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| HinduUnity call | |
| CHOOSE DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR! IF YOU ARE A HINDU, THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS WORLD THAN YOUR MOTHER LAND - BHARAT! FIGHT IF YOU MUST! DIE IF YOU MUST! NO HINDU CAN ASK FOR A BETTER DEATH THAN DEFENDING THEIR MAATRU BHOOMI (Mother Land). TAKE THE OATH TO BECOME A SOLDIER OF HINDUTVA TODAY! |
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| ITS NOT MY DEATH ALONE! IT IS DEATH AND PAIN AND
DEVASTATION OF MY FAMILY TOO, FOR BENEFIT OF LAWYERS. MY CHILD EVEN BEFORE BHARAT! FIGHT IF YOU MUST, BUT ONLY IF YOU SEE A REASONABLE CHANCE OF SUCCESS! DIE IF YOU MUST IF IT ACCOMPLISHES SOMETHING! NO HINDU CAN ASK FOR A BETTER DEATH THAN DEFENDING THEIR MAATRU BHOOMI (Mother Land). OH YES THEY CAN. TAKE THE OATH TO BECOME A SOLDIER OF HINDUTVA TODAY! WHAT DOES IT ENTAIL? MONEY AND TIME ABUSED BY SOMEONE? WHO POLICES MY EFFORTS? WHO METAPOLICES THE POLICE? |
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Here one can clearly see that the Quran is openly saying to the muslims to give a torturous death to those who are non-believers of the Islamic faith. XCVIII/6: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the people of the Scripture and idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. From the above passage you can clearly see that according to Mohammed, Allah has reserved a special place for non- mulsims--HELL! IX/5: Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor- due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. This verse tells us that muslims are free to convert non-muslims by force and brutality. If unsuccessful in doing so, they are free to kill. IX/73: Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. LXIX/30-37: (It will be said)Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat. Here we get a description of how to punish Non Muslims. This is in practice even today in Islamic countries. In fact, the Sikh Gurus and their families were tortured by muslims as prescribed in the Quran. For example, Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur on refusing to accept Islam, was brought to the prison in a cage like he was a wild animal. Three of his disciples were murdered in front of him. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He was sawed alive. The other was wrapped up in cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and killed in a similar fashion. We see further support of these types of torments in the verses below. XLIV/43-50: LO! the tree of Zaqqum (The tree that grows in the heart of hell bearing fruits like devil's heads) - the food of the sinner. Like molten brass, it seethed in their bellies as the seething of boiling water. (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell, then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water. Saying: TASTE! LO! thou wast forsooth the mighty, the noble! Lo! this is that whereof ye used to doubt. IX/123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). IV/144: O Ye who believe! choose not disbelievers for your friends in place of believers. Would you give Allah a clear warrant against you ? This verse clarifies the fact that a true Muslim can never be a friend of a person of another faith. People who believe otherwise are under delusion. IX/29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility. |
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| excellent ADMIRABLE issues | |
| Let Muslims answer these. | |
| Historical revision | |
| India has been the birthplace of science over ages.
Takshashila University( in Pakistan now) was a great centre of learning
where students from Iran and further west came to study.
In the first millennium BC, Iran was highly Indianite and could be
considered an expansion of Indian culture and civilization. At the
western fringe of it was Asia Minor, modern Turkey,
which was a place of interaction between Greeks and Iranians (Turks did
not live there then). In the 6th century BC, Iran expanded its
boarders to include Assyria, Babylon, whole of Asia Minor and major parts
of Greece. Egypt also fell to Iran soon after. Thus while Iran was engaged
in expansion on its western boarders, its eastern part was in peace
, continuously receiving Indian knowledge and religion. Zoroaster, fifth
century BC, lived in the eastern reaches of Persia, not far from India,
and his belief to wage war on evil ,and the idea of constant struggle
between good and bad , light and darkness, is believed by the
scholars of history of theology, to be Indian (Upanishadic) in origin.
Monotheism had reached a full development in the Upanishad literature in
India, from which Zoroastrianism, Judaism , and also Akhenaton of Egypt
(1350 BC) had borrowed it. Upanishadic knowledge did not stay
long in Egypt and faded away soon after the death of its only patron
Akhenatan. Mithraism was another branch of Vedic religion
which spread widely over Iran, South Europe and Egypt. Mithra is a Vedic
God ( the Sun-God). Mithras celebrated the birthday of God (Sun) on
the 25th December which became adapted by the Christians as the date of
birth of God (Jesus). These religions of Indian origin in Middle East,
introduced the principle of righteousness and monotheism to Judaism and
Christianity and thereby to Islam later. Hence the ethical monotheism, the
back bone of Judaism, Christianity and Islam found its origin in Hinduism. Apart from these, Indian wandering monks traveled the breadth and length of this whole area. From Western sources we know that in the third century BC, a big Indian community lived at Alexandria in Egypt with their Vedic sannyasins as well as Buddhist bhikshukas. Indian sea- traders also dominated the sea -trade up to the period of rise of Islam. It was under this background that the Indian religions, philosophies and science traveled to the West to enlighten it in the ancient times. It is also relevant to clarify here that the central dogma of Hinduism is knowledge. It believes that knowledge of truth is the ultimate goal of life. Hinduism encourages its followers to seek out the truth. Hinduism also recognizes that although there is only one absolute truth, because of limitations of human sense organs and mind , truth may be conceived differently by different individuals under different circumstances. Therefore tolerance for differing opinions was preached. Tolerance for difference of opinion is the first requirement for growth of knowledge in any society. The sages said knowledge is relative. Thus Hinduism gave the theory of Relativity for the first time and also tried to formulate a unified field theory in the field of Physics, in the form of the theory of Brahman for the first time. Law of cause and effect was doctrinated, excluding Divine Will out of the chain of cause and effects and karma, not the fate was responsible for what people got in their lives. The doctrine of Karma making people responsible for their acts and denial of the doctrine of divine will and fate were the first seeds of modern attitude and scientific temper. Truth was considered a subject of investigation , not of belief. Every cause has an effect and this effect becomes a cause for another effect. The Universe ( samsara) is but total of the complex system of causes and effects flowing in time. Hindu religion encouraged people to know and experience God rather than to believe Him. Because of this investigative temper, India was ahead of all other nations in science and mathematics till her subjugation by Muslim conquest in the 12th century. On the other hand, Jewish religion was based on the faith that only their God is real and all others false. Hence it was not only belief in one God but it was also a belief in correctness of only one religion. Christians also adopted the same attitude and Islam also asserted the same. Fighting the nonbeliever was considered a prime duty of the believers. The words of the God as revealed to the Prophet is final and anything contradicting them has to be destroyed. This gave the concept of heresy. |
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| Regardless of accuracy concerns, why is the history important when I say it nether justifies, nor opposes anything? How can callers of astrologers as scientists be trusted ever at all? | |
| So called Greece knowledge | |
| History of knowledge in Europe starts with Pythagorus.
Pythagoras, in the 6th century BC was the first European( Greek) who
brought Indian knowledge and mathematics to Greece in an organised
way. He was the first European to convert completely to Hinduism also.
Pythagorus was born around 560 BC , on Samos an island not far from the
coast of the Asia Minor .His mother was probably a native of Samos but his
father was probably a Phoenician. His life history was
recorded from oral traditions a couple of centuries after his death, and
even that information has survived only in fragments. After studying the very best available in his country (music and gymnastics) he set out for more. He went to Egypt which had already received Indian Geometry through its contact with Indians as well as with Indo-Iranians and had then scholars teaching geometry and a bit of astrology. During his stay in Egypt, Egypt was invaded by Iran and he was brought to Iran as a captive , where he stayed at Babylon and other cities. Babylon was no more a Semitic city by that time, and it had been thoroughly Indo-Iranized in language, religion and knowledge at least a century earlier, when the Medes and the Persians thoroughly overran the country of Babylon, and it was now a part of Persian Empire and culturally a part of Indo-Iran. Probably, Pythagorus went to the Punjab and thence to the Himalayas as well. It thoroughly changed his life style and thinking. He permanently rejected the long Greek robes, and adopted trousers turning away from Ionian culture and identifying himself strongly with the East. Before Pythagorus, trousers were not known to Europe. Woollen trousers were worn by Indians living at high altitudes in the Himalayas, like people of Nepal, Laddakh, Tibet, Kashmir etc. ( The statue of Indian king Kanishka, found in Afghanistan, is wearing a long double-breasted coat and trousers). Variants of trousers like pyjamas and shalwar were worn in the northern plains of Indo-Iran. The costume which Pythagorus introduced into the Europe was going to become the ethnic costume of the West!! Having lived twenty years in the east, he returned to Europe and settled in Croton, a Greek speaking town of South Italy. He formed an order of ascetics devoted to develop a sense of community with the help of religious injunctions and instructions. This was aimed to give the members a real insight into the concordant nature of universe. He preached that the world, like human society, was held together by the orderly arrangement of its parts, and it then became their clear duty to cultivate order in their own lives. He was now acting as an ambassador of Hinduism to the West. Pythagorians believed in transmigration of life through different life forms. His contemporary poet Xenophanes writes: Pythagoras was once passing by when a man was beating a dog .He took pity on the animal and said, Stop it; Indeed it is the soul of a friend of mine; I recognised it when I heard its voice. Pythagoras was even able to recall the details of his own previous incarnations. Pythagorus preached the essential unity and kinship of all forms of life which is the fundamental principle of Hinduism (and also of other later Indian religions) . He preached non-violence and banned killing and eating animals in his order of ascetics. He was a firm believer in Karmic law and preached immortality of existence. The human body is temporary ,therefore one must purify the soul by abstaining from bodily pleasure. By these means soul would ultimately win release from the wheel of becoming and realise its true divine status. Pythagoreans believed that anyone who downgraded his life by immoral and impure acts will be born as animal in his next life. A particular type of sayings, he named akousmata (things heard) which were probably Greek translation of the shruti ( Sk. Things heard). In his brotherhood, members were of two kinds. Acousmatics would visit him and seek guidance on how to lead a simple ,non-violent and virtuous way of life. Others called Mathematikoi lived inside the math (monastery) and studied the nature of reality more deeply. From mathematik is derived the word mathematics. Pythagorians studied and further developed the science of mathematics and philosophy which was brought to them from India by their great Guru. The reaction started by Pythagorus resulted in a boom of scholarship in Greece and finally we find authorities like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Heraclides, Eratosthenes, Archemedes, Euclid etc. During this whole period transfer of knowledge from India to Greece was never interrupted. This may be assumed from the fact that whatever theory was given in India e.g. atomic theory, theory of micro-organism, theory of non-dualism, Brahman, atman, the five elements ( the Greeks accepted only four, and did not include space ), medicine, the three doshas or whatever; it appears in Greek translation soon after. It was a good thing. A living and growing civilisation is always ready to find out and assimilate whatever valuable it notices in other civilisations. |
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| And according to my ex-mother-in-law, all the ancient Indians who could afford it roamed around in Wiman i.e. planes. How come they manufactured them with no blueprints (we had no blueprint grade paper), industrial infrastructure beats me. How the ghazi, and moguls, and Huns enslave up despite, I don't know. | |
| Brahmins | |
| Why Indians did not pursue their quest of knowledge after
12th century? India had a several thousand years old tradition of
education, research and training. After Delhi fell to the Turk rulers, the
great Indian universities were demolished. Libraries were burnt down. The
village schools spread all over the country got starved of funds. The Govt
funds would now go to muderssas which would teach Koran and Arabic and
Persian languages. Even the Indian texts on science and philosophy were
translated into Arabic and Persian. Persian was maintained as the medium
of instruction till the British took over the governance of India, so that
Indians could not take benefit of education. A false allegation has been
labelled to the Brahmanas that they were not imparting education to the
masses. But the fact is that the Brahmanas themselves quickly got deprived
of education and became ignorant within a few generation time after
establishment of Turkish rule. Now Brahmana became a caste and lost the
Varna character. As it became a non-sustainable vocation, teaching
disappeared from the Hindu people. The few Brahmanas who had knowledge,
freely imparted it even to the Muslims. Al-Biruni and Amir Khusaraw etc
were taught Sanskrit language and literature without any consideration of
caste or religion. The Muslim rule converted Brahmanas into priest. This fact can be verified by carefully reading history. In pre-Muslim period we never find mention of a Brahmana who lived in a village doing puja-work (priest craft). They lived as scholars or teachers. They could attend a yajna done by a king as a respected guest. But such occasions were very infrequent. Abolition of education profession compelled the Brahmanas to adopt new professions. Some become village priests. But the majority of Brahmanas never adopted the degrading job of priests. Many Brahmanas who hated priest-craft became farmers like the Chitpawan, Anavil, Mohiyal, Nagar, Tyagi etc and survived on agriculture |
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| Glad they are calling me a brahmin, even though I an not, and I don't care of the caste of my ancestors beyond it getting me a pretty reliable wife. | |
| Philosophy | |
| Conclusion : The knowledge has survived in spite of all
odds against it. Not only in Science , but also in the field of
Modern philosophy, West has borrowed heavily from India. Europe got all of
Indian logic and philosophy through the channel of the Arabs, and
earlier through the Neo-Platonians. Later when the British came to India
they had first hand knowledge of Indin philosophy. Goethe, Schopenhauer
and most of the German philosopher had studied Indian philosophy and most
of them got influenced by it. They in turn influenced the other students
of philosophy by their writings. The monism of Fichte and Hegel might
never have taken taken forms they did if it had not been for
Anquetil-Duperron's translation of the Upanishads and the works of pioneer
Indologists. In English-speaking world the strongest Indian
influence was felt in America where Emerson, Thoreau and other New England
writers avidly studied much Indian religious literature in translation,
and exerted immense influence on their contemporaries and successors,
notably Walt Whitman" writes A. L. Basham. The list of authors who
admitted Indian influence on them is very big and includes such authors as
Carlyle, Richard Jeffries, Edward Carpenter, Stephen Zwig, Romya Rolland,
Jung, etc. Indian influence is visible on all the major authors of
Existential school as well as the Humanistic school of philosophers. At the moment the West is trying to understand the yoga, meditation and transcendental states. The concept of kindness to the animals, vegetarianism, universal brotherhood, tolerance for differing faiths, etc. are gradually becoming more and more popular. Ancient Indian thoughts preserves enormous potentialities for the future of humanity. |
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| Cantfake musings | |
| An excellent summary which will hopefully convince some
obscenely rich westerners to give alms, or pretty westerner to give
affection to this brahmin too. |
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