# *LoyalorHypocrite?: Friend

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Posted by Friend N Flux [1] on October 29, 1999 at 19:15:55 {CAtoZJLIp2oLB7Y6H2dwO5mu/o1Vh.}:

In Reply to: LoyalorHypocrite?: Friend posted by WorldlyWitness on October 29, 1999 at 18:14:12:

When are you going to admit your own worst fears and get on with the healing?
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just a few thoughts about my man friend

> Posted by Friend [Friend] on October 28, 1999 at 17:28:08
> {BrTq3yWfsYhxaL3hj3H2OgnjR4Br/g}:

> In Reply to: *********Awake! 12/8/99 posted by Luis on October 28,
> 1999 at 17:12:58:

> Luis

> As far as being disfellowshiped for a "personal disagreement
> alone", a judicial committee is now in the works for a friend who
> expressed to two elders that he doesn't believe that the Society is
> the "faithful and discreet slave." Even in Franz's book "Crisis of
> Conscience" on page 293 a copy of a letter from the Society states
> that point.

> Yes, I am familiar with that outdated letter. Please, show me something that
> elders actually have that authorizes disfellowshipping for "personal
> disagreement alone". I contend that you will not find such authorization.
> Regarding personal and deviant views I contend that you will only find
> authorization for shunning action if those deviant views are used to sow
> discord.

> Posted by Luis [followthelamb] on October 29, 1999 at 05:07:26
> {CAtoZJLIp2Qr78U8rp0YTco2oJsp5U}:

> In Reply to: ************Awake! 12/8/99 posted by Friend on October
> 28, 1999 at 19:44:18:

> Hi Friend:

> ========================

> I have seen very little criticism of JW doctrine on this forum,

> for 70 yrs you and other jw knocked on folks doors and told them that THE BIBLE TAUGHT this generation of 1914 would not die off,

> you studied with folks told them it was TAUGHT BY THE BIBLE,

> yOU went so afar as to say in the masthead of the Awake that ,God himself had promised that this genEration OF 1914 would not die off BEFORE THE WORLD ENDED

> simply question

> Did god actually promise that the gen of 1914 would not die off BEFORE THE WOLRD ENDED /or did the Publishers of your publications simply sign god's name to something that was merely the opinion of a group of men on the editoral staff of the wt?

> thanks

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> Thanks for your post. I am aware of the references you made. Like I have
> said, "sowing discord" or "undermining confidence in Jehovah's
> arrangement" can be loosely defined by elders very easily. Regarding your
> contention, my own personal experience has seen otherwise.
> =================

> Like I have said, "sowing discord" or "undermining confidence in Jehovah's
> arrangement" can be loosely defined by elders very easily. Regarding your
> contention, my own personal experience has seen otherwise.

i have followed YOUR POST with friend and a few of the other guys and you will find that friend is indeed
a good man who is willing to dialog in a respectful way, he not into the name calling stuff that so many jw are into when they get in a bind

but i'm sure you have come to see a jw who is in FLUX , in the past i have refered to him as a man struggling with issues.

as you go back and read his post you see a bro who attempts to paint a Kinder/ Gentlier WT World

if anyone has served as an elder for any period of time it's not rocket science to know that anyone who questions wt dogma is "gangrene in the making"

and MUST be dealt with, can you see a bro telling an elder he don't think
the FDS is who they claim and then waving the articles that freind posted in his face saying:

"The society says i can have different views"

as we all know the wheels of judical action will start to roll

even if he hasn't told anyone, it will be due to the POSSIBLE threat her poses even if he has said nothing

in your avg congo, with your avg Joe Blow Elder, the elder would tell the PO , the PO would setup exploratory commmittte, they would report back to the body:

"YEP HE SAYS THE FDS IS NOT THE MOUTH PC"

a judical committte is setup, my man is asked: "Do you question the claim of the fds as god's mouthpc"

and if he said yes

he's OUTTA THERE

now this is where friend comes in -- my man ask for an appeal , the CO is contacted and told it's a case of apostasy

he sets up new committeee, they meet ,---- ask the same question,- my man says the same thing-- they uphold the first comm.

Then my man writes a letter to the Service Desk with the EXACT ARTICLES THAT FRIEND REF;

MY OLD ROOMATE get the letter reads it and tells his sec to type a response

now in view of the fact that my man has stated to "NO ONE ELSE" beyond the elders that he thinks the FDS is
a few fries short of a HAPPY MEAL.

What do you think my old roommate will say about my man's "PERSONAL VIEW OF THE FDS"

we all know the ANSWER TO THAT ONE

i only can conclude that our dear bro friend has alot of stock in wt world, either in time, energy, family, etc
HE dearly wants to hold on to his Beach Front Property he feels that the Timeshare Coupon he was given on the day of his baptism is still good and AROUND THE CORNER he will get to use it

only if he had flipped it over on the back and saw it says he is assigned WEEK 53

as he post one clearly sees a man holding 2 opposite views while proclaiming both to be correct

he had posted a link to some of his views such as :

1. the Society has been doing a pc false peophecying-

something that I have never seen any jw who defends the society say. The closest you can get the avg jw is "Well they had good intentions" but to form thier lips and use Society and false prophecying in the same breath no way

2. there are other folks who are christions serving god besides jw- another unheard of view by the avg jw

and he has a nice little list that by any Real Society Man view would at least merit an Investaigation commmitte smile

i do commend him though for at least being willing to look at material and engage in converstaions that for all my life were just UNTHINKABLE TO JW due to the condidtioning fromt he Society.

he appears to be truly a conserned bro esp for the pub right to think for themsleves -- who is caught between perhaps what he wants WT to be and what WT IS

Personally i have come to realize that folks are at different stages and levels in thier acceptance or rejection of WT World

some are at level #1--anything in print Jah has spoken-

Now that was me a real society man ---anything the slave said had god's smile of approval and if--- not god will clean it up in his due time i just needed to wait

Others are at level # 10 where i am now- wt is just another Corporation like Sears or K-Mart the only diffenerence is they masquarade around claiming to be the Mouth pc for god

i find that friend is somewhere in between-

but the moment that a jw starts acknowledging the Goffyness of the stuff that the Boys in Writng have claimed was from god - the harder it is to put the Genie back into the bottle

so my only wish for friend is that he continue to be willing to at least look at the other side
and the passing of time will do what is has always done ----- reveal things for what they really are

luis i enjoyed your post along with nemrod on the issues that you guys discussed with friend keep up the good work

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