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Posted by Gedanken [Gedanken] on November 05, 1999 at 18:04:39 {6xiCHW3gJ2HdgEG/iekYGxDfYXLgH2}:

In Reply to: ****AF-GREG DEBATE BACK ON!!! posted by Dean on November 05, 1999 at 17:23:16:

Dean,

First of all it is crystal clear that Stafford is himself a liar based on his now infamous "TravisJ45" post. Further, it is now clear that he will lie to advance his cause and to accrue praise to himself. For example, do you believe that Stafford is a patient person and the able debater that TravisJ45 claims him to be? Is it not a lie to do and say what he did and said.

Thus, Stafford is, indeed, a published author who is propagating lies which is what I said. This entire episode produces a rather acrescent taste in one's mouth. However, if you want to see another example of how Stafford has lied then you could start with the link below where Stafford claims that he did not selectively quote The Watchtower in order to advance his claims that the Society "maintained the proper outlook" with respect to 1975. (P. 308 of his 1st edition.) Any honest reader would have to conclude that Stafford manipulated the citations to advance his false claims.

Further, note that Stafford claims to be "very concerned about what was said from the podium." That does not come across in his book (have you read it?). Thus, he has not only misled people about what the Society did back then re: 1975 but he has also deliberately supressed and omitted substantive evidence that his position is wrong. That is intellectual dishonesty. In plain speech, a lie. Right? Or do you think that the Society has nothing to do with what is said from the podium?

Gedanken

- Stafford, Cygnus & 1975

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