Posted by Bibleman [Bibleman] on November 07, 1999 at 13:28:37 {zExURjw8QAMSSTtTA17sslyACFuF8c}:
In Reply to: ******Bibleman-questions posted by Antique on November 06, 1999 at 07:55:43:
Hi,
Let me interject here to give you some perspective on this. Let's forget about any claims right now of anyone. Let's just do a hypothetical.
When the Messiah comes, he comes and is "born" via the "eagle-winged" woman who remains in the wilderness. She is a secret, underground organization who has known who the Messiah is even before he knew.
So HIS sheep are basically already gathered. Thus if he exposes himself it is likely to fulfill those who would reject him, so they can't say later they didn't reject the Messiah when he came to them. So it like technically seals their death sentence. There is no appeal to for followers here.
But there is a doctrinal point that has to be accepted and that is basically 1) That the Messiah does come in the flesh as the Prodigal Son.
So that's the issue. If holy spirit and Bible knowledge can get you past old ideas into understanding that is the way the Messiah is to appear at the Second Coming. Then, if you accept that, you might be led to the JIOR.
But if you reject the BIBLE, then it will prove you are not worthy of the kingdom. So this is really basically not to get someone to believe in any Messiah but to prove that these persons are deserving of death because they don't believe the Bible.
So I don't think they realize that. They are simply sealing their fate and making sure Jehovah is not legally liable for not warning them ahead of time. In other words, this is part of the "separation" process and they are proving just who they are, weeds or wheat.
The anointed JIOR who know they Messiah are already in attendance and don't need to be convinced of anything. These little technicalities have to be done to fulfill the scriptures.
So in a way, sort of, this is working out their sentencing. It wasn't meant for them to be able to believe this, only to be condemned by their own disposition.
So really, the end of the world is here and this is just some loose ends to show how people might actually despise truth when it is presented to them. It's sort of like you know somebody is a crook and they're dealing drugs or bribing somebody, but you don't have proof of that. So you wire a witness and get them to talk about it on tape. Then you can use that tape in court.
That's sort of how it is. God knows their hearts and knows what is going on. But they may think in their own minds they are of a different sort. So they get exposed to the direct truth and reject it, and thus there is a record and actual act of rejection and therefore there is no debate when they're sentence is handed out.
That's how the sheep are separated from the goats.
The sheep accept the impossible from God's word, but the goats don't. They are too "logical" and they reject it. But that proves that they are goats.
So they are publicly sealing their own fates and they don't realize it. They are going to be saying: "I knew you when." And the Messiah is going to be saying: "I knew you not. Get away from me you workers of lawlessness!"
Sorry, but that has to be fulfilled too.
So don' worry about the nasayers. All you worry about is being sure you understand how the kingdom works. How the Millenniium works. Understand the Messiah must come in the flesh. Look at the parable of the Prodigal Son and understand that is about the Messiah. Then consider related scriptures. You're on a different path.
Remember, it's all about BIBLICAL! Not logic. No mere words.
Know this.
Cheers,
Bibleman