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Posted by Bibleman [Bibleman] on November 04, 1999 at 21:28:52 {yxewwqp4aAMSSTtTA17sslyACFuF8c}:

In Reply to: **Bibleman-questions posted by RaeStar on November 04, 1999 at 16:11:35:

Hello, hello, hello!

Welcome to H20 and thanks for joining us.

I don't want to make this post too long, but I must say I'm very open to what you are feeling "subjectively" in a spiritual sense. I can't make a judgment of any sort without knowing you personally but I can give you my experience and some feedback. And please relax and don't feel anxious I'm perfectly willing to be open with you.

I read the comments your father made about your feelings. But I won't address those right now if you don't mind. I would like to give you some more specific feedback out the spiritual things.

You specifically asked about the "chosen" ones. They are CHOSEN. Excuse me for being frank, but basically what Jehovah did was he set up the Israelites for this chosen priesthood and then made the standards impossible to meet. That way, he can make a "choosing" of whomever he wishes out of the "gems" of people out of the entire world. So it is quite possible you could be one of these chosen ones.

Clarification: Your father mentioned "John" so I think he got the idea that I saw the apostle John or that John was resurrected. That's not accurate. I said that John and Paul were among those who survived from Jesus' day down to our day, so they would not be among the dead who had become resurrected into someone already living today.

But this has my focus now, because I'm not really sure exactly how this resurrection will work or how it will start to reveal itself, though I don't think it would prior to the millennium.

So let's just say you are one of the chosen ones and you are also the ressurected "Ruth". I'm not sure I could explain to you what that would be like, but it's possible you could be more sensitive to this, just by your nature than others. Or it is possible that Jehovah has a special purpose for you if you are to share your experience in some way. And that is very much how holy spirit works. It varies based upon the needs of the situation. Sometimes it is very direct and sometimes very indirect.

I will say that those who are of the anointed, though, tend to have more specific feelings about this after the anointing. But it is blunted before. For instance, I understood that there was a "chosen" brother in my congregation about the time that I became anointed. And I knew he felt he could have been anointed but because the Watchtower had said it is only possible if some anointed one dies unfaithfully, his feelings must be something else. So I was explaining to him that Matthew 20 clearly shows there would be ones chosen and anointed right up until the very end, some only being in the truth for "one hour" so to speak. But he was resisting it. So it does start off as a feeling and then with knowledge you accept the anointing and then you KNOW. So its more specific than just believing. But you do have to "accept" the anointing. He later did so it was okay.

But others I know who were anointed who were not in the truth knew absolutely as if holy spirit told them directly. They knew they were of the anointed and that they could understand the Bible specifically on their own, the whole works.

So that is something I think in particular is common for the anointed ones and that is a strong feeling that the Bible is speaking DIRECTLY to you.

And there are lots of "supernatural" things happening around me, of course, since I'm sort of in a position to be a prophet/teacher. So I've seen many chosen ones (who are just adorable, the "meekest" of people), but I think unless they were actively involved with some aspect of the witnesses, they are just "chosen" and waiting for the millennium.

And then there are some special cases, apparently, where angels have had to materialize and do some specific training to bring them to the point where they can become anointed. So there's that. That is, the angels through spirit or directly actually tend to gather these anointed ones and provide them with what they need to finish being sealed or anointed.

So I suppose I'm saying that if you are among the "chosen" ones it should be okay, just make sure you're not "resisting" the idea of the possibility and all should be fine, either now or later.

Now, this is what interests me. It's the issue of the resurrection. The first resurrection is of those who have died, even persons of old who died before Jesus died and set up the New Covenant. I think that there is a difference for the post-Jesus resurrected ones who are already anointed and just resurrected after having been faithful and those who were not anointed before.

The suggestion in scripture is that they must be "born again" in order to get into the kingdom. So the pre-Jesus' death resurrectees just might be different than others. And the persons who they become may have some sense of this, I suppose, even from a young age.

I'm not saying this is your experience or your feelings, but this is a miraculous thing that has happened. And it's kind of strange and unusual. But real. Furthermore, most persons may not even be aware of this resurrection, but if for some reason it was meant for you to share this, you may have been given special awareness of this.

For instance, you recall during Jesus' day how he said someone blind or sick provided an opportunity for Jehovah to show his miracles, etc.

So I'm just saying there is a broad range of possibilities here.

Being quite blunt again, my impression is that if someone at this time were aware of who they were before, that they would not have memory of that previous life but would have just been told who they were. That is in anticipation that they may become fully conscious of their previous memories at the appropriate time. In addition, the subjective experience is not schizophenic, but more like someone who remembers a previous life or has a sense of that. The two personalities are not in competion. One is past and one is present. In other words, it would just be a memory of a past life, but you're the same person.

I know this might sound incredible to you, and it's okay if you reject this. But I'm ignoring the "outsiders" for the moment just to give you some feedback.

We are right at a critical time now and I'm not sure what will happen, but the spirituality and the supernatural invovlement is going to increase dramatically as we approach Armageddon. So I tend to be very open and in-tune to things that come across my path, especially of a spiritual nature.

Here are some details, just since you're here, to make sure we're on the same path. For one, the 144,000 could be a much larger number, the 144,000 being symbolic. Secondly, the chosing is individuals from all over and irrespective of religious affilitation. If they are not familiar with the Bible, that doesn't matter, since that can be taken care of later. But basically, these persons are all to become special king-priests during the millennium IN THE FLESH. Then after the millennium they will participate in Judgment Day, and then after that is the so-called "rapture" where they will be given spiritual bodies.

The resurrection of those who are part of the first resurrection occurs before the millennium during the "last day". Just exactly how it works I don't know. But here's your key scripture. This is speaking of the resurrection of those who died before Christ died. Their resurrection is not quite the same as those who became anointed before.

Ps 45:16 "In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth."

This is a KEY text. It simply means these old faithful ones, by having to be "born again" in the flesh, would become younger than their own children. But I'm not sure of how that works. It could be from birth I suppose. I haven't thought that one through. BUT....

On that point, remember the case of Jacob and Esau. Jacob was 'chosen' from the womb! :>

CONGREGATIONAL LOGISTICS:
Let's just say that perhaps your feelings are a special sense that you are one of the chosen ones, your relating to this suggests that. And that you may be one of the resurrected ones. Just say this as a scenario. If not, it's still wonderful, you're still God's special child (as we all are). But let's just say that.

Right now, the JIOR, is in TOTAL SECRECY right now. That is they are not public. Many of them are individuals who are simply chosen and know they are chosen and are just waiting for the millennium. Others are more involved. So it depends. So in general, this would be a personal and private thing for you.

I don't know if you're in the truth or not. But if so and you do get to the point of accepting that you're anointed, I suppose it would be up to you to share that. But as far as partaking of the
Lord's evening meal, it is not necessary to that, at least not publicly, since Passover of 1993, since that is the first Passover after the Messiah arrived in the flesh on December 26, 1992.

So ultimately, as you progress spiritually, and feel encouraged to explore any feelings you have in that direction, since there is a premise of validation as far as 1) those who are chosen and 2) those who are also resurrected ones, this issue should be resolved for you, one way or another.

But your personal experience may be different or atypical, if you are to serve a special purpose, which is quite possible. But we shall see. And it is possible others may come forward with similar experiences. But in general, it is all done in secret.

So I hope some of this has been helpful to some degree. Of course, I know you're searching. So I just want to assure you, that there is a wide range of spiritual things going on and Jehovah takes good care of his anointed ones.

And as far as I can tell, the things you have experienced are within the range of what I have experienced. I have had direct voices speak to me, or indirect instructions. I have seen angels materialized and as well even the Messiah himself as a bright light. I saw the miracle of the "sign of the Son of man" in the clouds, a cloud representation of a child and a dove representing holy spirit. Anointed ones have had varying experiences in each other's presence at various stages. I've seen how the holy spirit works to cuase things to happen, etc.

Most of these things people will discount, but it is real. And if it has some meaning for you spiritually, then I know you might relate to it.

Again, thanks for sharing. I've left my E-mail address if you want to talk with me "off line" which, of course, I will be happy to do for you.

Most people here at H20 are basically harmless and I see you have a sense of humor. I can assure you, you will be special treatment since you come on a personal matter. But don't let the "non-believers" distract you and if you want to E-mail me that's fine. Though it's good to post these things as well because others may have similar feelings as you do.

Please know, though, that however this turns out for you personally (what I've told you might be far to weird for you, :>), the new order is coming and things will be more in the open then.

But again, let me reassure you, that you might be a special case for a special purpose so I wouldn't compare myself to anyone else's experiences except as it may be similar to your own. And that there is a period of kind of confusion and doubt sometimes before an anointing actually happens, but after that, you will know absolutely. So I have no doubts if this is something spiritual within Jehovah's arrangement you can be assured you will be well taken care of spiritually, either now or later, of that you can be assured.

You don't have to put yourself out on the line here if you don't want to. But whatever else you may wish to share I'd be very interested, either here (preferably) or private E-mail.

I'll just be blunt here finally. Basically I think the JIOR and the resurrected ones are going to have to come out the woodwork eventually. I don't know when or how. It's Jehovah's arrangement. But by antennae are up right now and you have my undivided attention, I can assure you.

But it's been delightful "meeting" you and I hope you share more with us. And remember these things are going to be beyond the imagination of others, so I'm just going to answer your posts in this thread. I'm just talking to you personally and ignoring the others for now.

So I'm very excited and focussed with you right now, though, certainly cautious. So please continue to share if you feel comfortable.

Best wishes to you.

And I know you're not "sick" or in pain or anything, you're just searching to resolve your questions. I hope I've opened some doors or closed some for you, either way.

Cheers,
Bibleman

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