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Posted by Bibleman [Bibleman] on October 30, 1999 at 00:16:49 {G0PnT/qYmkMRXA6xmpscslyACFuF8c}:

In Reply to: Bibleman Question posted by petro on October 29, 1999 at 20:33:39:

I have always wonder about a scripture that speaks
of the "day star rising in your heart". Can you
help me understand this. Is it about a time period
that will come or be fulfilled in some way? Help.

Wow! I have too. Exactly where is that scripture? (Just kidding, I found it. :> I looked under "star" first, but "daystar" is one word.) 1 Peter 1:19 says:

> "Consequently we have the prophetic word made more sure; and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and the daystar rises, in your hearts."

Basically, this is a reference to Jesus Christ himself in his representation in the Heavens as the "sun". So this is a great scripture. Basically, though, it is just another reference to Jesus' Second Coming only here being metaphorically represented as the dawning of the sun.

Several references in Revelation to Jesus as the "morning star" (i.e. the sun)(Rev. 2:28) and a "great star burning as a lamp" (8:10,11), the "star that fell to the earth with the key to the abyss" (9:1), and finally 22:16 where he implicitly states, "I, Jesus...am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT MORNING STAR."

So the "sun" in scripture and in the minds of the apostles was a concept they had of Jesus Christ, as bright burning lamp. So this reference to the "daystar" rising in their hearts is a reference to Jesus Christ and their hopes surrounding his Second Coming.

Of note, a critical reference to Jesus as the "sun" is at Matthew 24:29 where it says: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days [i.e. the HOLOCAUST] the SUN will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

This is more allegory. In this case, again the "sun" is representative of Jesus and the "moon" of his bride, the 144,000; and the stars falling from heaven likely the angels that are cast out of heaven when Satan and his angels are cast down to the earth.

The specific understanding of this, however, tells us that the Messiah himself would be in "spiritual darkness" along with the Bride Class during a short period immediately after the "great tribulation" ends. This "great tribulation" is as prophesied in Daniel 12 and is connected with a timetable that ends the tribulation and the trampling of the "holy ones" (the Jews) after 1290 days, but the Messiah would arrive in kingdom power 45 days after that to fulfill 1335 days. That is 45 years after 1947 when the Jews returned to Palestine is when the Messiah was to arrive.

So how is it that there is darkness of the "sun"?

The darkness of the sun and moon relates to the specific spiritual darkening with respect to how the Messiah would actually effect his Second Coming. That is, neither the Messiah nor the Bride Class would have understanding during this 45-year period that the Messiah would 1) Come in the flesh, and 2) Must fulfill the parable of the "prodigal son", that is, take up the identity of one of his imperfect, sinful-turned-repentent anointed ones.

Basically, if everybod knew ahead of time about the Prodigal Son becoming the Messiah then likely the test would not work. This phase had to be done in secret so that it was real. Thus the person who would become the Messiah himself did not know he would become the Messiah until it actually occurred. But neither did the Bride Class, primarily referring to the "anointed remnant" of Jehovah's witnesses who are represented by the Moon. By the way, the Moon does not originate light, but gets its light by reflection from the sun.

So thanks for this text by the way. It certainly makes it clear that the Messiah represented allegorically the "sun" and his wife the "moon".

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Okay, now that I have Beaver's undivided attention (Hi gorgeous one! :>). Please note that the early doctrines of the WTS as found in the "Studies in the Scriptures" had always made a big deal out of the "Annunciation" Date, that is, the presumed time that Mary was told she would become pregnant and at that time became overshadowed by Holy spirit. Of note, if the Messiah would arrive around the time of the festival of Booths, then he would have been conceived around the winter solstice, that is, the time of the "birth of the sun", when the days start to become longer than the night.

Thus they considered the date of the "annunciation" to be December 25th. Nine months later would be Jesus' birthdate. Basically, we date his birth around October 1st right? Nine months later.

This is too coincidental to ignore. In China, a person's age includes the time from conception and not just the time they got spanked after coming out of the womb. So in a sense, Jesus does have two "birth dates" if you want to use that very, very loosely. And unfortuantely, (well...) one of them apparently is around December 25th. But this is appropriate if Jesus is considered the "sun".

Thus when Jesus went from Heaven to earth, and went from spirit form to fleshly form at the first coming, it was around December 25th which is near the winter solstince and the time of the "birth of the sun." When he arrived again in human form when he took up kingdom power in 1992, again, it was on December 25th. The "sign of the Son of man" appeared the day after that on the 26th.

So there's a LINK! A direct link with the planets, the moon and sun, and Jewish/Biblical events.

So what about Christmas? It's just another attempt by Satan to get himself worshipped! By the way, Satan originally was Jesus' "woman" as he is called at Genesis 3:15 (i.e. the enmity "between the woman and her seed and you and your seed" was Jehovah speaking to Jesus, the woman and her seed representing Satan and his demon angels versus Jesus (Michael) and his faithful angels).
So the Moon was originally representative of the angel we now call Satan and who was originally Jesus' wife. Now the 144,000 have replaced Satan as Jesus' wife. (Yes, Jesus is divorced and this is his second wife. Only this time, he tests his wife for faithfulness first! Not making the same mistake twice here...).

And that is our basic reference to Jesus being the "sun" and the Bride Class being the "moon" and the angels being the "stars" mentioned at Matthew 24:29.

So you see, everything in the physical universe, has been made to represent many things in the Heavens, particularly in relation to the earth. In that sense, the sun is Jesus/Michael, the Moon the Bride Class, and the Earth their children, mankind.

Isn't that neat.

Please note. I'm not responsible for further explanation or if this is disturbing news. I did put up a warning. :> (Just kidding...no bigee).

Cheers,
Bibleman

And thanks for that scripture! I needed another Sun=Michael/Jesus Scripture. Jesus is truly the STAR of our hearts....is he not?

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