Posted by Antique [Antique] on November 06, 1999 at 09:04:24 {p8g/8h8r5Q6ii1RkHmng.lGYl4oc5Y}:
In Reply to: *****Questions For Bibleman posted by Bibleman on November 05, 1999 at 23:37:44:
Bibleman,
"So I'm not in a position to make a judgment, but it is not uncommon for the wicked angels to appear to persons and inspire them toward witchcraft, etc."
The thing is, they didnt "appear" to her and why didn't they "inspire" her toward the "wiccan" when she was younger and more vulnerable when most do this type of thing. These "angels" it seems would have mislead her all along to do these things. They had an innocent who didn't even know that their being there was not normal. Why would they wait it out until she was older and stronger? They had a very young and guilable person growiung up. That is when they would have been working on her. I can't say you are wrong but I don't say you are right either. I need more.One of her friends in her Senior year is the one that started her interst in the "Wiccan."
"So in a sense, some answers are apparent. She believes they are angels and so do I. So that's solved. Also, are these angels the usual occurrence for someone who is anointed? And that answer is no. It's a different process. And that
issue has been answered."
I'm not sure the issue has been answered. You say that this is not the "usual" occurence but does that mean necessarily that the "usual" way is the only way?
"If someone thinks just because they are "nice" and "protective" that they can then get in league with them or start practicing magic in some ways, or learn some of their ways to enhance their presence, then it might cost them their lives because they will be destroyed for apostasy against Jehovah. So in that sense, they effect the death of the person they are getting involved."
I see your point on this as far as it goes. But again, remember, she just didn't happen on these angels, nor did they come to here out of no where to influence her, but they were always there and they, as far as I know, didn't get her involved with this "wiccan" stuff. They are just there. The protection is not like they do anything. It is how she feels with them there. Safe.
"I can assure you that no angel of Jehovah would encourage someone in the ways of "wiccan" which leads into witchcraft."
Again you are assuming they did and are.You seem to be stuck on the fact that they have to be demons because you can not place them elsewhere. I don't know either way. Nothing has convinced me to say they are. They have not directed her to anyhthing yet. They are just there and when they talk it is casual talk about things you would say to someone on the bus or in line at the store.
See, this bothers me. In no way has she told you that these angels did this, you are assuming now that she has told you about the "wiccan" thing that these angels are now automatically demons. Have you thought that these may be 2 seperate issues and now that she has said this stuff about the "wiccan" you have brushed the rest aside? What if she had not mention the "wiccan" stuff? To my knowledge, and I could be wrong, they have not worked this way. I don't think she is "following" what they say because I don't believe they are directing her up to this point in time to do anything. They are just there and talk with her on a casual basis as I have said.
"Rae thinks that its okay just to learn about the health benefits and is staying away from the witchcraft."
This does bother me, and I have talked with her on this and her accountability on it. You are right, she could learn about these things another way and maybe after considering all this she will. I am not sure. Have you thought that maybe the "wiccan" stuff has been introduced into to her life at such a late period that it is being used to distract her from what should be?
You know, you say some pretty wild things too, and expect us to believe what you say. Things just are not that simple that we should discard someone until we know all there is to know. I have always noticed that the tuth wills out. So don't get me wrong. I like what you say and so far, with a few exceptions that may clear themselves up in time, so good.
"I know of other witnesses who for no apparent reason the demons just hang around them and bother them. And they end up becoming interested in a lot of these things, "natural health", semi-holistic medicine, etc. But remember the whole idea of "witches" and witchcraft is always related to Alchemy and "druggery" and all that.
So the foundation of drugs and herbs and the like is being laid already. Once Rae learns enough about this, them it will be temptation to go to the next step."
Again, you assume "these" are bad spirits. Maybe the "wiccan" thing is there to distract and take her away from the right things. I need to ask her some things on this subject. Being that she is used to "spirit" beings her whole life there may be others that have more recently "arrived" and thus the "problem" I don't know. There could be more here than meets the eye.
"But it is not that unusual for persons to be bothered by the demons. Why they are focussed on her in particular may remain a mystery for now. But they seem to be doing their job since she's educating herself in the ways of "wiccans". That's the first step so that she can take the next step."
Yes, this could be if the ones that have always been here are wicked ones. But I am not convinced of that yet. You, if you have a young child with no boundries and restrictions, and are curious as all children are and innocent as all children are, would you wait on that child until they were an adult to start to indoctrinate them or would you start them out as infants when they are guilable and much more willing due to their innocence? See this is what bothers me. They didn't. What would be the purpose of doing so?
Just some thoughts on your thoughts. I can't know these things, but I do know that Rae now has, since she started reading your posts, been reading her Bible. Soooo.....that can't be bad. And she feels like she might be getting some answers to her situation.
I'm keeping an open mind and will see....
As Always,
Antique