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Posted by Chag [Chag] on October 30, 1999 at 06:02:04 {G0PnT/qYmk0hi4VK0MIQI2g0UxEvQY}:

shorty,
here is a just a little of my opinion only. you said.....

You know I have been watching this whole thing and reading through the comments. I have began to see something that bothers me and this is. many of you have no real bible knowledge just a bad attitude.
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I asked a question regarding getting baptized into your religion and these were the answers I recieved. Please take note that no JW answered. Here are just 2 of the answers:

Are you asking about the questions that the elder body go through with you? Or are you asking for the immeadiate two questions just before the big dunk???

If it's the later then here you are....

WT June 1, 1985 p. 30
(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit directed organization?

and

In Christian churches, immediatley before a person is immersed their name is said and then the workds "I baptise you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit".

For Jehovah's Witnesses, they lsiten to a talk, then are asked if they recognise they are being baptised into the Father, the Son and the spirit directed orgnaization. Nothing more is said and they do not have anything said to them in the pool like in a church.
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Read Matthew 28:16 - 20. Even YOUR Bible says that Jesus told the diciples to go baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit. Do you think Jesus approves of not being baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit? Do you think he would approve of being baptized in the name of an organization instead? I also noticed that in verse 17, the translators of your Bible took the word worshipped out and used "did obeisance". The diciples worshipped Jesus. I looked up the word obeisance and this is the definition of the word:

obeisance, from Middle French obeissance, from obeissant, present participle of obeir to obey]

First appeared 14th Century

1 : a movement of the body made in token of respect or submission : BOW

Therefore, it means the same thing as worshipped. I spoke to one Jehovah's Witness that told me it is wrong to worship Jesus. The Bible says that it isn't. Jesus' disciples did. Do you think we should worship Jesus? Is what the JW I spoke to wrong or do you really teach that it is a sin to bow down to Jesus and worship him? What Bible knowlege do you have regarding these 2 subjects. Any input? If I choose to follow Jesus words regarding baptism, does that mean in your opinion that I have a bad attitude?

Thank you,
Chag

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- *shorty FRED HALL 07:19:43 10/30/99 (6)
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