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| I have gathered all the emails cousins have sent to me since the package arrived of the original documents on the Mystery Baird's from my uncle Don. I am hoping that someday I can get rid of the Mystery Baird pages and make a full connections. Lucy Ann Baird-Clark and I have been doing most of the research with help from Eunice Franklin, Denise Evans, Billie Payne, and of course Don Baird. Lucy and I stay up till all hours of the night looking for some possible connection. And believe you me, WE WILL SOMEDAY FIND A CONNECTION! |
| EMAILS FROM Billie Payne |
| December 17, 2003 need my files - so can feel sure of what I tell you but was told 3 Baird bro. came to America at the same time - Alexander , John ,and Samuel - James came later - as did William - , and they traded these male names back and forth and still do - those in N.J. - CAME AS SAILORS June 24, 2004 long explanation as to why I've not gotten around to those records - and want to make sure that we share the same info. would hate to make a mistake - but know the answer to these questions lie in Pa. history - know the Baird's were methodists - so churches in Pa. have a lot records - wish I could give you more at this time - birth year does sound right though - so you may have stumbled on to something - let me know - Billie June 24, 2004 CLINTON , WESTMORELAND , MONTGOMERY COUNTIES WERE SOME OF THE ONES that I LOOKED UP RECORD IN ALSO ARMSTRONG - IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY June 24, 2004 Samuel, John , James, William , and Alexander Baird were bro. all came to America , from Scotland in 1750 - and kept naming their children after each other thats whats confusing ocassionally they had and extra so then named him for other relatives - they were good at having boys and large families for that matter June 24, 2004 they moved around a lot - sometimes worked in the mines - so even when they had farms they would go where ever they could better themselved - fouught in Rev. war - June 24, 2004 NO, not familiar to me - wish I, had those doc. in hand - but trying to recall - believe what I, have is something like this - Samuel>AAron>John >Obediah >Samuell > John >and then Obediah Dell, for me - I too, have an Uncle Donald [ my dad's 1/2 bro.] - I, ruled out the origanal James that came with the bro.'s- because I , tracked him to Tenn.. - where he became a Meth. minister. that left me with Samuel - and Aaron in Fayette,co. Pa. - June 25, 2004 Know our Baird's ,were patriots -also fought in the French Indian War of 1812 -then Rev. War - and every war this country has had - Vergie, told me an interesting story - about granma Jullia's , travel to Ok.- said she was so afaird of the Indians kidnapping her children - she would wrap them in blankets and pin them - then tie them to herself at night - before she could go to sleep - said it was because years before 2 Baird , girls had been kidnapped by indians - also that way back during colonial days - during an attack on the fort where they - one of the few survivors was a woman , married to one of oyr Bairds that was scalped - wore a bonnet the rest of her life as a result of it - John Alexander , must have told her this story - wish I , knew her name - found it ironic ,after hearing this that that Obediah's , 2nd wife was was an indian lady ,and Jullia ,loved her dearly - we all did - Amanda , was a great mother and a good wife to him. June 25, 2004 one of them married Margret Allen - and his bro.married her sister - but names and dates I,cant give you without those records- yes he had siblings. June 25, 2004 dont know anything about the Harmons - lots of the out lying branches on the Bairds I , let go because was working on my husbands lineage - in Ireland - dvil of a job as they had the dopple ganging method of of naming same as our Bairds - you should have heard the many questions I, was firing at Virgie , and taking it all down in shorthand - writting mighty fast - let me tell you - the HOO-DOO war in Texas was an interesting story also of our out-law relative - although I , think he was in the right - they never caught him -some say he took up gold mining in N.M. - any way the range war ended -wish I could remember the year - no proof of this story either - of course its in history books but they are not into genelogy. June 26, 2004 I , think the name Obediah ,came into our line because of Obediah Allen - he may have been Margaret father -know this family were in CT. in the 1600's - Ethan Allen ,would have been related to them - someday will figure it all out by the Grace of God - what started me on the Allen line is it shows up so often in our Baird lieage - i.e - my bros. middle name is Allen - when my dad remarried ,he had another son with the middle name Allen and 1 of my grandpa's,sons was John ALLEN , and the list goes on and on - had 1st thought it might be Jullia's,mothers maiden name - just haven't sat down and researched this out. June 26, 2004 Katy ,this Obediah Allen's ,uncle was Samuel A. and Obediah's father was Thomas , or vice versa - Obediah was raised by his uncle that I,remember - these are from the Mayflower dec. -found this info while searching my husbands decs. June 26, 2004 Margaret was his mother - think the other Allen that married the bro.was Martha - found many plural cousins in the Baird clan also in the Higgins and Fiscus lineage - happened in my family also - my bro. and sister married a bro.and sister from the same family - go figure. June 27, 2004 They had a lot of siblings - all with names of JOHN , THOMAS ,JAMES,WILLIAM , SAMUEL - etc, and Frances M. these went to Il.- in the female side , Clarinda ,Martha , and so it goes - when I , would find a name like Clarinda's - would get excited - but to no avail - they just had a habit of naming chilren for family members - and I , did the same with mine - Virgie,said your George , was named for aunt Georgia Fiscus - But we're the only group that has an Obediah - so I ,zero'd in on him - and the Allen connection - as I , am certain Obediah Allen was the father or Grndfather of the 2 Allen ,female's that married Baird bro. - and their sister married an Allen - Hope this helps - the Allen's , lived in German Hills area of CT, in the 1620's. June 27, 2004 believe they had 13 children June 28, 2004 No,no , what I , said was - Obediah ALLEN , was born in Ct. -and it is my belief that he was Margaret Allen's , father [ Aaaron Baird's wife. June 28, 2004 Virgie know they came from PA. ,and were masons also worked in coal mines - but couldn't give me names or dates. June 28, 2004 not without my records - but they almost carbon copy - not always in the same order - were some girls in the group |
| EMAILS FROM Lucy Ann Baird-Clark |
| December 17, 2003 Hey that is really interesting. A long time ago my dad heard the same story, only we never had any names for the brothers. Does she have an approximate date for them? Very interesting that they came from New Jersey - where Samuel said his father came from. With all these clues you would think we could come across something, huh? I wanted to go the the family history center today to see about getting will/probate records, but a friend needed help with something so I did not get there. If we can find records of some kind, it will help a lot. Some thing like that for Samuel's dad would be of tremendous help. Better get this off to you. Lucy Ann February 17, 2004 Still waiting for the people I have written to to answer. Hope they decide to. The lady in Canada may be a long lost relative! I am also going to contact the Scottish-American Military association. They may be able to help tell us which military company Francis Randolph was in. Someone sent me a site that has British military records, but you have to know ahead of time which outfit they belonged to. The search goes on. Lucy Ann February 20, 2004 If I can get an address for the Scottish-American Military Association we may be able to learn what outfit or company or whatever that Francis Randolph belonged to. So far no replys from the letters I wrote. If you look at the familysearch.org site and look at what others have put up there, you will see that she had the same info as you have. Does anyone know when Francis came to this country and where? Was it Minnesota? It could explain why Samuel moved his family there after 1850. They sure did a lot of traveling - Samuel said his father was born in New Jersey and his mother in New York. All the clues seem to be there, just have to put them together. My husband is going to find the address for the military association so they can be contacted. I will keep you both up to date. Lucy Ann March 8, 2004 Got a reply from the Uslter County, N.Y. genealogical society. The book they have on a Francis Baird seems to be a different one. No answer as of yet from the person who has the same infomation posted on the familyresearch.org website. She lives in Canada and could be a cousin. There is still a chance she will answer. Another person on the web suggested I write to the Maritime Museum in Greenwich. They may be able to tell me which units in the Navy served in the Dutch West Indies War. From there we may be able to get Francis' record. It may give us a clue as to when he moved to the U.S. Just wanted to keep everyone up to date. Hope everyone is well. Lucy Ann June 25, 2004 It makes sense that an Obadiah would be Samuel's father - since the people in those days tended to name their first son after the father's father. I am getting ready to order a probate and will tape for early Columbiana Co. I will look for an Obadiah and anyone else who lists a son named Samuel. Lucy Ann June 26, 2004 Well, I looked at the info on Scottish vital records and could find little. There was not even an Aaron listed for a birth or marriage. I found a John, but with different parents. Does Billie have any documentation she would be willing to share with us? Looking at a map of the U.S. you can see that N.J., Penn., and Ohio are all pretty close together. I can see them moving from one to the other. It would be great if we could just find any of them in time and a place. In the meantime, I have a letter ready to go to the Roy Baird we found on-line. You were really good at finding Jacob in the War of 1812, can you find an Obadiah that might fill the bill? He probably served in New Jersey, but could have done so in Ohio. I will keep digging. When I get back from visiting family in Washington (I am hoping to be able to meet Eunice Franklin) I will order the tape with the early wills and probate for Columbiana Co. Or have Jim order it for me just before I am going to be home. Lucy Ann June 27, 2004 (I asked what county Samuel Baird was born in in 1814) No one knows for sure, Tommy Collins, the Baird researcher who did so much on the family thought perhaps Perry Co., Oh., though there is one note that he may be from Virginia. That must have been an early speculation, because he never expanded on it. I have found no evidence that he was born there as of yet. There are Bairds there very early, I looked at an 1820 census for Perry, or what will be Perry, and there were several. I seem to remember a note from a Baird descendant working there, she said that those Bairds tended to use the same names over and over. What is it with these guys anyway? June 27, 2004 And that makes perfect sense as Sam's first son is Obadiah Allen. Is she from N.J.? Or Ohio? Or Pa.? I don't want to bug her too much, but all this is wonderful news to me. I have been looking for so long. They say patience is a virtue though. Tell Billie that I am so appreciative of what she has told us so far. She is the first person who has given names to the brothers who came from Scotland. My dad heard a similar story when he was stationed I believe. The story usually varies as to the number of brothers - I have heard from 3 to 5 now. June 29, 2004 (I emailed the Lewis County Library in WA looking for an obit on Samuel Baird, they couldn't find one) Hey there. I found most of the abstracts they list below, I found the mortuary extract for Elijah, but not for Samuel. It has to be somewhere, though I have not seen most of the newspapers they list. You can try again, but I don't think I was able to get anything on Samuel's death. His grave is not even marked. Neither are Elijah and Martha's. I looked in the Scottish records for stuff on the earlier guys. I have to go back as I think I found a brother of Francis that is not on your list. I neglected to bring that stuff with me, so I will go back and look again. I tried finding a War of 1812 record for Obadiah, but couldn't seem to come up with one. There is an Obadiah in 1820, but he is on the other side of the state. There are some newspaper extracts to look at, but I didn't get into them this time. They took a long time to come up. I found a John Baird who married in 1731 in Larnarkshire, Scotland. I found the same record for Francis that you have. There is a birth record for a John Baird, b. 1698 in Stirlingshire, Scotland, don't know if he is ours yet. Another John got married in 1728 in Stirlingshire. When we are able to find more on Obadiah and Elizabeth Allen (was that her first name?) then we can work back from there or Billie will take pity on us and find a way and time to get her stuff down. July 3, 2004 You sent me the info on the brothers. The stuff on what counties they were in is new. My grandmother's family - the Hardings were in Armstrong, wouldn't it be something if they knew each other? About all these guys in the War of 1812, we just gotta keep digging I guess. Which branch has the Mayflower connection? Really interesting! July 14, 2004 Just got home yesterday and slept a lot. The train was only 2 and a half hours late! believe we are really closing in. How cool is that? Here is what I found in the city library in Longview. New Jersey marriages - Colonial Baird, Andrew to Sarah Holdridge, both of Monmouth -Oct 27, 1762 " David to Sarah Compton, both of Monmouth - Oct 27, 1744 " John of Somerset to Catherine Delouise - Mar 6, 1779 " Samuel to Susanna Rogers, both of Monmouth - Aug 6, 1762 " William to Margaret O'harah, both of Somerset - Oct 14, 1751 " " to Margaret Riley of Monmouth - Dec 1 1758 " Zebulon to Lily Hildreth, both of Monmouth - Apr 11, 1765 Don't know if any of these folks are ours, but who knows yet? Wonder if the first two are father and son since they have the same date? From "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" Margaret Allen, b. abt. 172? m. 2nd. 1751 William Baird, d. 1763 I am going to scour the book area at our local family history area, they have stuff from all the states. I didn't get to the Pa. books while I was there. July 15, 2004 Well, I am going this afternoon to order will and probate records for Ohio. Think I will start with the earliest and work on down. Maybe I will find an Obadiah or a Jacob that fits the bill. Keep fingers crossed at all times (unless otherwise in use). I just know that if we keep pecking away one or more of us is going to hit pay dirt. We need to plan a family reunion and gather as many of Samuel and Elizabeth's descendants as humanly possible. Some where in the middle of the country perhaps since we are so scattered - literally from sea to shining sea. One branch still needs to be located and that is the descendants of George and Mary (Baird) Spangler. One day I will write letters to the editor of the papers where they may be living. There is a website for the Lower Columbia Genealogical Society in Cowlitz Co., Wa. I will try today to get a note to them to put in their newsletter and do the same for the Lewis Co., Wa. group. There has gotta still be somebody there! Lucy Ann July 16, 2004 Hi, here is what I found today in just a quick search "Record of Pennsylvannia Records Prior to 1810" Vol. I pg. 12 : 1761, Nov. 22 - Baird, Joseph, and Sarah Smith 1745, May 2 - Baird, Thomas, and Anne Cormont 1797, June 20 - Baird, William , and Sarah Reside The above were from Christ Church in Philidelphia. pg. 566: 1792 June 26 Beard, Margaret, and David Kilgore The above is from First Presbyterian Church, Carlisle. Not much and may or may not be related. I guess we will not know until Billie gets into her attic. I will re-send the letter that was returned that I had written to Roy Baird. We had a nine number zip code with no street address in Oceanside, but they still wouldn't try to deliver. Makes you wonder what the extra numbers were for. This time I will put the address you gave me and hope. Lucy Ann |