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Posted by A laugh! [Bibleman] on November 03, 1999 at 17:04:32 {eZOTANvCI6MRXA6xmpscslyACFuF8c}:

In Reply to: ******PASSOVER FOR BIBLEMAN posted by DaJahVeu on November 03, 1999 at 11:38:06:

>>NOTE: NO DAYS ELAPSED HERE, ONLY A MATTER OF HOURS.

NOTE, five days elapsed. You're mistaken.

>8) They crucified him, V33

That's right, at the "ninth hour" which was 9:00 p.m. on the day of "preparation for passover".
If it was the same day, then this "third hour" reference would mean 9:00 a.m. Yet his final trial wasn't until NOON! How can he be impaled at 9:00 a.m. and then get down off the torture stake in order to now stand trial. And why would they impale him before his trial? Two different days are involved here.

Other scriptures say it got dark at Noon until 3:00 p.m. So how is it that he is supposed to be on the torture stake when it got dark and Pilate is just now getting seated for the trial at the same "sixth hour"? It's impossible. It doesn't work. And the reason why is because these events happened on different days.

>>9) He was dead and burried before evening, v53

True! But after his impalement at 9:00 p.m., he was on the torture stake all that night up until the next morning. At Noon it got dark and at 3:00 p.m. he then died and was thus in the "grave" beginning at 3:00 p.m. He was placed into a tomb before sunset. This was just before the sabbath day of Nisan 21st, which being a "passover sabbath" day and not the regular Saturday Sabbath, was called a "high sabbath."

>>The Sabbath day they were preparing for was a SPECIAL day.

That's right. It was preparation for the sabbath of Nisan 21st.

>>This was a day where a Sabbath Fell on
Sabbath.

Wrong. This was the weekend when the sabbath of passover fell on a Friday.

>>The 1st day of unleavened bread fell upon a Saturday, which was a regular Sabbath.

Now that's correct. And Jesus ate the Passover meal already on that 1st day of unleavened bread with his disciples as is usual for Passover since the Jews left Egypt on the 15th and that's the event they were celebrating. But this is not the sabbath day prior to Jesus' death.

>>Two Sabbaths in one you see.These were considered "SPECIAL DAYS". Ask any Jew. John 19:31.

Ha! You give me a reference! The Jews I ask say that any special sabbath is a "high day." I've heard about some saying that when two sabbaths days occur in a row then it is a "great sabbath".
But no need to argue this point. Friday Nisan 21st or Saturday Nisan 15th both qualify as a "high" sabbath day.

>>NOW, MR. B, you might sway me with your long drawn out possibilities of knowing the actual date of the fall of Jerusalem.

Oh my!! I don't believe it! Dated tablets to Year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar in 511BCE kinda convinced ya, huh? Well, that's encouraging.

>>You might even lead me to believe you personally knew a descendant of King Rehoboam;

I may, I would think some Jews today could trace their line back to him. He was a son of David, right?

>>But you can't change the plain record of something as important as the DEATH of our savior.

C'mon, Da. It's not so plain! In fact it is one of the biggest areas of presumed contradiction in the gospels. I quoted to you from the Encyclopedia Britannica where all of Christendom simply thinks that John contradicts the Synoptic gospels, with the Synoptics having the last supper eaten on the 15th and John on the 14th. So it is hardly "plain". In fact, it is unresolvable.

Jesus was supposed to be in the grave for three nights. Well, if he died on Friday afternoon, then you've only got two nights. Friday night and Saturday night. He rose on Saturday night. How "Plainly" is that THREE NIGHTS?

Mark says Jesus was impaled at the third hour yet John says his trial just started at Noon. If this is the same day then he was impaled three hours before his own trial. How plain is that?

It's not plain! The date and time of Jesus last supper has always been a major debate and detractors point to what they consider to be obvious contradictions in scripture. So "plain" is totally an inappropriate word here.

>>It's recorded, preserved and done so by EYEWITNESSES. It's that plain and simple. That might be the problem...

It's not so plain and simple, unfortunately. It has to be worked out. But it does work out just fine for Nisan 20th without any contradictions. It does not work out for Friday, Nisan 14th, under any circumstances.

Cheers,
Bibleman

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