# ********Awake! 12/8/99

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Posted by Friend [Friend] on October 28, 1999 at 15:56:31 {BrTq3yWfsYhxaL3hj3H2OgnjR4Br/g}:

In Reply to: *******Awake! 12/8/99 posted by Luis on October 28, 1999 at 13:02:42:

Luis

Regarding Luke 21:10,11 I asked 1) what is the "great signs from heaven" and 2) is that germane to identifying the time for which Jesus was asked for a sign?

You answered:

> These words allude to what Jesus goes on to say in verses 25-27: "Also, there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation, while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of man coming...." This cosmic commotion, which the Society states is still future, precedes our Lords Parousia. The "sign of the Son of man" that is linked with this cosmic commotion is the "sign of your presence" that Christ's disciples asked for.

I take that your answer to 1 above is "the sign of the Son of man", which you agree represents an answer to the question for a sign of Jesus parousia and the end of the age.

Though you answered the question (I think) regarding Luke 21:10,11, I notice that you did not answer the subsequent question, How do you explain the clear association between "great signs from heaven" and war, great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, etc…?

You appear to draw a distinction between the "great signs from heaven" and other events mentioned in the same verse though the text in question holds all those events as equals in respect to Jesus answer without distinction.

I would still like your answer to the question, How do you explain the clear association between "great signs from heaven" and war, great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, etc…?

You also claim, "‘Personal disagreement’ alone would suffice to disfellowship anyone." Please show me where elders are authorized to disfellowship based upon "personal disagreement alone".

Friend

Follow Ups:

- *********Awake! 12/8/99 Luis 17:12:58 10/28/99 (6)
  - **********Awake! 12/8/99 Friend 17:28:08 10/28/99 (5)
    - ***********Awake! 12/8/99 Luis 18:00:58 10/28/99 (4)
      - ************Awake! 12/8/99 Friend 19:44:18 10/28/99 (2)
        - *************Awake! 12/8/99 Luis 05:07:26 10/29/99 (1)
          - **************Awake! 12/8/99 Friend 06:49:51 10/29/99 (0)
      - ************Awake! 12/8/99 Luis 19:39:41 10/28/99 (0)

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