Except though that you used every single one of the old tired liberal excuses for everything that you tried to convey to me.
>Welcome to human society. Whatever the setup, there always seem to be haves
and have-nots, and in any hierarchical setup there's a governing body. There's always someone who wants to keep things that way (i.e., themselves in power), and one of the easiest ways to preserve the status quo is with consistent and constant deceit.
Well now that is very true. Thank you for stating the obvious. Always in any society there will be a governing body like you said trying to keep themselves in power by the means necessary. I'm angry about that. I'm angry that America has been taken away from the rightful conquers of America. Well considering that I believe right lies in ability then maybe rightful is the wrong word... I'll say original founders of our first America colonies. We have been led straight away from the intended systems of our new world. The government of today has no consideration for the original construct of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Both have been altered so dramatically that now it contradicts itself in more ways than I care to dwell on.
>Very likely feudal and slavery-basedsystems were the most honest,
Indeed.
>*as they had the highest percentage of non-people peope - one doesn't have to be lied to, after all, if one is oppressed enough.*
I'm afraid you'll have to try and elaborate this point if you want me to see what you mean here because I have absolutely no idea what this means. Forgive me if that's ignorant but I just don't have any clue what that says.
>Which 'natural law' is this? Gravity? Inertia? Sorry, being silly there. Seriously, though, to what do you refer? And what sort of equality? It's a very vague term.
The natural law of which I speak is the circle of life that says there is a natural order to things in which is determined by genetic make up and strength. The sun feeds the plants because that's what it is there to do. The plants "sacrifice their lives" because they cannot protect themselves from becoming the nourishment of whatever eats it. Then comes the predators. The carnivores who in the most basic sense prey on anything smaller and/or weaker than them. It is inbred for animals to know what they need for survival and to strive for just that. Bigger stronger animals prey on the weaker ones that cannot protect themselves from being killed thus prolonging the life of the strong. Therein lies my statement:
>>The rights to which you are entitled aren't determined by what you are, (human or otherwise) but are determined by integrity, intellect, power and strength.
That may very well be my opinion, but I know many who hold it truth. I guess then truth lies in the eyes of the beholder and this whole conversation was based on opinion and is factually worthless? It may not be the way things are in any society you or I have ever seen. But it lies in history that a people is entitled to that which it can take. Might is Right. (To quote the band Rahowa: "Might was Right when Caesar bled Upon the stones of Rome, Might was Right when Genghis led His hordes over Danube's foam, And Might was Right when German troops Poured down through Paris way, It's the Gospel of the Ancient World And the Logic of Today.
Behind all Kings and Presidents - All Government and Law, Are army-corps and cannoneers - To hold the world in awe. And sword-strong races own the earth, And ride the Conqueror's Car - And Liberty has never been won Except by deeds of war.") And the equality I spoke of was the lack of any. The fact that I have been led to believe all my life that their is racial equality is horrendous.
>Rights are a pretty fiction - the word has no referent except for an abstract concept in the modern mind.
The fact that you so willfully call your rights fiction disturbs me. It may be a man-made thought that one is simply entitled to certain decencies, but those most basic rights have been held as such throughout history and you are no one to make short of them now as a abstract concept.
>And entitlement (as it is used) refers to the deserving of something, a matter which is 100% subjective, determined by the one who entitles. No natural laws have anything to do with these vague nothings.
On the contrary to this I believe that Natural Law has to do with absolutely everything and my rights are far from vague nothings thank you.
>Actually, the fictions we call 'rights' are determined solely by oneself, or, from a social standpoint, those who exert power or the threat of power in one's society - generally peers and authoritarian bodies like governments. So, only if you are specifically dealing with your 'people' as a culture or subculture that you are within, and looking from a social standpoint, can your statement be said to be true, though far from the whole story.
I never claimed that my statement was any of the 'story' as it seems the story to you is the sad present state of affairs around us. I was simply stating that that is the way it was intended. That is what we strive for. I am angry because that is not the way it is. That was what I was supposed to be conveying to you correct?
>>You are entitled to whatever it is that you and your people are capable of.
>In what society, in particular? There may be some governmental/social structures around that work that way, but I don't have experience with any.
Well the 3rd Reich of Germany fought for and won (however briefly) what they claimed to be their right with some ease in the post-WWI ear through the eruption of WWII. The grand armies that protected and fought to expand Rome took on the form of one of the largest (in terms of land) thriving civilization in history. Our European ancestors came explored and 'conquered' these American shores once upon a time. The modern Jews and their cohorts are doing a pretty fine job of taking over America at this very moment. Should I continue? Your 'in-experience' with the modern goings on of the people in power are no shock to me. One can see that a people, who ever they may be, be they unified for a greater cause can and will seek to fulfill their right by any means as shown throughout history.
