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Posted by Bibleman [Bibleman] on October 23, 1999 at 22:57:40 {Fflr7qpqSgMSSTtTA17sslyACFuF8c}:

In Reply to: Question to Bibleman posted by Questioner on October 23, 1999 at 18:39:40:

Hi,

That's an interesting observation. I can only speculate what it might specifically mean in harmony with other scriptures.

Iron basically represents a white persons and culture and copper that of "black" persons. "Chaldean" relates to "copper colored people".

So if there was significance to this it would suggest the banding would be related first by something white-related and then by something black-related.

If you try to apply this to the Messiah's first and second coming, there might be some significance. That's because in Revelation 1:15 describes his head and hair were white but his feet were like copper, that is, "fine copper." Also 2:18 says: "..These are what the Son of God says, he who has his eyes like a firery flame, and his feet are like fine copper.."

So if somehow this is a reflection of suggestion of the Messiah being related to the kingdom. The bands representing the kingdom being reserved for him, then it might represent the racial character of his first and second coming. His first coming as a Jew would be as a "white" man, but his second coming as Melchizedek would be as a black man.

So if there is anything signficant, it is consistent with the nature of his first and second coming. Also of note, the hair of Jesus, like his father is said to like "wool" suggesting he has a "natural" (a style of hair once popular among blacks about the time the Jackson-5 came out).

So that works very well if we presume this is an indication that he would first appear as a white man (a Jew from the tribe of Judah) and then at his second coming as a black man, technically, an "ethiopion eunuch."

So that's a very interesting observation.
Thank-you!

Cheers,
Bibleman

P.S. Of note a previous reference to "iron" representing persons of white extraction is found at Daniel 7:7 where the fourth beast is said to have teeth like "iron, big ones." Suggesting white supremacist oppression which is associated with Western culture and in paricular characterizes Euro-christian Society as represented by the 666-BEAST.

Tha's because when you calculate the name of the Beast based upon it's primary "trinity" doctrine, you get the modern symbolic name for white supremacy in the initials "KKK" which would be a primary character of the beast. Of note, the head of that beast that receives the death stroke and revives, and thus a focus on it being the head that is the "disgusting thing causing desolation" to the Jews during the HOLOCAUST, is representative of Nazi Germany whose primary theme was white supremacy.

To calculate the number into a name, you simply add the three sixes together to get 18 and then you add to that the total number of the digits which would be three, to get 21. Then you replace the numbers with the 21st letter of the Hebrew alphabet. But, since this is based upon the trinity doctrine which says "three gods are one god", the three sixes, being the same digit are not three numbers but only one number, so instead of adding 3 to 18 we just add 1 to 18 to get 19. And we then replace the three sixes with the 19th letter of the Hebrew alphabet.

How do we do that? We just go to Psalms "111" and find the 19th letter to be "Koph" which replaces the three sixes = "KKK".

Thus the number and name of the beast helps us understand that apostate Christianity would be focussed in the European nations and that the Europeans would promulgate doctrines that they were the "master race" which would lead to the oppression of other peoples in the world.

And if you check below, you'll see quotes from the WTS which definitely generalize the idea that whites in the early 1900's felt that they were particularly a blessed people because they advanced in "Christianity", thus a direct connection between Christianity and the white races was a common concept, Christianity being the primary religion of the white man, not that other races aren't also Christian.

And again, while the culture is generally Eurocentric, consciously or otherwise, Nazi Germany played a key role in becoming the "disgusting thing in a holy place" in that it caused the "great tribulation" to occur to the Jews, and their chief focal doctrine was the extreme concept of white supremacy. So while the European nations did make Christianithy their primary religion, they still held onto social and political ideas of racial superiority for whites, ignoring the Bible's position that "all men are created equal."

Anyway, symbolically, "iron" refers to white people and issues and "copper" to black people and issues. If the banding reflects this also, it would reflect the first coming in iron and the second coming in copper.

So thanks! This would just be the preliminary thoughts on this.

Cheers,
Bibleman

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