Kassa,
I think
the numerous errors in this judgement come off as derogating my combat
abilities, and do undue harm to my reputation and that of my entire Lair. On the surface of it, 14 points in
deductions make it appear like I am a lousy fighter. Basically, you insult me by finding some picyune excuse for
deducting on every single attacking movement I made. I find this extremely insulting.
With your permission, I would like to have this judged by one or more
qualified Circle Judges, for your benefit, so that you can learn a few things
about judging, when he/they point out how far off the beam you are. My comments are in ALL CAPS.
(Mon Nov
04 17:41:41 2002)
Kimba
Panther Claw Lair, MC
is in the Sparring Pit
says to || Jana |||| PantherGirl: *wearing leather slacks, knee-high
moccasin-boots and a longsleeve leather jacket against the fall chill, I am
5'9" tall, 145 lbs of lean muscle on a frame that used to weigh 20 lbs
less, before I was a Panther. My long chestnut hair is bound by a thrice-looped
leather throng, holding it in ponytail, which falls from the crown of my head
On my right thigh is my ever present dagger, 7" of dual-edged steel on a
larl-bone handle wrapped with thin layers of leather, which I discard at the
edge of the pit before taking my position. Stands square to you, 5' away,
watching you take you take your stance. Places my left palm over my navel, my
right fist in front of my mouth, the thumb towards me, index finger resting
above my upper lip. feet shoulder width apart, my toes pointing at you*
dagger on right thigh..5 ft of distance, left hand open over belly, right hand
partially fisted in front of mouth, 5 inch height difference
THE DAGGER WAS DISCARDED ON THE EDGE OF THE PIT. THIS SEEMS TRIVIAL, BUT IT SHOWS HOW CLOSE YOU ARE PAYING
ATTENTION. NOT!
(Mon Nov 04 17:44:20 2002)
|| Jana ||
|| PantherGirl ||
Silver Moons, WM
is in the Sparring Pit
says to KimbaPanther Claw Lair, : jumping into the pit I stop about 8 feet from
You… angling my right side towards You… my right foot leading a lil ahead of my
left… about a half step… bouncing softly my knees bent… my 5ft 4in… 118lb frame
bouncing a lil in anticipation… my dark skins covering my slender but very very
curvy form… strands of curls pulled together behind my neck with a bosk hide
cord… dark piercing eyes locked on Your form taking in your stance… I curl my
right fist into a ball… lifting it to jaw level guarding my face I allow my
left hand though balled into a fist… to relax draped across my flat tummy….
Bracing myself for your attack……
distance now 8 feet, right foot forward, right hand fisted at jaw…left hand
fisted across stomache
-----------first posts-------------------
(Mon Nov 04 17:50:50 2002)
Kimba
Panther Claw Lair, MC
is in the Sparring Pit
says to || Jana |||| PantherGirl: *steps in to close the distance, angling to
your right side, comeing to just ouside the reach of your your shorter
arms**flashing my left backhand toward your eyes and raised right fist in a
feint***kicking my right leg at the inside of your right ankle, landing the
foot to go to a right side lead****jabbeing my right fist fist downward at your
right shoulder****as I grab for your pony tail with my left hand*
Action 2, this is two moves, a feint is one and the backhand is another -1
THIS IS WRONG. MY PALM IS ON MY BELLY,
SO THE BACKHAND IS TOWARDS HER. THIS IS
ONE MOVE, THE BACK OF MY PALM TOWARDS
HER EYES AND UPHELD FIST. A FEINT, A
DISTRACTION, WATCH MY LEFT HAND NOT THE RIGHT.
Action 2,
if you are to her right, and you backhand with your left, then the blow would
be moving away from her and not at her eyes, plus you need to state how you are
moving your hand to do this and if it is an attack or not. -1
THIS IS WRONG. BESIDED THE FACT THAT
YOU ARE TAKING TWO DEDUCTIONS FOR ONE PERFECTLY GOOD MOVE, A SIMPLE MOVE THAT
COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR - THE HAND STARTS AT THE NAVEL, NOT FROM THE LEFT
SIDE. THOUGH I MAY BE TO HER SIDE, I AM
STILL FACING HER DIRECTLY, AND THE HAND MOVING FORWARD AND UP CAN GET CLOSE
ENOUGH TO HER EYES TO MAKE HER BLINK.
IT IS NOT AN ATTACK, IT SAYS CLEARLY THAT IT IS A FEINT.
Action 3,
once again you angled to Jana’s RIGHT in the opening move and Jana’s right side
was more angled to you..so you are on the outside of Jana’s right, the kick to
the ankle would land on the outside, not the inside. -1
THIS IS WRONG, TRY IT. A LEG IS LONG
ENOUGH TO REACH THE INSIDE OR THE OUTSIDE OF A NEARBYE LEG, DEPENDING ON WHERE
YOU ARE AIMING AND HOW YOU KICK.
Action 4,
you never put your right foot down and are now off balance for these attacks -1
IT CLEARLY SAYS "LANDING THE FOOT TO GO TO A RIGHT SIDE LEAD," SO
THIS IS BLATENTLY WRONG
Action 5,
to grab at her ponytail with your left hand, you have to get your arm all the
way around her and since you are off-centered to Jana’s right, I don’t see your
left arm long enough to make that distance -1
THIS IS A JUDGEMENT CALL SO I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE IT.
How are
you avoiding Jana’s fists? -1
I AVOID THE FISTS AT HER NAVEL AND MOUTH BY NOT ATTACKING NEAR THEM. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO STATE "I KICK AT
YOUR LEG, HOPEFULLY UNDERNEATH THE GUARD OF YOUR FIST AT YOUR NAVEL" OR I
PUNCH YOUR SHOULDER, HOPEFULLY UNDERNEATH THE GUARD OF YOUR FIST AT YOUR
MOUTH. YOU ONLY HAVE TO SAY HOW YOU
AVOID A WEAPON IF IT IS IN THE WAY OF YOUR ATTACK.
Score=4
(Mon Nov 04 17:57:40 2002)
|| Jana ||
|| PantherGirl ||
Silver Moons, WM
is in the Sparring Pit
says to KimbaPanther Claw Lair, : (1) bounding back a step I chuckle watching
your hands flutter before my face your attempt at my ankle barely missing my
flesh (2) dropping my raised right fist from my jawline to my shoulder I wince
a lil as Your flesh meets Mine (3) bringing my left hand up from my belly hard
hoping to thwack you good under the chin (4) & (5)grabbing your hair with
my right hand I bring your head down towards my knee hoping to knock you out
wincing your grip on my hair causes it to pull
Action 1, how are you avoiding the attacks to your face and ankle? Just by
stepping back? You need to take into account that her attacks would realistically
change as you defended them. -1
Action 2, dropping your right fist down does not move it to your right shoulder
-1
Action 3, 4, 5 once again if you stepped back to get out of the way of her
attacks then you need to close the distance to be close enough for your attacks
to land. -3
--I would suggest in future spars not to simply back up as a defense. Try to
move your body and hands to defend attacks.--
Action 3, if you bring your left hand up, your fist is to the side, so you
would be trying to hit her chin with the top of your hand. This would hurt you
more than her. Describe how you are hitting her, better to describe using your
fist. -1
Action 4 &5, this is 3 moves. One, grabbing her hair, two bringing her head
down, three bringing your knee up. I can see what you were trying to do, but
imagine grabbing someone’s hair that is taller than you. Bringing her head down
is not a fluid motion after the grab. Too many actions -1
--Take into account that she is tallerr than you and likely the combo move you
tried is not going to land. I would suggest keep with simple hits and kicks
while you are learning.--
Action 5, is a backpost. Defend or acknowledge all attacks on you before
attacking yourself. -1
How are you getting around her fists? -1
Score=1
First round
Kimba=4
Jana=1
-----------second posts-------------------
(Mon Nov 04 18:03:57 2002)
Kimba
Panther Claw Lair, MC
is in the Sparring Pit
says to || Jana |||| PantherGirl: *feels my undefended grip on your hair and
feels you smack rattle my jaw as it strikes my chin, circling to my left arond
my left hand grip to avoid your attempt to grab my hairir**dodging your knee as
I circle around to try and get behind you***my right hand backhands at your
right ear****as my left hand jerks your ponytail backwards (to you)*****and my
right leg sweeps from my right to left at your ankles to try and take you off
your feet*
I am the judge, let me judge -s- I get called on doing this a lot too.
SHE ACCEPTED THE UNDEFENDED HAIR GRIP AT THE END OF HER POST, IF YOU LOOK. I AM NOT JUDGING ANYTHING, I AM CLARIFYING
MY POSITION AT THE START OF MY MOVEMENTS.
Action 1,
circling to your left around your left hand grip is confusing and unclear as to
how you are moving. -1
"CONFUSING" IS A JUDGEMENT CALL, I AM NOT GOING TO DISPUTE IT. BUT, YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT ONE CAN
ONLY BE SO CLEAR, WITHIN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS.
THERE COMES A POINT WHERE THERE COULD BE MORE DETAILS PROVIDED, BUT THE
MOVEMENT IS CLEAR ENOUGH. DEMANDING
HIGHER AND HIGHER LEVELS OF DETAILS IS MAKING TYPING SPEED AN OVERLY IMPORTANT
ELEMENT OF SPARRING.
Action 3,
which part of her right ear? The back, side, front? -1
ALL THE OTHER MISTAKES, I COULD HAVE LET THEM GO AND NOT SAID ANYTHING, BUT
THIS ONE IS SO RIDUCLOUS, I HAD TO DISPUTE IT, SO I FIGURED I MIGHT AS WELL
BRING UP THE OTHER MISTAKES TOO.
"WHAT PART OF THE EAR?!?"
TALK ABOUT MINUTAE. WHEN
SOMEBODY PUNCHES SOMEONE IN THE MOUTH, DO YOU ASK WHICH TOOTH THEY WERE AIMING
AT? A PUNCH IN THE NOSE HAS TO SPECIFY
WHICH NOSTRIL? A STAB TO THE HEART HAS
TO SPECIFY RIGHT OR LEFT VENTRICLE?
THIS IS LUDICROUS, ON THE FACE OF IT.
WHAT PART OF THE EAR? PUT YOUR
HAND UP TO YOUR EAR, CHANCES ARE THAT THE HAND IS BIGGER. YOU AIM FOR THE WHOLE THING WITH THE LARGER
HAND.
Action 5,
your foot would not take both ankles. Chose one. -1
A SWEEP KICK LIKE THIS IS A BASIC JUDO MOVE WITH A SWEEPING AREA OF ABOUT
36". I DON'T SEE HOW HER ANKLES
ARE ESTABLISHED AS BEING FARTHER APART THAN THAT. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED FOR FAILING TO NOTE HOW THE FOOT
LANDED, AFTER THE KICK. IT IS
RIDICULOUSLY UNREALISTIC TO CLAIM THAT THE FOOT REMAINS IN THE AIR, AS YOU DO
LATER.
How are
you avoiding her fists? -1
THIS IS ANOTHER MAJOR MISTAKE. SHE
DIDN'T RESET HER DEFENSIVE POSITION TO GIVE ME ANYTHING TO AVOID. BOTH HER HANDS ARE HIGH. HER LEFT HAND NEAR MY CHIN FROM HER ATTACK,
BUT HER RIGHT HAND IS IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE FROM HER OWN BAD MOVE. IS IT NEAR MY HAIR FROM HER ATTEMPTED GRAB,
OR IS IT NEAR HER KNEE FROM A MOVE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE
HOLD OF MY HAIR? AM I SUPPOSED TO
FORCEPOST THE LOCATION AND MOVEMENT OF HER HAND SO THAT I CAN AVOID IT? NO, I CHOOSE ATTACKS THAT AVOID HER DEFENSES
IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Score=6
(Mon Nov 04 18:11:19 2002)
|| Jana ||
|| PantherGirl ||
Silver Moons, WM
is in the Sparring Pit
says to KimbaPanther Claw Lair, : (1) spinning to face You as You attempt to
move behind Me wincing as my hair pulls hard yet again … I (2) smack your hand
away with my left hand (3) snapping my head forward in an attempt to head butt
You hoping you'll lose Your grip on my hair (4) bringing my right knee up to
your groin hoping to drop You Your attempt at my right ankle missing .. I
(5)stumble back several steps as Your right hits my ankle…
Action 2, which hand? I assume you are using your left to smack Kimba’s right,
but you don’t say that. -1
Actions 3 and 4 are now backposts. You MUST defend or acknowledge ALL attacks
BEFORE you attempt to attack. -2
Action 5 should have been first but then you would need to close the distance
to attack again.
Action 3, you are five inches shorter than her, trying to head butt her will
likely hit her in the chin, so this hurts you more than her. And more
description is needed on how you are attempting to attack her. -1
Actions 5, which ankle did her blow connect with? If it imissed your right I
assume your left ankle but you don’t say that. Also this defend has to be
before you attack. -1
How are you avoiding her fists? -1
Score=4
Second round
Kimba=6
Jana=4
-----------third posts-------------------
Mon Nov 04 18:19:23 2002)
Kimba
Panther Claw Lair, MC
is in the Sparring Pit
says to || Jana |||| PantherGirl: *feels your spin stretch my arm straight but
retains left grip on hair, your attempted head butt rather weakened as it
stikes my chin, **drawing my gaze down to see your knee coming up, raising my
right knee up and to my left to take the force of your groin blow on my left
thigh, landing the to stand right side to you now***is dragged forward my my
grip on your hair, sidestepping with you****right side kick at your
belly*****trying to land the foot on your left instep with a hard stomp*
Action 1, her head butt would not be weakened, if anything with the distance so
close to retain the grip on her hair, this would hurt you both and your right
leg is still off the ground so you are unbalanced and would likely move with
this blow. -1
AGAIN, THE IDEA THAT I DON'T HAVE BOTH FEET ON THE GROUND IS JUST FROM NOT
PAYING ATTENTION. YOU CANT FORWARD
HEADBUTT SOMEBODY WHO HAS AHOLD OF YOUR PONYTAIL FROM BEHIND, NOT WITH ANY
SIGNIFICANT FORCE.
Action 2,
careful how you word this, no combos allowed in WM and everything is a
movement, looking down and then moving is iffy. Your right leg was still up and
to the left from your sweep at her ankles, if you move it even more to the left
and take the blow to your right leg not left. -1
YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THE RIGHT/LEFT MISTAKE, I MEANT TO TAKE THE BLOW ON THE
RIGHT THIGH AND GOT CONFUSED.
Action 2,
landing your foot is considered a separate move in WM, too many moves in this
action. -1
THIS IS DEAD WRONG! ELSE EVERY KICK
WOULD BE TWO ACTIONS AND IT WOULD BE STUPID TO KICK. I CHECKED WITH CYRUSS A LONG TIME AGO, TO KICK AND LAND THE FOOT
IS ONE ACTION.
Action 3,
you are now having your right side facing her and your left hand is gripped in
her hair. You would not be able to maintain a grip on her hair if you are
dragged forward. Unrealistic -1
THIS IS PLAIN STUPID. THERE, KICK ME
OUT OF THE LEAGUE, BUT IT IS STUPID!
THIS DEPENDS ON THE STRENGTH OF MY GRIP AND HOW HARD I DRAG AND HOW MUCH
I ALLOW MYSELF TO BE PULLED FORWARD.
BUT IF I LOST THE GRIP I WOULDN'T BE DRAGGED FORWARD. YOU ARE PENALIZING ME FOR HER MISTAKE OF
TRYING TO BACK AWAY FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS HER BY THE HAIR. AND I HAVE TO HAVE HER BY THE HAIR, BECAUSE
SHE MADE NO DIRECT ACTION TO BREAK THE GRIP.
SHE HOPED THE PAIN OF LANDING A HEAD BUTT WOULD MAKE ME OPEN MY HAND,
AND THEN ASSUMED THAT IT HAPPENED WHEN SHE BACKED UP. THAT LEFT ME TRYING TO CARRY HER ROLEPLAY AND EXPLAIN HOW THIS
COULD HAVE POSSIBLY HAPPENED.
Action 4,
if you claim to still have a grip on her hair you have to be very close to
maintain that, the distance needed to lift and kick in a side kick to her belly
with your right leg is more distance than you have. -1
JUDGEMENT CALL.
Action 5,
her left instep is hard to get at. Better to try to stomp the top of her foot.
I don’t see your foot landing on her instep. -1
INSTEP, FROM THE DICTIONARY: "the arched middle portion of the
human foot in front of the ankle joint; especially : its upper
surface." THE WORD
"ESPECIALLY" IS IN ITALICS!
SO THIS IS A STOMP ON A SPECIFIC PART OF THE TOP OF HER FOOT. ^POINTS UP TO THE EAR DEDUCTION WHERE YOU
WANTED MORE SPECIFICS^
How are
you getting around her fists? -1
WHERE ARE HER FISTS, TO AVOID THEM AT THIS POINT? NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS IN A FIST FOR ONE THING. HER LEFT HAND SEEMS TO BE OPEN FROM A SMACK
DEFENSE OF HER RIGHT EAR, AND HER RIGHT HAND IS STILL IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE FROM
THE HAIRGRAB/KNEESMASH THAT WENT AWRY, SHE HASN'T MENTIONED IT SINCE. HOW WOULD EITHER OF THESE IMPACT ON ATTACKS
TO THE BELLY OR FOOT? IF SHE BURNED
MOVEMENTS TO SET HER HANDS IN A DEFENSIVE POSITION, THEN I AM OBLIGATED TO
AVOID THEM - BUT NOT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
Score=3
(Mon Nov 04 18:26:23 2002)
|| Jana ||
|| PantherGirl ||
Silver Moons, WM
is in the Sparring Pit
says to KimbaPanther Claw Lair, : thoroughly irritated by all this hair
pulling……… I (1) watching your right leg lift wince a lil feeling your blow to
my belly as I step back evading your blow to my left instep (2) opening my jaws
to your right arm… I bite down hard hoping to pierce your flesh… causing You
hopefully drop my hair (3) bringing my right knee back up towards your groin in
an attempt to drop You… I (4) drop my right foot down hard hoping to crush your
left ankle bone (5) lifting my left hand to your face swiftly in an attempt to
backhand you
Action 2, -g- good move, but I think you meant to bite her left arm as that is
the one holding your hair. -1
Action 3, you stepped back so you would not be close enough for this knee to
land. Also her right side is to you, she is not squared with you. -1
Action 4, you are not going to crush an anklebone with a barefoot, or even in
mocc’s. Unrealistic, better to try to kick at it. -1
Action 5, which side of her face are you aiming for? I assume her right, but
you don’t say that. -1
How are you avoiding her fists? -1
Score=5
Third round
Kimba=3
Jana=5
Spar totals
Kimba=13
Jana=10
(Mon Nov 04 18:31:14 2002)
Kimba
Panther Claw Lair, MC
is in the Sparring Pit
says to || Jana |||| PantherGirl: *feels your hair finally slip from my left
hand grasp, I squat low flexing at the knees and lowering my arm out of reach
of your teeth, your knee catching me in the gut and knocking me backwards so
your foot stomp lands in front of me and I am out of reach of your backhand*