# ***LOGICAL 1ST RESURRECTION!

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Posted by Kinsman [TG] on October 30, 1999 at 18:10:33 {G0PnT/qYmkJ8G5e9xHp6qXkUpQVXdM}:

In Reply to: **LOGICAL 1ST RESURRECTION! posted by Bibleman on October 30, 1999 at 16:30:35:

Greetings,

I may be a total looney Kinsman, but one thing is for certain and that is the Bible does teach this.

Yes you very well may be totally looney; …that is about the only thing you’ve said that can be taken with anything approaching ‘certainty’.

The Bible does teach that faithful ones of old will have part of the "better resurrection" and that the sons of the kingdom (who are sleep) would see "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" sitting in the kingdom while they are outside.

But this says nothing of what you have said. Don’t you get it …the only ones walking among us claiming such nonsense are those that are locked up in mental health institutions. That’s where one can find these already resurrected faithful ones. These institutions contain all those making serious claims of being Moses, Daniel, and Abraham. …In fact several claim to be the returned ‘Son of God’. …BTW …Which one are you?

Think about it. Moses, Daniel, Abraham! Would Jehovah deprive them from being part of the Bride Class just because they were born too early? NONSENSE!

Of course not! There is no two faithful class system its all rubbish. The resurrection can be completely accomplished in ways without the use of the unseen, invisible, improvable, resurrections that even Paul railed at! …Give it up, you can’t prove a thing and your interpretation is without context! …If you really believe in this stuff …just wait for it to ‘really’ happen! There is no need to make up ‘invisible’ ‘improvable’ fulfillments to sooth your soul. It just hasn’t happened! …nothing …nada!
The technical resurrection is a bit trickier, of course, and I don't blame you for being skeptical. It's sort of sci-fi when you deal with the reality of it. But this is part of the "new wine" that is too potent for those too indoctrinated with the standard ideas. It's difficult for them to accept these things. So, of course, some of the high-spiritual things will seen completely baffling to some and they won't be able to accept it.

It’s certainly not science fiction, I could deal with that. Similar stuff is spewed via the immortality of the soul crowd, but your stuff is much more like that spewed by Miller, Barbour, Russell, Rutherford, and now the Bibleman! : ) It’s all complete ‘supernatural’ hogwash!

So it's perfectly okay not to listen to crazy me. But don't ignore scripture.
So.... you have to deal with whether or not you completely understand the first resurrection, who is involved, when it takes place and how, and how all that interacts with the millennial reign of Christ.

Who is involved? We don’t know! God is judge not you, oh Bibleman! And it’s not really important anyway.

When? …If it happens; it will happen in the future; it hasn’t happened yet. Except in the minds of those involved or tainted by the ‘Apocalyptic Sects’. And even then it is in their minds and not centered in ‘reality’ as we know it.

How? …Unambiguously! All will see it and we won’t need Bibleman and conversations such as this one; will not be required.

Are you so sure you have the complete and full understanding of these things?

Of course not …you are the one who is saying this! …I’ll just wait on ‘reality’, Bibleman, and leave the wishful dreaming to you. : )

Kind Regards – Kinsman

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