PepY JivE TurkeY: about what skot said to me at the
cabin
PepY JivE TurkeY: about contact
PepY JivE TurkeY: when i said that there is no earth
time
KsPt173: whatum was that?
KsPt173: o
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz its diff for everyone
PepY JivE TurkeY: and i couldnt figure out why then
PepY JivE TurkeY: but i figured it out when i was
poopin
KsPt173: haha
KsPt173: daz da place.
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz e=mc2 so the larger ur mass
and the higher ur velocity... ur gunna have a diff
time then someone with a smaller mass and
slower velocity
PepY JivE TurkeY: and since the higher u are on the
planet, the faster ur velocity around the earth... ur
time will be diff there too
PepY JivE TurkeY: it will be miniscule... but its still
there
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean... that even applies at the
atomic level
KsPt173: ah yes
PepY JivE TurkeY: the more mass a nucleus has... or
the faster a electron spins... its gunna have a diff
time
PepY JivE TurkeY: its crazy
PepY JivE TurkeY: its insane just to think of time like
that now
PepY JivE TurkeY: as spacetime rather than time
being this ongoing constant that always was and
always will be
PepY JivE TurkeY: time itself has a biggining and an
end
PepY JivE TurkeY: which is crazy
KsPt173: haha
PepY JivE TurkeY: i wish i was raised a long time
from now
PepY JivE TurkeY: where like.... all this stuff was 1st
grade material
KsPt173: hahahaha
KsPt173: yeah
PepY JivE TurkeY: da
PepY JivE TurkeY: according to the stephen hawkings
book... where he got info from other sources... our
universe is pretty stable
PepY JivE TurkeY: its not expanding all that fast
PepY JivE TurkeY: and its not being pulled back
together by the gravity of our galaxies
KsPt173: depends on what u mean by fast
PepY JivE TurkeY: well
PepY JivE TurkeY: in comparison to what it could be
PepY JivE TurkeY: like exponential
PepY JivE TurkeY: ours is pretty stable
PepY JivE TurkeY: compared to that
KsPt173: eh, i suppose
PepY JivE TurkeY: i think one of the ones that will
last the longest
PepY JivE TurkeY: but not forever
PepY JivE TurkeY: eventually it will escape gravity or
pull itself together
PepY JivE TurkeY: its gotta be one or the other
PepY JivE TurkeY: and to think that it just keeps
expanding..
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean
PepY JivE TurkeY: then what
PepY JivE TurkeY: after everything is dead
PepY JivE TurkeY: it cant start over again
PepY JivE TurkeY: can it?
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz if it pulled itself together in
the big crunch... it would be able to big bang
again
KsPt173: if it did, there would be the same exact results for
everything
KsPt173: which is insane.
PepY JivE TurkeY: what
KsPt173: like another big bang, like the one that formed this
universe, would be based on the same collisions, with the same
historical results
PepY JivE TurkeY: not necesarily
PepY JivE TurkeY: it depends on how it crunches
PepY JivE TurkeY: which depends on how it banged
PepY JivE TurkeY: and crunched
PepY JivE TurkeY: hmmm
KsPt173: haha
PepY JivE TurkeY: so ya
KsPt173: maybe we are a crush?
KsPt173: crunch
KsPt173: w/e
PepY JivE TurkeY: shoot
KsPt173: hm, never know.
PepY JivE TurkeY: i cant imagine everything being
exactly the same
KsPt173: that would be freakin insane.
PepY JivE TurkeY: and no one would know
KsPt173: nope
PepY JivE TurkeY: shoot this could be the
100000000000 time we've talked about this
KsPt173: +1
KsPt173: hmmmmmm
KsPt173: just another to add to our list.
PepY JivE TurkeY: which would imply an infinite
amount of like outside time
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz what would stop it from
repeating
PepY JivE TurkeY: nothing
PepY JivE TurkeY: it would just keep going forever
PepY JivE TurkeY: it all depends on those first few
nanoseconds
KsPt173: yup
PepY JivE TurkeY: and holy crap
KsPt173: and if it doesnt change, its all the same, but how could
it change...
PepY JivE TurkeY: stephen hawkings gave some
numbers for that time
PepY JivE TurkeY: the inflation is fucking insane
PepY JivE TurkeY: and the temperature
KsPt173: haha
KsPt173: cha yeah
KsPt173: i bet
PepY JivE TurkeY: its cooling down like nobodies
business
PepY JivE TurkeY: but its still insanely hot
KsPt173: word.
PepY JivE TurkeY: but in an expanding universe
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean
PepY JivE TurkeY: can there be those.... too?
PepY JivE TurkeY: that would mean there has to be
multiple dimensions
PepY JivE TurkeY: where different bangs happene
PepY JivE TurkeY: d
KsPt173: but with the same results... if its the same bang, so
alternate universes would be the same as ours
PepY JivE TurkeY: where every combonation of
collding particles and antiparticles is allowed to
happen
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dont think they would
PepY JivE TurkeY: if the particles start off diff
PepY JivE TurkeY: everything would be diff
KsPt173: yeah
PepY JivE TurkeY: whcih would mean infinite
dimensions
KsPt173: we would prob not exist.... like our race
KsPt173: our planet
KsPt173: definitly
PepY JivE TurkeY: well we are just in one dimension
KsPt173: yea
KsPt173: h
PepY JivE TurkeY: in an infinite amount of others..
we arent
PepY JivE TurkeY: and in an infinite amount of others
we are
PepY JivE TurkeY: which is kinda how i thought of
imaginary time
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz instead of everything going
back to the point of the big bang
PepY JivE TurkeY: it goes back to the plane of the
big bang
PepY JivE TurkeY: a curve, with a plane at the
bottom
KsPt173: with an infinite amout?
KsPt173: amount*
PepY JivE TurkeY: if there is a plane for the big
bang... that means every point is its own universe
KsPt173: hm
PepY JivE TurkeY: and even in the smallest plane,
there is an infinite amount of points
KsPt173: ah, i see what u are saying
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dunno if thats what imaginary
time is meant to suggest, but since i dont
understand it fully... thats what i pulled from it
KsPt173: i get what u are saying though
PepY JivE TurkeY: it makes sense
PepY JivE TurkeY: and if the universe just kept
expanding
PepY JivE TurkeY: im trying to figure out the
evenutality of that
PepY JivE TurkeY: all the stars would burn out..
colapse.. and we'd have black holes everywhere
PepY JivE TurkeY: from those stars big enough to
form them
PepY JivE TurkeY: can a black hole move?
KsPt173: would that cause another like collapse of the universe
then?
PepY JivE TurkeY: like a big black hole pulling a
smaller one
KsPt173: and a reverse bang
KsPt173: i think so
KsPt173: its just gravity
PepY JivE TurkeY: then doesnt that mean ablack hole
can go inside a black hole
PepY JivE TurkeY: what the crap happens then
KsPt173: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: like holy crap
KsPt173: chaos until the unverse collaps on itself and reforms
KsPt173: i suppose.
PepY JivE TurkeY: but its expanding
PepY JivE TurkeY: the gravity cant reach eachother
anymore
KsPt173: but with like all black holes...
PepY JivE TurkeY: would black holes just get bigger
KsPt173: over time... hmmm
PepY JivE TurkeY: until they got giant ginormous
black holes
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz they eat eachother
KsPt173: they would have to
KsPt173: like folding space and stuff, distorting space
KsPt173: that would be cool
PepY JivE TurkeY: all the galaxies drift away... burno
ut... the stars go black holes.. the black holes eat
eachother... the gravity becomes strong enough
again to reach other galaxies black holes and the
pull each other back into a big crunch of black
holes
KsPt173: yup
KsPt173: but, would that cause another bang, or just big A black
hole..
PepY JivE TurkeY: but what if even that wasnt
enough gravity to reach all the way to the other
galaxies
PepY JivE TurkeY: a black hole isnt even matter
PepY JivE TurkeY: wait
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dont think it is
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: it eats all the matter
KsPt173: its matter at a point
PepY JivE TurkeY: of infinite density
KsPt173: infinitly small point.
KsPt173: so yeah...
PepY JivE TurkeY: but how can it be infinite
PepY JivE TurkeY: infinity didnt make it
PepY JivE TurkeY: only so much matter went into
making it
KsPt173: would that make all black holes the same then?
PepY JivE TurkeY: but tehy arent
PepY JivE TurkeY: they already know that the bigger
the star, the bigger the event horizon
KsPt173: then they get infinity +2
KsPt173: hahaha
KsPt173: so just the reach.... so hm...
PepY JivE TurkeY: stephen hawkings said that if a
black hole eats enough, it will expell everything it
ate
PepY JivE TurkeY: like a tummy ache
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: some will pull some in, some wont, they will really just
form smaller systems of blackholes within eachother.
KsPt173: well, then thats back to the big bang
PepY JivE TurkeY: but the gravity cant reach
KsPt173: so when the universe dies, we come back to the bang,
whether in smaller parts or one big one or not
PepY JivE TurkeY: the galaxies are so far apart that
no matter how much mass they join together they
cant reach each other
KsPt173: so we get mini bangs
KsPt173: haha
PepY JivE TurkeY: unless u fired matter back at the
center faster than the expansion
PepY JivE TurkeY: from the expulsion of the black
holes
PepY JivE TurkeY: firing in all directions
PepY JivE TurkeY: including back to the center
PepY JivE TurkeY: so it would just be piece by piece
PepY JivE TurkeY: and a very very long time
KsPt173: like throwing up and eating at the same time?
KsPt173: lol
KsPt173: or what
PepY JivE TurkeY: like the black hole eats up the
stuff... get too much... shoots it back out, in every
direction.. plus the opposite direction that its
galaxy is expanding
PepY JivE TurkeY: so some of that matter would
crash back in the center
PepY JivE TurkeY: unless it missed other matter
PepY JivE TurkeY: and had no reason to stop
PepY JivE TurkeY: then itd go to another galaxy
PepY JivE TurkeY: holy
PepY JivE TurkeY: fucking
PepY JivE TurkeY: shit
PepY JivE TurkeY: that would take
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking
long
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: like a game of monopoly
PepY JivE TurkeY: nobody ever wants to finish
KsPt173: and prob alter w/e the other thing is expelling on
there
PepY JivE TurkeY: the universe would just quit
PepY JivE TurkeY: hahaha
KsPt173: lol
KsPt173: nice
PepY JivE TurkeY: da
KsPt173: universe = monopoly
PepY JivE TurkeY: i gotta email stephen hawkings
KsPt173: got it.
PepY JivE TurkeY: haha
PepY JivE TurkeY: hmmm
PepY JivE TurkeY: i wonder if hed really know
PepY JivE TurkeY: i wonder if i could really email him
too
PepY JivE TurkeY: thatd be so pimp
KsPt173: ahahaha
KsPt173: cha yeah
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz i think its a good question
KsPt173: insanly
PepY JivE TurkeY: whats the eventuality of a
universe that expands exponentially and the
galaxies gravity cant reach no matter what?
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean shoot
PepY JivE TurkeY: has he thought that through
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz its not in the book
KsPt173: cha
KsPt173: i dunno
KsPt173: thats insane though
PepY JivE TurkeY: he just gave the options
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean one that bang and
crunches... thats boring
PepY JivE TurkeY: it goes for infinity doing the same
thing
KsPt173: yup
PepY JivE TurkeY: da
PepY JivE TurkeY: and what the crap happens when u
hit the bottom of a black hole
KsPt173: u are the point
PepY JivE TurkeY: do u just add ur mass to the
infinity
KsPt173: yup yup
KsPt173: thats about all u can do
PepY JivE TurkeY: so if its already infinity... what
determines the point where it cant take anymore
and it throws up
KsPt173: even though u cant occupy the same space.... i
dunno..... blackholes... no physics.
KsPt173: hahaa
KsPt173: no set laws that is.
PepY JivE TurkeY: ya i know
PepY JivE TurkeY: just like the bang and cruch
PepY JivE TurkeY: crunch
PepY JivE TurkeY: physics gets all fucked up
KsPt173: yup yup
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dont even think newtons 3rd law
applies anymore
PepY JivE TurkeY: which makes ... absolutly no sense
to me
PepY JivE TurkeY: since ive taken that on as my code
of the universe
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: the quantum physics at the points
of the crunch and the bang are so important
PepY JivE TurkeY: they determine everything
PepY JivE TurkeY: hmmm
KsPt173: mr reese would know about black holes
KsPt173: ask him
PepY JivE TurkeY: maybe thats even how a bang
crunch universe could be diff each time
KsPt173: he did astrophysics
KsPt173: but it would be the same for the black hole.. same
size... w/e it is...
PepY JivE TurkeY: but i dont see how
KsPt173: how would it be doff
KsPt173: diff*
PepY JivE TurkeY: what would be the same size
KsPt173: the black hole, what its holding
KsPt173: that would imply a set law to them
KsPt173: and physical laws and such
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dont understand why quantum
theory messes that stuff up
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean... it just seems like a
human shortcoming
PepY JivE TurkeY: we cant pin point the velocity and
position of electrons
KsPt173: its like saying "its crazy... who knows..."
KsPt173: hhaha
KsPt173: "THAT DERN SPACE!!!!!"
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: arg
PepY JivE TurkeY: why
PepY JivE TurkeY: i need to ask reece about that too
PepY JivE TurkeY: why does quantum theroy mean
anything to the universe
PepY JivE TurkeY: we dont know the v and p
PepY JivE TurkeY: doesnt mean the universe doesnt
KsPt173: it satisfies stupid scientists
KsPt173: SOMEhow
KsPt173: arg to them.
KsPt173: haha
KsPt173: well.... hm.... its back to the truth thing though....
KsPt173: y try to explore it, no evidence, no way to PROVE it
KsPt173: watch the big bang and eat popcorn.
KsPt173: hm.... dont think thats gonna happen.
PepY JivE TurkeY: hahahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: well u cant prove anything anyway
PepY JivE TurkeY: nothing
PepY JivE TurkeY: all u can do is say "this hasnt
been proven false"
KsPt173: thats true, but within our own human truth, u cant
create that truth
KsPt173: so they can really say w/e they want.
KsPt173: so does it matter what they say.... hm.... guess not.
PepY JivE TurkeY: well nothing matters anyway
PepY JivE TurkeY: at all
PepY JivE TurkeY: our universe is going to die no
matter what
KsPt173: one way or another
PepY JivE TurkeY: so theres not much point to
anything really
PepY JivE TurkeY: unless u believe in time being
infinite after u die and being in heaven or hell...
forever
PepY JivE TurkeY: which i dont
PepY JivE TurkeY: which is why i believe emotion is
the only thing to live for
KsPt173: seems like an awful long time:-(
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: yea
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats why i say heaven would be
my hell
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dont want to be around forever
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats fucked up
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats just too long
PepY JivE TurkeY: i need true peace
KsPt173: i think heaven is emotional freedom, knowing u can
"rest in peace"
PepY JivE TurkeY: my heaven will be when my
conciousness is gone
KsPt173: *hits u over the head*
PepY JivE TurkeY: i have no more thoughts, no more
perception, just random energy
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: word
PepY JivE TurkeY: even in sleep there is still thought
PepY JivE TurkeY: awareness
PepY JivE TurkeY: sentience (sp)
KsPt173: cha, insane amounts im sure
PepY JivE TurkeY: i cant wait till i die
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats how i came otthat conclusion
PepY JivE TurkeY: the universe is going to end
eventually
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dont want to go to this "heaven"
PepY JivE TurkeY: so all i have is my emotions
KsPt173: word
PepY JivE TurkeY: and im living for the happiness
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz i mean
PepY JivE TurkeY: great... i cured cancer
PepY JivE TurkeY: great.... i saved the world
PepY JivE TurkeY: but everyone is gunna die and
everything is gunna be collapsed anyway!
PepY JivE TurkeY: so that doesnt even matter
KsPt173: yup yup
PepY JivE TurkeY: only the happiness i get out of
those things would matter
PepY JivE TurkeY: and since my happiness is
whatever i want to be... whether that be saving
the world... or destroying it... i was happy
PepY JivE TurkeY: and thats all that matters
PepY JivE TurkeY: and night isnt dark without day...
happiness wouldnt be happy without pain
PepY JivE TurkeY: so even tho i strive for the
happiness... i realize that hurt is going to come
too
PepY JivE TurkeY: and the greater the emotional
happiness... the greater the pain as well
KsPt173: so really, u cant work for the "porgression of man" it
wont matter in the end, people need to realize that the self
really matters rather than the benefite of the whole, but with
that, freaakin chaos within society
KsPt173: pro*
PepY JivE TurkeY: yup
PepY JivE TurkeY: and the collapse of all religion
PepY JivE TurkeY: and the collapse of all the weak
PepY JivE TurkeY: and nature selection begins
KsPt173: thats y i dont like organized religion
PepY JivE TurkeY: natureal
PepY JivE TurkeY: natural*
KsPt173: i think its all the self
PepY JivE TurkeY: it is
PepY JivE TurkeY: even if u love someone and would
die for them
PepY JivE TurkeY: even then
PepY JivE TurkeY: ur doing it for urself
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: the onyl true way is to be selfish
PepY JivE TurkeY: haha
PepY JivE TurkeY: which sux ass
PepY JivE TurkeY: but its true
KsPt173: yup
KsPt173: i agree
PepY JivE TurkeY: and that sounds bad
PepY JivE TurkeY: but its not
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz maybe helping people DOES
make u feel good....
PepY JivE TurkeY: then they are happy and so are u
PepY JivE TurkeY: and ur doing it for that feeling
PepY JivE TurkeY: otherwise u wouldnt do it
PepY JivE TurkeY: and u love someone because they
make u feel good, and they love u because they
make u feel good
PepY JivE TurkeY: its still selfish
KsPt173: word.
PepY JivE TurkeY: and i dont like the idea of god
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz i dont like the idea of
someone judging me
PepY JivE TurkeY: which is exactly what religion says
he does
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats his role
PepY JivE TurkeY: created
PepY JivE TurkeY: then he judges
KsPt173: y work to please someone, u are really the one who
needs to be pleased in life
PepY JivE TurkeY: he gives u the rules... u follow or u
dont... then u get tried.. and punished or rewarded
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats stupid
KsPt173: cha yeah.
KsPt173: really
PepY JivE TurkeY: shouldnt he realize that all there
is is emotion too
PepY JivE TurkeY: as long as the person was happy
in their life
PepY JivE TurkeY: give them what they want
PepY JivE TurkeY: if "he" is even there
KsPt173: then he would prove his own uselessness
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean... i dont see a reason why
there would be a god
PepY JivE TurkeY: just like in contact
PepY JivE TurkeY: did all mighty god create the
universe out of nothingness.... or did humans
create god as a crutch for people afraid of cold
truth and reality
PepY JivE TurkeY: it makes so much more sense that
a human would need that crutch
KsPt173: yeah
KsPt173: seriousl
KsPt173: y
PepY JivE TurkeY: because thinking of there not
being one... that creates fear
PepY JivE TurkeY: fear is not happiness
KsPt173: fear of the unknown really
PepY JivE TurkeY: and since everyone is striving for
happiness... they do what they can to alleviate
that fear
KsPt173: and people dont like that
KsPt173: well, again, its really for the comfort of the people
KsPt173: if u think about it
PepY JivE TurkeY: and so they made god up... threw
in some good morals (which i believe are actually
good) and called it religion
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean the morals in religion are
good... but they seem like a guide to life... like
"Life for Dummies"
PepY JivE TurkeY: if they were weak enough to fall
into the idea of a god, they are going to need the
guide
KsPt173: life for those who cannot follow themselves..
KsPt173: or society
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz they wont know that it is bad
to kill and bad to steal
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean...if it makes the person
happy to steal... okay
PepY JivE TurkeY: but thats really hard to believe
given our society
PepY JivE TurkeY: i meean... no one is raised in a
place where it is praised
PepY JivE TurkeY: by all
PepY JivE TurkeY: theres religion, and the law, and
the pain inflicted on those stolen or killed... its in
our genetics too im sure
KsPt173: so people are again working to make others happy....
but does that make them happy, or fulfill what they want in
life...
PepY JivE TurkeY: by structuring society against
stealing and killing etc... ur making more
happiness for everyone... because then the people
who would steal find happiness elsewhere and the
people who would have been killed or stolen from
will be happy as well
KsPt173: so its a way to control people happiness, for the
benefit of all
PepY JivE TurkeY: yea
KsPt173: i gotcha
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz everyone is going to be selfish
PepY JivE TurkeY: they are going to strive for their
own happiness
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats just human nature
KsPt173: it does create selfishness too
PepY JivE TurkeY: nature in general even
PepY JivE TurkeY: all we do is nurture that
selfishness so that more can be happy
PepY JivE TurkeY: because it is being directed by
people who are doing it for themselves
PepY JivE TurkeY: someones family member got
killed, so they put preasure to create a law
against it
PepY JivE TurkeY: or a moral against it even... way
back inthe day
PepY JivE TurkeY: because they didnt want ti to
happen to them again
KsPt173: well, again to emotion
PepY JivE TurkeY: they were being selfish
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: thats all there is really
KsPt173: haha yeah
PepY JivE TurkeY: nothing is going to be left of u in
the long long run
PepY JivE TurkeY: all accomplishments destroyed
KsPt173: in the end.
KsPt173: whenever that is.
PepY JivE TurkeY: in the end... it doesnt even matter
PepY JivE TurkeY: haha
KsPt173: but all progression will be lost, so whats the point of
being together or working as one, selfishness and happiness of
the one and how that benefits the happiness of the whole.
KsPt173: i like it.
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: one thing.. i dont konw why, it
doesnt even matter how hard u try.
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz in the end its gunna mean
nothing... so just go for the happiness... DAWG!
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: yup
KsPt173: word to that.
PepY JivE TurkeY: hmmm
PepY JivE TurkeY: well there is a point to working as
on
PepY JivE TurkeY: e
PepY JivE TurkeY: there are people who gain
happiness by helping others
KsPt173: yeah
PepY JivE TurkeY: by creating cures and such
KsPt173: thats what i was saying
PepY JivE TurkeY: ya
PepY JivE TurkeY: and then other people will be
happy because now they wont die when their brain
is destroying itself
KsPt173: haha
KsPt173: word.
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: oh man
PepY JivE TurkeY: MS
PepY JivE TurkeY: crazy ass disease
KsPt173: ?
PepY JivE TurkeY: we still dont even know anything
about it
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: multiple sclerosis
KsPt173: o
PepY JivE TurkeY: (sp)
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: i gotcha
PepY JivE TurkeY: ur immune system destroys ur
brain
PepY JivE TurkeY: randomly... it seems
KsPt173: insane.
KsPt173: well... i think this convo is gonna go on my site.
KsPt173: this whole theory thing
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: theycan chose to believe it or not
KsPt173: i think its coo
PepY JivE TurkeY: even tho itd make me happy to
convert someone to my view
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz man
PepY JivE TurkeY: it makes things look so much
brighter
PepY JivE TurkeY: ...at least i think
PepY JivE TurkeY: even tho from an outside view it
looks pretty dreary
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean... everything is gunna end
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: "mass suicide in the James Temple
today"
PepY JivE TurkeY: haha
KsPt173: i dont like people who are really really narrow minded
and insanly set on religion
KsPt173: it really really really bugs me
PepY JivE TurkeY: me 2
PepY JivE TurkeY: and when they try to convert u
PepY JivE TurkeY: and act all like "i care because
jesus cares and we dont want to see u go off to
hell"
PepY JivE TurkeY: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: and im like "DUDE THERE IS NO
HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!"
PepY JivE TurkeY: but neither one of us is gunna
budge, so the whole thing is pointless
KsPt173: yup yup
KsPt173: y not make a religion with "f-ed up " morals.... who
says u are going to hell for the stuff u do, its all personal truths
(along with society) but who can "ultimatly" juedge u on that
stuff with personal truths
PepY JivE TurkeY: exactly
PepY JivE TurkeY: shoot
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean
KsPt173: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: we base right on wrong on what
society tells us it is
PepY JivE TurkeY: and right and wrong is based off of
what some foo writing the bible said it was
KsPt173: i agree with those morals
KsPt173: but ultimatly, no one can judge u on that.
PepY JivE TurkeY: ya
PepY JivE TurkeY: if society was diff... so would what
god said was right
PepY JivE TurkeY: because all god is is something we
created
KsPt173: its funny too though, we punish those who deviate,
like killing off the bad ones, so society will be "ultimatly" right
PepY JivE TurkeY: to scare people away from what
society views as bad
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol ya
PepY JivE TurkeY: we are kinda narrowing the ranks
PepY JivE TurkeY: like a cult
PepY JivE TurkeY: but w/e
KsPt173: hahahaha
KsPt173: cha yeah, society is a cult.
KsPt173: freakin a
PepY JivE TurkeY: it is
PepY JivE TurkeY: we kill those who dont follow the
rules
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: yup
PepY JivE TurkeY: if we didnt...
PepY JivE TurkeY: nature would be the rules
PepY JivE TurkeY: itd be natural selection all the way
KsPt173: and who says there are "morals" that are set?
KsPt173: in nature that is
PepY JivE TurkeY: theres not
PepY JivE TurkeY: its just to keep humans away from
fear
KsPt173: there is nothing that u can say is right or wrong
KsPt173: thats what we are freakin doing in TOK, morals and
stuff
KsPt173: ill have a lot of crap to come in with atleast.
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: y
PepY JivE TurkeY: ya
PepY JivE TurkeY: right and wrong is perception
PepY JivE TurkeY: not big t truth
KsPt173: definitly
PepY JivE TurkeY: and that perceptoin is based on
fear
PepY JivE TurkeY: i mean im that way too
PepY JivE TurkeY: i dont wanna be stabbed in the
throat
PepY JivE TurkeY: so i say killing is wrong
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: hahaha
KsPt173: selfishness.
KsPt173: CHA
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz im afraid of the pain that
comes along with a 9" blade in my neck
PepY JivE TurkeY: but after that im down
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
KsPt173: yup
PepY JivE TurkeY: i hope those are my last thoughts
PepY JivE TurkeY: all this stuff we talked about
KsPt173: OW OW OW OW, o, well.. its cool.
PepY JivE TurkeY: that will get rid of my fear of
death as it comes upon me in my last seconds
KsPt173: well, and the happiness u have will be a way to reflect
and reaally accept life that u had and made u happy
KsPt173: thats all we are going for.
PepY JivE TurkeY: ya
PepY JivE TurkeY: just so i can reflect on the only
thing that was important in my life
PepY JivE TurkeY: the happy moments
PepY JivE TurkeY: *and they were all spent with you
kyle-poo tee hee hee;-)*
PepY JivE TurkeY: hahahahhaaha
KsPt173: hahahahahahaha
KsPt173: well... happy moments just ended...
KsPt173: time to jump off bridge.
KsPt173: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: happy moments never end
PepY JivE TurkeY: until u decide to kill urself
PepY JivE TurkeY: or u die... some how
KsPt173: yup
KsPt173: it is what u make of it.
PepY JivE TurkeY: pretty much
PepY JivE TurkeY: so if someone believes that they
are going to heaven and jesus died to save
them... and that makes them happy
PepY JivE TurkeY: right on
PepY JivE TurkeY: cuz they fit right in with my
perspective
PepY JivE TurkeY: live for what makes u happy
PepY JivE TurkeY: lol
PepY JivE TurkeY: and they are
KsPt173: yup
KsPt173: u are what matters in well.. ur life... do what makes u
happy, according to morals eh
KsPt173: hahaha
PepY JivE TurkeY: well yea, society drilled those
morals into me
PepY JivE TurkeY: they are a part of me now
PepY JivE TurkeY: if i went against them.... i wouldnt
be happy
