# ***Final Post -- Maybe

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Posted by OneGlove [OneGlove] on November 16, 1999 at 12:03:10 {pRztWiaeukddh6ih/xtgVOGhhkwG5g}:

In Reply to: **Final Post -- Maybe posted by Amazing on November 16, 1999 at 10:28:01:

In reply to Amazing. First I would like to thank you for presenting clear objections to what I said. I think that my reasons were coherent enough to be answered logically rather than simply dismissed. I am glad you have done so - though others have not.

My reply to your rebuttal:

:1st Paragraph, you open by insulting our minds. That prepares us to really accept your theory.

I'm sorry if you were insulted. However, that has nothing to do with whether I am right or wrong.

:2nd Paragraph, you think you see the evidence that Ros did this, but you are not sure, but it seems probable to you.

Yes, I wish to avoid the impression that there is conclusive evidence of anything. But I feel the scenario I have outlined is highly probable. Remember that conclusive evidence of anything is hard to get, you don't even need it in a court of law.

:3rd Paragraph, GB deals exclusively with Ros, and that bothers you. Rebuttal: Reading GBs posts shows how that happened. He contacted beacon to talk privately,
and Ros was the one who happened to answer. He wanted to control his security. Why would he go elsewhere?

I know that Ros has given us an explanation. But every two-bit psychic has an explanation of why the spirits only talk to her - I mean no offense, I am just pointing out situational parallels. I acknowledge that Ros has constructed an explanation. But I would like to point out the parallels between what she is doing and and certain other famous historical frauds.

:4th Para., You are troubled by 'anonymity' as a defense on H20. Rebuttal: He said he went to Beacon and had no concept of what H20 was even about. He never
used it as any defense for anything.

Anonymity was often used as an excuse not to provide credentials, even when said credentials would not comprimise his anonymity in any concievable way. Ros was similarly hostile about this manner.

:5th Para., You are troubled by writing style and similar phrases. Rebuttal: Go then and look at what Ray Franz and M733 wrote. Those too sound like Ros, or GB
or several other here. She admitted up front that she was assisting him to disguise his writing style. Very plausible given that he did not fully know what he was getting
into on H20 with the whole wrold reading his stuff.

I did not notice a great deal of similarity. Ray, for one, was far clearer in his structural style and thought process than GB. Of course, since I have read his book, it is very easy for me to diferentiate his writing style as seperate from other people's. I do not claim to have so much experiance with Ros or GB. But Ros' and GB's writings on the Piano question go beyond any superficial similarity. And as for the idea that Ros edited GB's posts to help disguise the writing style, she said - before the first Ros4GB post at least - that she would not be changing his replies.

:6,7th para., Ros provides her opinion of Mr. GB and you then assign that to a description of herself. Rebuttal: That is not evidence, it is merely your speculation and
conjecture.

No, I had already finished presenting my evidence, I was on to motive.

:8th Para., You acknowledge no malicity, but assign a hero complex. Rebuttal: That again is conjecture, and no evidence. You base that conjecture upon the previous
conjecture.

I'm still on motive.

:9, 10, 11th Para., You point out how emotionally dependant people are being hurt by Ros' well intended saga. Rebuttal: This is not evidence, it is just pondering
potential impact. Some have expressed enjoyment over this GB issue. The vast majority did not accept it. Again, conjecture, but absolutely no harm is in evidence.

I don't think we can be too careful about this. Even one person hurt by this deception would be a tragedy. And think of the thousands of lurkers, many who are sincerely trying to decide whether or not to leave their religion. You cannot dismiss the idea that someone was hurt as farfetched. Being told that there are reformers on the GB - when there clearly are not - will cause some people to stay in an emotionally abusive situation in the hope that it will get better. But you are right, we will never know for certain. That is certainly no reason, though, not to do everything we can to make sure we undo any possible damage that has resulted.

:12, 13th Para., Cautionary statement about use of H20 and comments about how reform may be viewed and dealt with. Rebuttal: You summation did not tie any
evidence or conjecture to gether or show how the evidence persented could possibly lead to your conclusion that Ros is Mr. GB. Your summary is irrelvant.

My summary was not evidencial. But the advice was certainly relevant.

--OneGlove

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