# **Response to AF: Part One

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Posted by Rational crctd [trw] on November 02, 1999 at 15:59:30 {.c1iAaocfMYgCUWv3.1cm0FN8UzOHE}:

In Reply to: *Response to AF: Part One posted by Cygnus on November 02, 1999 at 13:04:24:

Cygnus,

Might as well give it up. All you're gonna get from Mr. Stafford is the same kind of obfuscation, weasel-words, and ad-hominems that we frequently get from Friend. (Could they be one and the same? Or is the strong similarity in their abuse of logic and language simply a common consequence of repeatedly rationalizing the Society's "doublespeak"?)

Notice how Stafford jumps all over AF for understanding Stafford's words in the way any one of us would have understood them:

> "who study the scriptures apart from the creeds of post-biblical Christianity".

Stafford rants at length that AF misrepresented his statement, when in fact Stafford's own language was ambiguous. There is a great difference between speaking of "the creeds of post-biblical Christianity" (what he said) and "the post-biblical creeds of Christianity" (what he claims he meant). It seems to me more than a bit disingenuous for Stafford to ask AF

> "What in the world would make you think I would be using the term in the general, non-technical sense,"

... as if everyone has read "J. N. D. Kelly’s book The Early Christian Creeds, 3d ed. (New York: Longman, 1972)" and would just naturally assume he was using the term "creed" as defined therein. (I know, I know, he's probably just impressing us with his credentials.)

I just wish I had read this "response" from Stafford to AF before I wasted my money on his book. Oh well, live and learn.

Rational

Follow Ups:

- ***Response to AF: Part One Cygnus 23:59:38 11/02/99 (0)
- ***Response to AF: Part One Al; 18:54:48 11/02/99 (0)
- ***Response to AF: Part One Friend 17:16:29 11/02/99 (6)
  - ****Response to AF: Part One Rational 18:13:21 11/02/99 (5)
    - *****Response to AF: Part One Friend 18:34:29 11/02/99 (4)
      - ******Response to AF: Part One Rational 06:14:13 11/03/99 (3)
        - *******Response to AF: Part One Friend 07:18:21 11/03/99 (2)
          - ********Response to AF: Part One Rational 09:13:06 11/03/99 (1)
            - *********Response to AF: Part One Friend 09:46:43 11/03/99 (0)
- ***Response to AF: Part One Farkel 16:27:31 11/02/99 (1)
  - ****Response to AF: Part One Rational 17:24:48 11/02/99 (0)

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