Posted by Tallyman [Tallyman] on March 29, 1999 at 19:40:11 {7nb3mCfGvUpmbQ/.WI6gN/HynnShjY}:
In Reply to: Re: Elder's manual posted by Harold on March 28, 1999 at 21:56:39:
Harold,
See the thread below that "Anne Nahnimoss" started FORBIDDEN Watchtower document and click the link provided.
First off, demonstrating that the old and not so old Watchtower literature is in demand and valuable! Don't throw it away. It is so nice and handy to throw it back into the face of its originators.
I had people writing me, saying if they did not wn the Elder Manual at bid, if I could photocopy it for them. I had some nasty replies asking if I had to kill an elder to get a copy. I had several asked where and how I got a copy. One brazen jehovah witness sister named Mary had this to say and here's part of my reply back:
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999
16:23:26 EST
To: @intrex.net
Subject: Curious....
Hi, I saw your offering of the Watchtower Society Elders manual. Just
curious, where did you get this copy? Thanks for answering....
Mary
Hello Mary,
I'm
strictly business when it comes to eBay,
and as any smart businessman would do when asked about
the origin of his rare and hard-to-find items up for sale,
he would be hesitant to reveal his sources...
I can say this much
though.
This particular Watchtower society item is VERY Eye-Opening.
The contents would tend to dispel any "Polly-Annish" notions
the typical person might have regarding the Watchtower society.
Mary,
Now I'm curious.
I've
had unusual responses coming in because of this item.
I'm curious as to what aroused your curiosity about this item
and prompted you to write to me from out of the blue.
I did my best to diplomatically respond to your
query.
Will you return the favor?
Why were you curious about the origin of this item?
What is it about this particular item that aroused your curiosity.
Thanks for answering...
T
her second e-mail:
T,
Sure,
I'll answer your question. What kind of responses have you gotten? I
wrote because I was so surprised one of these books would have surfaced on E-
Bay for auction. These are handed out only to elders and are then to be
returned
if anyone is not longer serving as an elder. So I was curious as to
how you got a hold of a copy. I also assumed you weren't one of Jehovah's
Witnesses, since you are selling it. That's the honest truth. Any other
questions,
go ahead and ask.
Mary
And then I roughed her up a little bit...:
>T,
>Sure, I'll answer your question.
>What kind of responses have you gotten?
Mary,
I see you ask me another question BEFORE you
answer my question.
You really are the curious sort.
I've gotten many responses.
I must've touched a nerve or struck a chord or...
Some of the responses were from a jehovah witnesses
who claimed raising as a jehovah witness
and had always
heard about this Elder Manual and was planning to bid on it,
but in case they did not win, wondered if I'd be willing
to make photocopies of it and sell them a copy.
I had another respond by sending me a link to a
site in Denmark
which has the entire contents of the manual online.
Here it is: http://home2.inet.tele.dk/carloc/index.htm
Are you curious enough to go take a peek, Mary?
Or would you be in violation of Watchtower Law?
I've had
quite a few other responses from jehovah witnesses
who asked the same question as you, with the strong implication
that I was not permitted to be in possession of it.
Some were quite nasty about it.
One asked me if I had to
kill an elder to get it.
>I wrote because I was so surprised one of these books
>would have surfaced on E- Bay for auction.
Why would that be so surprising?
Is the Watchtower Net so pervasive that you thought
it
impossible for a few little fish to escape?
Did you think it was foolproof in reining in all its
sensitive materials?
Next time, instead of expressing "surprise" or 'shock',
use your imagination. Explore the
possibilities.
>These are handed out only to elders and are then to be
>returned if anyone is not longer serving as an elder.
You are telling me something new?!
I highlighted in bold that caption which appears
inside the book.
Did you take note of that, before you fired off an e-mail?
I employed that tactic and others along with sensationalism
in the technical description to (hopefully) heighten desire
for this piece of "forbidden
fruit".
Also, do you think the world at large is bound by Watchtower Laws?
I've talked to jehovah witnesses who seem deluded to the point
that this is somewhat the case- that non-jehovah witnesses
are "duty-bound" to obey
Watchtower House Rules.
>So I was curious as to how you got a hold of a copy.
Is your curiosity native or morbid?
If it is morbid, you know what you can do, Mary?
When the auction of the Elder Manual ends,
go
click on the 'Bid History' after the auction
and e-mail all those bidders, like you did me,
and ask them Your Curiosity Questions.
Ask them if they are jehovah witnesses and that they are
in Gross Violation of Watchtower Law
for even bidding on
this item and give them a stern lecture and then tell them
that you plan to look up their personal
information on eBay, find out where they live
and turn them in to their own local elders
for immediate
and harsh discipline.
>I also assumed you weren't one of Jehovah's Witnesses,
>since you are selling it.
If you assumed that (and correctly so, I might add)
then why in the heck did you write me?
I certainly
assumed you were a jehovah witness.
Know how?
Because there are few people around who are so brazen and rude
as jehovah witnesses who develop a thickness and crass attitude
as a result of years worth of banging on doors,
intruding into
folks' private affairs at their homes and have the unmitigated gall
to tell them they are going to die
if they don't hook up with your sect.
This is the product of an acquired arrogance of thinking
they are
a "chosen people" and have the right to meddle and dictate.
Instead of reading your fluffy fantasies such as
Anne of Green Gables or Polly Anna,
you need to go out, secure a copy of Amy Vanderbilt's
"Rules of Etiquette" and
learn a little common courtesy.
You violated eBay privileges by e-mailing me
and trying to dig information from me which was totally
unrelated to entering into a potential transaction and
concerning details of my item up for
bid.
(I notice you did not place a bid on my item)
eBay is NOT a chat room.
Too, you violated just standard common-sense business ethics
by probing where I acquired an item put up for auction.
If I wasn't such a diplomat,
I
should have initially answered you with:
"It's none of your damned business!"
>That's the honest truth.
A bit redundant, that is.
The "honest truth"...
as opposed to the "dishonest" truth?
There are few
things more dishonest than your watchtower "truth".
>Any other questions, go ahead and ask.
>Mary
I already know MORE than I needed to.
So long.
T