the phone, with technical terminology. And I think that younger, up-and-coming professionals in this field should make sure to learn a world-known language.

Q: So would you say Slovenia is of interest to international film makers because of its wide variety of locations, or is it because of the talent of the crew and their ability to communicate in foreign languages?

A: It's the combination of all. Because Slovenia is small and because we don't have, or haven't for many years had a strong film industry, people have forgotten about us. 40 years ago, Ljubljana was known as having an exceptionally strong center for co-production filming, with great artistic potential.

Q: What does Slovenia have to offer the world of film-making that you can't find anywhere else?

A: Perhaps that for such a small place, we have locations ranging from the sea to high mountain ranges, and we, thank goodness, still have the Viba Film studio in Piran and a new film studio in Ljubljana which is being built close to the Drama theater, which is very smart.

Q: How did you get involved in the making of No Man's Land?

A: The producer who brought this project to us, Čedomir Kolar, my former college and closest friend from school, knew that any money brought to myself and Igor Pediček, who is my partner and owner of Studio Maj and Film Studio Casablanca, would be in good hands and that he wouldn't have to worry whether we would use the money uneconomically, or whether we'd use it in the film's best interest, because this was Tanović's debut, so this was extremely important.

Q: What was it like working with Danis Tanović?

A: (Laughing) Working with him was simply a pleasure. He's a young director, he was only slightly fearful at the beginning. He's a person who's come from the hell of the Bosnian war, he was on the front lines, so he was able to move past his own fears to work on the film. He didn't know whether he would be able to adequately show what was in his head. He's the kind of person who maintains the images of the film in his head, you could immediately see that with him, and in reality, he was never unsure. Maybe he didn't know some things because he'd never worked as an assistant director on a feature film and couldn't draw from experience, but he knew what he wanted, and we helped him find the right locations, of course that goes without saying. He's a very realistic person who knows what he can get and works only to get exactly that, he doesn't reach for the impossible. He was never annoying, he didn't act like a celebrity, and continued being like that on the recent shooting for his new film that we again cooperated together on, which means that we've found a good basis for a working relationship together.

Q: So do you have plans to cooperate with him again in the future?

A: We were involved in his last project which was made in Bosnia (shot in June 2002). For his next film, which will be an English production, we'll most likely not have any involvement. We will, however, cooperate with him as producers, where we can either act as co-producers or as executive producers again.

Q: Was it difficult to approach the theme of No Man's Land as a Slovene person?

A: (Adamantly) No, no. For me, that film was exclusively an art film. It was a declaration of survival from someone who had survived (the war). But it was difficult to work on the film that we just shot with Danis, a short film called My September 11th, when we went to find locations in Sarajevo, Mostar and the surrounding areas. The area is still affected, and we can't forget that Yugoslavia is my homeland, and Slovenia was only a part of that... And in just 10 years... some people refer to there being a Yugo-Nostalgia, but it's not. I don't long for the bad things to come back. But I do long for the people who were good, for the things which were... Bosnia and its diversity, the seaside and its beauty, Macedonia and her beautiful songs and singing. That was a part of me, the larger part of my life. And their suffering affected me. During the war I lived with some refugees who were film crew workers who'd come to Ljubljana, whose pain was expressed extremely discretely, and if they were proud of being Bosnian, not for a moment did I hold it against them. And I took on the personal challenge to help them to find work, to be successful in Slovenia. And I succeeded and feel very lucky.

When you ask me how it affected me... when I recently went to Bosnia, I asked around for my acquaintances, friends, and people I just knew of from that area, the number of those who'd died was catastrophic, they were young, most of them were young, more young died than old, and there are some who are, at this very moment, deadly ill and are disappearing in front of our eyes. War is, of course, the worst that can happen, and those who didn't react in due time are guilty for it all.

Q: Do you think that more former Yugoslav filmmakers would like to cooperate with Slovene film producers because the Slovenes understand where they're coming from, or do they prefer to take their projects elsewhere because there is some animosity left over for Slovenia having escaped the wrath of war?

A: No, people who are in the film business all line up in coming to Slovenia for collaboration, and we'd like to work with as many of them as possible. It's just that Slovenia has so little money in its film fund that those kinds of collaborations are small in number. At the same time, we still understand one another's languages, although the younger ones may have more difficulty, and also the cultural history that we have together was the same for 70 years. Therefore we more easily understand one another, we get along, can sing the same songs together at night, even if we don't know the words, we know the melodies, we get the point of things between one another. On No Man's Land, no one thought about what country or tribe anyone was from, people hung out together in their own film sectors, and that's to be expected.

Q: What about your collaboration with the other countries that were involved, France, Belgium, Italy, England, you were talking before about language and how important that is, were there difficulties in establishing who was responsible for what part of the film?

A: Aside from Igor and myself, no one else was responsible for the shooting of the film. All other partners were involved in the financing, and arranged their own crews. The Belgians provided the Director of Photography, the Italians dealt with the editing, I only went there to have a look out of curiosity, whereas the Belgian producer didn't come at all because she had other work to do. The English producers oversaw the financing and additional funding. Otherwise, she was present during shooting because she was responsible for the two English actors, making sure they felt comfortable on the set, and of course they felt great and didn't have any special needs. We didn't have to divide up our separate functions, there was a logical division, for example since the camera was from Belgium, everything in connection to that was handled by them. Of course, the executive producer, Čedomir Kolar, had to coordinate everything and I assisted him. It was an ideal collaboration, if you work with someone for all those years, then it's easy to figure things out.

Q: So, if I've understood you correctly, Tanović first contacted Mr. Kolar?

A: Yes, he brought him the script, then I got the text, and so Igor and I went to the Slovene Film Fund... everything went very quickly, from the day I came to know of Danis Tanović till the actual shoot, not even 8 months had passed.

Q: How was the shooting of Tanović's latest film different from the first?

A: The shooting itself wasn't really different, aside from the fact that Danis felt at home in Bosnia, that he took his crew from a very narrow circle of artists from home who could help him make the film; the cameraman is the father of his best friend, the Costumographer is also a friend, the Scenographer is a person who's worked on a number of other films and who he had always wanted to work with. But nevertheless, he said that when he sees our production secretary Majda Grudnova, one night he came and said (feigning a boisterous voice), "Majda, when I see you, I know I'm making a film". He said, "Dunja goes to festivals, I don't know if those are real. But when I see you and your note pad, I know we're making a film". So we have a natural cooperation, friendly. It's nice.

Q: To wind up, do you have any message in the name of the Slovene film industry that you'd like to get across to foreigners?

A: I don't know, maybe that if anyone knows of filmmakers who'd like to cooperate with us, we welcome them and are sure they won't be sorry!


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