# *****Awake! 12/8/99

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Posted by Friend [Friend] on October 28, 1999 at 09:51:13 {BrTq3yWfsYrRIg7iiOekOgnjR4Br/g}:

In Reply to: ****Awake! 12/8/99 posted by Luis on October 28, 1999 at 08:58:07:

Luis

> But the Society, claiming to be the one and only true channel, has not stated things regarding Jesus' Return with the impression that the statement was "what they think to be true to the best of their ability" as my first post shows:

I disagree with your reading of the Society’s statements in this regard. I do not believe the Society has ever maintained that its ideas on the Bible are infallible. I do not believe the Society has ever maintained less or more than that what they think to be true is to the best of their ability. Along those lines the Society’s position is one of extreme confidence practically to the point of arrogance, but not to the point of asserting infallibility. Less proclaiming itself infallible the Society then yields that its ideas can be wrong (though they obviously think they are right), which I think they have maintained from the beginning. Frankly, though, any association of people thinking they are correct on perceived life or death issues will likely assert its views strongly and with extreme confidence.

It is certainly true that the Society (FDS) represents itself as the only “true channel”. In my opinion, that has more to do with its extreme confidence and perception of experiences than it does some sort of direct inspiration from God. As for people being disfellowshipped over disagreements about teachings, that has to do with causing divisions rather than personal disagreement. The Society does not advocate disfellowshipping JWs just because they happen to hold some divergent idea. It is only by sowing discord amongst JWs, away from the aspirations of JWs, that divergent views lead to shunning.

> It is my conviction that the only "sign" that Jesus gave for the imminence of his Parousia or Return ("coming") is what HE states in Matthew 24:30: "And then the SIGN of the Son of man will appear in heaven...and they will see the Son of man coming..."

In that case I would appreciate your comments regarding Luke 21:10 and 11. It says:

> > “Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.”—Luke 21:10,11 NIV

What is the “great signs from heaven” and is that germane to identifying the time for which Jesus was asked for a sign? If so, how do you explain the clear association between “great signs from heaven” and war, great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, etc…?

Friend

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