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Posted by Bibleman [Bibleman] on October 28, 1999 at 17:47:15 {BrTq3yWfsYMSSTtTA17sslyACFuF8c}:

In Reply to: *******Jan/AL:Inspired Prophecy! posted by Al; on October 28, 1999 at 14:49:12:

THAAANK-YOU.

1. yes (29ce)
2. don't know (20TH)
3. don't know (Cyrus)

>>Why am I already supposed to know about things that I am asking about? That don't add up.

It adds up when you think prophecy is "vague" and when you claim you were interested in these prophecies. Come to find out you are not familiar with them. So I'm glad I asked. And that is WHY I asked. I can give you the information you need.

>>I have a another question. Do you give different references depending on what one think of a given
subject? I want both or all sources.

It matters on whether you have a preconceived idea about things or whether you are totally open. I have to give you the references to get you from where your current beliefs are and what you already know to where you need to be.

For instance, Jan Haugland and A.F. and COJ are totally familiar with WTS chronology and they have their own views, say, about the "70 years" being a time of "servitude" to Babylon. So since I believe it is literal 70 years, I quote Josephus which says the 70 years began in the 23rd year of Neb-2. That contradicts that belief. But for a witness, who accepts the WTS teaching on this who already believe the 70-year exile is literal, I don't have to give that reference. It's not necessary. But what I would do is point out that the 70-year exile began in the 23rd year and not the 19th year and then I'd point out the reference to that (happens to be the same one, but for different reasons).

See, so it matters.

Now in your case, you "don' know" when the prophecy should be fulfilled and so I don't have to worry about any references regarding the 20th of Artaxerxes, I can just go directly to the 1st of Cyrus fulfillment references. Which makes it a lot easier.

Of course, the first reference is Biblical which gives when the prophecy is to be fulfilled which is "when the word goes forth to rebuild Jerusalem"
(Daniel 9:25)

The word to rebuild Jerusalem, both the temple and the walls was done by Cyrus in his first year.

A secular reference to Cyrus commanding the Jews to rebuild both city and temple is found in a letter Josephus quotes in "Antiquities" Book XI, Chapter 1, par 3. You can look this up, but the beginning of the quote says: King Cyrus to Sisinnes and Sathrabuzanes, sendeth greeting. "I have given leave to as many of the Jews tha dwell in my country as please to return to their own country, and to rebuild their city, and to reuild the temple of God at Jerusalem..."

Therefore, this establishes when the prophecy was to begin to be fulfilled which is in the 1st of Cyrus. That dates the 1st of Cyrus in 455BCE.

Now here is a great reference on chronology that agrees with the dating in 455B.C.E. basically.

> 3589 AH = 454 BC = 1st yr of Cyrus, Sole-Rex, end of the 70 years of servitude (inclusive reckoning),
> return from captivity under Zerubbabel; Year 54 of the 70 years of indignation (Zech 1:7,12,16). 454 BC,
> beginning of 483 years of Dan 9:24-26: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of
> the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince, shall be seven weeks
> (49 years), and threescore and two weeks (434 years): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in
> troublous times." (49 + 434 = 483.) Cyrus gave the command to restore and build Jerusalem. Isa 44:28
> says, "That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to
> Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built: and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid."
> Anstey said, "The true date of the 1st year of Cyrus is therefore B.C. 454, not B.C. 536, which
> makes the chronology of this period 82 years too long." He explained that Ptolemy made a mistake in the
> Persian period and said, "But in chronology he (Ptolemy) was only a late compiler and contriver, not an
> original witness, and not a contemporary historian, for he lived in the second century after Christ. He is
> the only authority for the chronology of this period. He is not corroborated. He is contradicted, both by
> the Persian National Traditions preserved in Firdusi, and by the Jewish National Traditions preserved in
> the Sedar Olam, and by the writings of Josephus."

The link for the entire article on chronology which I don't totally agree with but will give you some background is as follows:

MJ Agee's Chronology Page

And that's it.

Let me know if you need any more references, I do have some more.

Cheers,
Bibleman

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