# *TravisJ45 Post II?

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Posted by AF [AF] on November 06, 1999 at 18:54:07 {p8g/8h8r5Q1EwaxRomAMdaOt1gg/Zk}:

In Reply to: TravisJ45 Post II? posted by Adam Covington on November 06, 1999 at 13:34:31:

: Reading through more of the comments made by JH and Gedarken, I find it amazing that they still comment on the TravisJ45 post without expressing the true facts about the post, which you were even able to clearly discern.

Come on, Adam! I already told you that my comments and Gedanken's (with which J.H.'s agree) are consistent and that I agreed with Gedanken.

To state it clearly: Greg screwed up under the stress of the moment, but I agree with Gedanken that there is little excuse for it, especially now that he has made no apology after more than two days have gone by. In other words, I agree that Greg made his foolish post in order to conceal his identity, but I consider it extremely foolish to have boasted so magnificently about himself.

To prove that this is what I said, note first what you told me:

> From what I gather, Greg purposely posted the TravisJ45 so as to continue the discussion under an assumed name, in hopes of concealing his identity. I now believe he felt it best not to do so. I do not believe that the TravisJ45 post was made for any other reason, than what he stated above.

I agreed with that, but qualified it:

> I think you're right. However, it's pretty obvious that he went off the deep end under the stress of threats from the Society. Had he been thinking clearly, he would have seen that a simple "I agree with Greg and disagree with AF, and will state my reasons in subsequent posts" would have been sufficient. That would have been appropriate even when he messed up on hiding his identity.

> As for the stress, I suspect you're still a JW, so you have no idea how shocking it is when Mommie takes off the velvet glove and bashes you upside the head. People have been known to do far worse than merely embarrass themselves by exposing their arrogance for the world to laugh at.

I further qualified my agreement here and here.

So, Adam, what exactly is it that you're not understanding?

: I find it even more amazing that you reposted the first TravisJ45 post without it being deleted by the moderators,

Why? ForumDirector1 explicitly requested that it be reposted, and I complied. Did you not read in the very first comment of my repost where I said that?

: and DID NOT POST the second TravisJ45 post which EXPLAINED the reason for the first post!

You're off the wall! See below.

:Why the deliberate attempt to deceive those who did not read the posts before they were deleted?

You're accusing me of attempting to deceive those people? You miserable twit! Why don't you make accusations against the real culprit, the rogue administrator who decided not merely to remove the thread to the temporary holding bin, but to delete the entire thread off the system?

Your hypocrisy speaks volumes and is entirely consistent with your virtual worship of Greg.

: What is your justification for not giving a complete picture by posting both posts?

Are you entirely braindead? As far as I'm aware, Greg made one and only one post under the name "TravisJ45". If you're aware of another, be sure to point to it. That single post is the one I saved, along with his other two top level posts. Do keep in mind that Greg did explain the reason for his first post in his next post after the TravisJ45 post, entitled "The Decision - Greg Stafford [GregStafford] 08:16:29 11/03/99", but note that this was under his real name. But you already know that because you've quoted what he said there a number of times:

> :Since I am involved in this discussion with AF, I decided to use another name for a JW participant, with which I could continue my discussion with AF, having stood up for "Greg's" material, and thus drawing his attention to the "new kid" on the block. In using a friend's email address I had hoped to be able to continue in this manner, but without stumbling my brothers:

Greg's "Last Post to H2O - Greg Stafford [GregStafford] 10:04:32 11/03/99" was also under his real name.

I should point out a couple of facts: during the day my access to H2O is quite spotty and can vary from hardly any to a lot, depending on the needs of my job. The day that Greg self-destructed, it so happened that I was able to access H2O at just the right time to read all the posts in the order in which they were posted, realize what Greg had done, and go back and save the top level posts. I rarely save any posts except my own and those I reply to until I get home and can save them on my home computer. I saved Greg's posts under these names:

Stafford_trips.html
Stafford_falls.html
Stafford_dies.html

That's all I saved on my work computer except for my own posts during the day. It was only by the luck of the draw that I managed to save them from our rogue administrator's depredations.

: I will await your response to the above.

Likewise.

AF

Follow Ups:

- **TravisJ45 Post II? GregStafford 19:18:46 11/06/99 (8)
  - ***TravisJ45 Post II? 2nd Travis-YaYa 05:54:50 11/07/99 (2)
    - ****TravisJ45 Post II? 5GJW 08:48:23 11/07/99 (1)
      - *****TravisJ45 Post II? YaYa 10:42:11 11/07/99 (0)
  - ***TravisJ45 Post II? AF 05:17:54 11/07/99 (2)
    - ****TravisJ45 Post II? Gedanken 14:56:44 11/07/99 (1)
      - *****TravisJ45 Post II? AF 16:43:47 11/07/99 (0)
  - ***TravisJ45 Post II? J.H. 04:39:14 11/07/99 (0)
  - ***TravisJ45 Post II? Farkel 20:55:54 11/06/99 (0)

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