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Posted by Bibleman [Bibleman] on November 15, 1999 at 18:07:21 {AS5l1tybL6MRXA6xmpscslyACFuF8c}:

In Reply to: BiblemanQ posted by honhea on November 15, 1999 at 14:01:25:

Hi Honhea,

Regarding credentials and references, you must be specific about what.

For instance, I've quoted from Professor Robert Newton who completely dismisses Ptolemy's canon as a complete fraud. He did a comprehensive review of the astronomy in Ptolemy's canon.

R.H. Thiele agrees with the co-rulerships of the Judean kings, etc.

Scholars at the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago identify Darius and Xerxes in the famous bas-relief shown on page 330 of the "Aid" book.

So you must be specific if you want references or quotes.

As far as worship goes, if I stated the worship was "relative" I meant it in the sense of being in subjection to or under the authority of someone. A specific concept of "worship" might have been a poor word choice. But the concept I had in mind is illustrated quite clearly by 1 Corinthians 11:3

> "But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the christ is God."

So you see, Christ is under God so in that sense man is under God and so is woman, though man and Christ are between God and woman, and Christ between God and man. Worship of Christ means as a MEDIATOR. So in that sense it is "relative." But "worship" might be too absolute of a word to use in this case, so I agree with you in the strict sense of the word, either you worship something or you don't. So in that case, Jesus is worshipped, obviously, since he is called "my God" by Thomas.
Being someone's god suggests worship.

Of course, again, here it is clearly shown that God is over Jesus and is the head of Jesus which proves that they are not equal. And of course they are not, since they are not the same person. As 1 Thessalonians points, out, Jesus is Michael, the archangel, so of course he is under God and makes God, the Creator, his head.

As far as 2 Cor. 10:17 goes, when it comes to something like this where you're making a textual comparison, I default to the actual Greek text. The NWT inserts "Jehovah" in the text where the authors believe the reference is to the Creator, but where the text just says "Lord." Since both Jesus and Jehovah are called "Lord", this leaves 2 Cor. 10:17 open to refer to Jesus or Jehovah, so there is no critical contradiction that can be claimed. Since Paul elsewhere says, "Boast in Jesus" this would be a parallel thought to "Boast in the Lord [Jesus Christ]", a restatement of his comments elsewhere.

Thus there is no doctrinal bases in the text for a contradiction, not that I would consider the reference to Jehovah a contradiction, as noted.

I use the NWT primarily because I like it and it is in modern English, but I do use other translations and check the Interlinear for the original Greek when the situation calls for accuracy, such as in this case.

Cheers,
Bibleman

P.S. Since the head of Christ is God, they are not equal and they must be two different people. Thanks for yet another good reference proving Jesus is the SON of God and not God himself.

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