# **Why Believe the Bible?

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Posted by Bibleman [Bibleman] on November 17, 1999 at 13:57:02 {xx2d.1sWpQMSSTtTA17sslyACFuF8c}:

In Reply to: *Why Believe the Bible? posted by Undecided on November 17, 1999 at 06:39:10:

WOW, what a post! I have to be sure to do a line-by-line on this one!

Hi Bibleman,

Hi, Ken!

I just wonder why out of all the religious men on earth you are the only one that can recognize that these prophecies are fulfilled?

Well, basically Jehovah grants understanding to whom he wants and the Bible prophesied at Daniel 12:10 "..and no wicked ones at all will understand, but the ones having insight will understand." So it was always prophesied to be very lop-sided. It helps you identify who really is from God, etc. :>

Oh, I forgot, you are the imperfect Christ.

Hmmmm... I think you have me mixed up with "Gary".

By the way, can the imperfect Christ
do miracles, or did God restrict you to just words?

Actually, this is an extremely interesting question. The first time it was all about miracles and healing and etc. And that worked to an extent. So the second time, it was decided to do something different and make it really BIBLICAL and intellectual, etc. God's miracles are Bible prophecies fulfilled. So this is really a pointedly "truth of God's word" kind of scenario.
And its neat since we do have the Bible that the Bible is being the authority. As noted, when the Messiah comes and "strikes the nations" it is with the long two-edged sword protruding from his mouth. So that shows this is a battle of words throughout as far as the Messiah is concerned. So, the power of God's word of truth.

And on that note, the prodigal son Messiah who is also "Lazarus" in the Rich Man and Lazarus parable, when he is in the bossom position of Abraham, the Rich Man (Deposed G.B.) wants him to perform some "miracles" and appear as someone from the dead to his five brothers (the other anointed ones in the organization). But he is specifically told that Lazarus would not appear and thus basically not perform any additional signs and were told that they would have to depend upon "Moses and the prophets" meaning, it is through the Bible they must get into the kingdom and no big miracles from the Messiah himself would be forthcoming. And in addition, there are things that are still classified that only the JIOR know about. But there are lots of miracles happening around the JIOR, especially the "sign of the Son of man". So that is kind of miraculous. And also, yes, there are some "magical" things that have happened. AND! AND! As I said, some of the JIOR do have, what you might call "magical powers." So some do have magical powers and do certain things. So its not entirely the written word, obviously. But no big miracles are predicted and in fact the request for a "sign" beyond God's word is sort of antithetical. "If they don't believe Moses and the prophets, then they won't believe someone from the dead." So those kinds of miracles were the thing of the First Coming. The Second Coming is about the Written Word. Which is wonderful. So it is a different "focus". So nice question.

I must admit, you do have a gift of words and can explain the Bible like no other person I've read before,

Oh my! Thanks! Others might disagree with you. But if it makes sense to you then it's wonderful!

..at least you don't use pyramids, and prophecy trains and such.

Right, I'm strickly Biblical.

What is the point to all this when the bible
says it will come as a thief(the end)and no one knows the day and hour.

This is a common misconception. It is the coming of the Messiah in secret and private which comes as a thief. And it is definitely a timed event. So when the Bible says "nobody knows the day nor hour" it doesn't mean they don't know the year. In fact that year has to be fulfilled by two prophecies! So your view is a common misconception that mixes up Armageddon with the Second Coming. The Second Coming happens first and then Armageddon after many things take place.
So, you must pay CLOSE ATTENTION to what the scriptures say. And since the Second Coming is an APPOINTED TIME, the reference to not knowing the "day nor hour" must be interpreted specifically as only the "day nor hour" would not be known, but the year is SCHEDULED! It was 1992; 2520 years from 529BCE and 45 years after 1947, which ends 1290 days of Daniel 12.

So that leaves the century, decade, year, week.

Right, you got it! And the Second Coming which comes as a thief has already happend! It happened by December 26, 1992. So that's over now. Tha's fulfilled.

Can you get it down to a week?

As noted, the Second Coming is what comes as a thief, not Armgeddon. So that already occurred over a two-day period from December 25-26, 1992. So it's down to those two days. But the YEAR was always prophesied to be 1992 which can be calculated if you have the correct chronology.

Being Christ, why don't you just give us the year it will come?

"Christ" means "anointed" so I guess I consider myself to be an anointed prophet. And as noted, you have Armageddon and the Second Coming mixed up. The "end of the system of things" which is the big event is when the Messiah appears back on the earth. That is what comes as a thief. And that has already happened in 1992. So your question is sort of inapplicable for the scriptures you're applying.

But if you want to know exactly when Armageddon is going to take place that is still something within Jehovah's jurisdiction. But I suspect it will occur shortly after Babylon the Great will be destroyed, but not before a "time and a season" according to the Bible. Not that Jehovah could change that.

Remember Babylon the Great will be thrown into the sea SUDDENLY and without warning. So I'm expecting that event any time. The scenario I'm expecting is some scandal the Illuminati is involved in which will allow the U.N. to legally confiscate their massive funds and take over all their banking, then things for the world will basically be over. So that's really what I'm expecting next. Look around. The witness org. is doomed. They have no truth. They're trying to keep their members off the internet. They're desperate! It's over, it's over, it's over. So the stage is set and everything has been fulfilled.

Since you're so nice, I'll give you some "insider" information. It looks like the inspired expressions from the Lamb-Dragon Beast (the G.B.) and the "666-Beast" (Christendom) and Satan. And that leads to Armageddon which looks like the attack of Gog of Magog on Israel. So my scenario now is (unofficial) is that the Aryan-based Christian culture will turn on the Jewish-based Illuminati control over banking and the whole world. So it will be the ultimate Aryan vs Jewish confrontation when they influence the U.N. to disineherit the Jewish-based Illuminati. Which is okay because they are "Babylon the Great." But then that will overflow into some direct attack on the State of Israel, at which time Jehovah will defeat Aryan-oriented Gog of Magog and it's anti-Semitic crowd. Then the world will know Jehovah is still chosing Israel as his chosen people. And that will be it. And those who don't accept God's choice of Israel for world rule will die at Armageddon, possibly many of them simply dropping dead in their tracks. Lots of dead bodies to be eaten up by the birds. So all the elements are in place for this to happen at any time. That's just the overview.
Oh well, I guess I,m getting a little sarcastic again.

That's okay.

Just overlook my comments as I'm feeling a little lost in a world of too many conflicting opinions with no concrete evidence of anything.

I understand, but the ONLY WAY out is via God's word! Make sure you consider all views and make sure they fit the Bible perfectly.

For instance, the Witnesses are saying the "great tribulation" is yet to come and is Armageddon. Read Matthew 24:29 and it says the tribulation is over before the Messiah even arrives. So you can dismiss that and them as having the truth. So you're ahead.

I love you Bibleman, Ken P

And I love you too! All you have to do is just "be found finally by him spotless, and unblemished and in peace." Everything will not be totally understood by everyone, including the anointed "older brother" class.

And essentially, the judgment is over by now and you would have been marked for survival of Armageddon or not. So just keep in anticipation of it. It is speeding toward us.

Thanks for your interesting comments.

REVIEW:
Correct your idea that Armageddon is to come as a thief. That is a specific reference to the Second Coming which happens very secretly and which did occur already in December of 1992. The sign of the son of man did appear on December 26, 1992. So that phase is over. Read your Bible for what is to happen next!!!!

Cheers,
Bibleman

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