Live the Dream
July–August 2006
WesterCon Special


Unless otherwise noted, all events are at 8515 Penfield in Winnetka, directions on last page.
For all events: RSVP the LTD Hotline, 818-886-0069.


Polyamorous Meet Point WesterCon
(Science Fiction Convention July 1-4 2006)
July 4th
Polyamorous Meet Point - Sunday Morning at 11 am. Join us for Bagels, Cream cheese, Fruit, and a chance to connect with like-minded people.

Were you inspired by the Line Marriage from MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS, warmed by the Nest in STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND, fascinated by the even more unusual group marriages/empathic groupings in Spider Robinson�s STAR DANCE and CALLAHAN stories? Dreams can come true. This get-together is for those already into multiply committed relationships and those who want to learn more about them. People like us do not exist only in SF books! Come meet some kindred spirits. We'll share our experiences in real triads, group houses, open marriages, etc.

LOCATION: Ask hotel registration desk for room number of Live the Dream or see note in WesterCon Newsletter.

Note: We�ll be doing something similar at WorldCon August 23-27 at the Anaheim Convention Center and the Anaheim Hilton & Marriott Hotels - more to follow in next News letter.
ANNUAL CAMPING TRIP
6pm July 21st to Sunday July 23
RSVP a MUST by July 15 for early bird rates: 818-886-0069
Camping Starts at 6pm Friday July 21st

Malibu Creek State Park & Leo Carrillo State Beach in Malibu

We will be camping at Malibu Creek in the developed camping area, Tent, RV or Van camping is available. You are welcome to just join us for the day Saturday or Sunday, but do let us know at least a couple of days ahead of time if we are to expect and meet up with you. Cell phone # to reach us at this event only is 818- 388-5612. Forest and sea meet beautifully at this enchanting location.

We�ll spend Saturday enjoying the beach at Leo Carrillo and swimming in the ocean. We may shuttle between Leo Carrillo & Malibu Creek, whatever the group decides on. There will be a marshmallow roast,moon lit walk by the water and an evening swim Saturday night. Sunday we will do brunch at Paradise Cove, a delightful restaurant with a great salad bar, fresh sea food, an ocean view and its own unusual beach! Prices are reasonable. We�ll spend some time enjoying a walk and the scenery after brunch.

Cost for camping: $25 for 1st person in car, + $18 each additional person in same car if check is received by 7-15, $35 for 1st person in car + $25 for each additional person rates apply at campsite.

Send check made out to:

Success Center
8515 Penfield Ave
Winnetka, Ca. 91306

or call 818-886-0069 to put it on a credit card. Saturday night dinner, marshmallows and camping fees for Friday and Saturday nights are provided by LTD. All other meals are bring your own food.

Etiquette of Alternative Life Styles
Saturday, August 19, 11am to 4pm
Saturday Night at the Movies Party/Sleepover
4pm Saturday to Noon Sunday

We will discuss a number of different scenarios which can come up in poly dating whether you are single and looking for a primary, a couple looking for a third or a triad seeking more partners. Bring your own scenarios, too, and we�ll do some role playing to try out alternative solutions.

Pot luck lunch at 1pm -- bring something healthy and delicious to share.

We�ll watch Substitute Wife (a very unusual story about a triad formed in the Old West), Summer Lovers or another Poly movie on our Big Screen TV - Other TVs available for B5, Star Trek, Firefly or something else from a very extensive SF/F DVD collection. For dinner we will order Pizza or Chinese � whatever people want. Bring sleeping gear and towel/sandals for clothing optional hot tub (available all afternoon and evening) � with a variety of music playing inside it. Perhaps Sunday brunch at Hometown Buffet or ???

Poly Dating Etiquette
by Terry Brussel-Gibbons
If you are a couple meeting another couple, dinner at one of your homes is generally best. Again as a couple, inviting single male to your home for a first meeting over dinner, is appropriate. If you are a couple meeting a single lady the best way we've found to handle it is to court her together. Take her out and treat her nicely--let her know that dating a couple doesn't mean giving up the joys of romantic single dating, but doubles them instead! The husband is taking both of the ladies out--he should pick up the check without a fuss. The single lady can reciprocate later with dinner at her place if things work out. If the single is male and you go out together, he and the husband should split the check--you are both taking her out. None of this on who pays applies to feminist ladies who wouldn't think of allowing a man to buy her dinner--but we've run into amazingly few of those in this movement.

Three in The Car

If you all go out together as three, the wife and single lady should alternate sitting in the front seat if your car has bucket seats. In the case of a couple dating a single man, the gentleman whose car is being driven will usually drive with the lady beside him. Three in front is much better if you have a vehicle which can do it.

Three at a Restaurant

If you are going to a restaurant, plan things so that round booth seating (preferable) or individual chairs avoid the couple sitting on one side and the single on the other. Whether that single is male or female, avoid anything with a two against one feel to it.

Couples Together and Apart

Be sure you not only do the obvious of sitting in cars or restaurants with the opposite sex member of the other couple, but spend time with the same sex one, too. This goes for separate meetings, too. The gentlemen can go to a computer fair together while the ladies go for a drive or whatever. You are all in a relationship together if this works out.

Separate Dating-Couple with a Single

Depending on the couple's comfort level with it, after getting to know them both on two or three joint meetings, you as a single male could offer to take the lady alone out for lunch, dinner or even a play. This works particularly well if her husband gets to go to some meeting or activity he is really interested in but she is not while you entertain her. You, as the male member of a couple, can also ask the single lady out, assuming this is ok with your wife--best to have your wife assure her that it is especially if your previous meetings have been as three.

What Do We Do When...

You are in a quadrad. You and your husband have a date with a couple you are in relationship with for an intimate evening. The other man in your triad comes in after a sweaty job for a shower. He takes the shower, comes out and gets eye contact with your husband�s date (who he has had ample previous contact with) and joins them in bed. They have a lovely time, but when wife #2 gets back from her date with another member of your household, she is angry at not to have been consulted about her exclusion from this date with the couple. This is discovered when the visiting couple go home and husband #2 attempts to come to bed. He finds his clothes etc tossed outside the door the bedroom of wife #2 with a Do Not Disturb sign on her door. He sleeps with his other wife and husband while she sleeps alone.

Whether wife #2 (who has joined the triad after they had been together four years) has reason to be disturbed depends on several factors: How well does she know the visiting couple? Would they have been comfortable with her being added into the mix?Was she told previously that this would be a private date between the original couple and their guests? Would it have been reasonable for Husband #2 to have disturbed her during her date to ask if it was ok for him to join the other couples in bed? Is she comfortable being by herself upon occasion�or not? Some things are a bit spontaneous at the time and the only way to avoid upset is to discuss a lot of hypotheticals in advance realizing that you can�t cover them all. Write down what you will do about the hypotheticals. When one comes up which has not been previously planned for, give your partners the benefit of the doubt and discuss among you how this could best be handled in the future to create a win-win for all involved rather than getting upset that the situation wasn�t properly handled this time.

The above situation could have occurred in a triad without the fourth partner. In our case, husband #2 was frequently not included in our dates with other couples or singles for a number of reasons ranging from their comfort level with his extra weight to whether the dynamics of that particular situation made it best for him to be included at that time. He was not interested in being included when the single was male, for example. In other cases where he might have wanted to be included, he accepted that it just wasn�t going to happen with this person or couple or on this occasion. We worked all this out long before we became a quad. Some of our standing rules probably need to be renegotiated or at least clarified with a fourth person in the mix.

Much of what effects the above scenario comes down to whether separate dating is ok at all or if all must be included every time. I am not comfortable with an all or nothing rule. It is too limiting for me, particularly when I have relationships predating any of those I have with my quad. Others accept all or nothing as the price of having committed relationships or a marriage. Some even accept monogamy as the price of such a relationship.

Know Where You Stand

There are many ins and outs to the etiquette of poly dating. Much of it depends on the agreements a couple (triad or quad) has with each other before another person enters the picture. Contrary to popular beliefs, having an open relationship often does not mean �Anything goes." Some couples date only together, while others have a limit of one evening and/or night out a month or a week separately. Some require a week's warning about a whole night out while others just need a call that same night letting the spouse know they'll be out until morning. Couples (triads and quads), be sure you are clear on such agreements between yourselves and that you make them clear to prospective intimate friends before someone gets hurt feelings through not knowing the rules.

If you have a �What do you do when...?� for publication please E-Mail it to [email protected] or send it to 8515 Penfield Ave. Winnetka, Ca. 91306. We will take it with your solution or brain storm and give it one or more of our own. Let�s have fun with this and learn from each other.

WHAT EXPERIENCES, BOOK REVIEWS, ETC, CAN YOU SHARE RELATING TO THE POLY LIFESTYLE?
KNOW OF ANY OTHER POLY RELATED EVENTS?
LET US KNOW ABOUT THEM!


GIVE US YOUR STORIES

We need your stories for research purposes your names will remain anonymous. If you have been hassled by the government for your lifestyle, particularly by any child services department, we want to hear from you by phone, in writing or by E-Mail.



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Winnetka, CA 91406
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