# **Liberal Elder

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Posted by jimmyjames [jimmyjames] on October 29, 1999 at 08:31:19 {CAtoZJLIp20hi4VK0MIQijuk77B9Xg}:

In Reply to: *Liberal Elder posted by Amandita on October 29, 1999 at 05:14:41:

> Nobody makes ordinary Moonies or JWs believe anything that they don't want to believe.

On the contrary. JWs (and more so for Moonies) are subjected to the same type of destructive cult mindset that coerces them into believing anything the leaders want them to.

> The fact is that most people who are converted to the Moonies leave the Moonies and hundreds of thousands have left and are leaving the JWs. So so-called mind control doesn't work.

And why, exactly, does it usually take deprogramming, exit counseling, burnout, kickout, among other things for those Moonies to leave?

Most JWs leave only because they were forced to by disfellowshipment. And many carry with them the mind control, still feeling guilty and believing that they're doomed to die at Armageddon unless they are a member of the group. If you deny that mind control "works", then you must not know much about it.

> I have a girlfriend who hasn't spoken to me for years and refuses to listen to anything about the organization

And mind control doesn't work, huh?

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