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| Although not an "FCC" tape, Q1289 does contain some ham radio conversation between Georgetown and Jonestown. The tape was made on Nov 18, 1978 just hours before the tragedy in Jonestown. Both Q1289 and Q1290 were made by the American Consul, Douglas Ellice. A more detailed summery of these tapes will be posted in the future. Check back for updates. |
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| The following is a transcript of cassette tape, Q1289, released by the State Department to Josef Dieckman on 31 December, 2007.
The transcription was completed on 13 February 2008 Q1289 Side 1 [phone sounds] Mrs. Ellice: Hello. Male 1: Hello, is Mr. Ellice in? Mrs. Ellice: Yes. Just a minute please. Male 1: Ok, thank you. [talking in background] Doug: Hello. Male 1: Hello, Mr. Ellice? Doug: Yes. Male 1: This is [unintelligible] Doug: Hi, [unintelligible] Male 1: Uh, Sharon Amos called. Doug: Yah. Male 1: And she wants you to call her. Doug: Thank you. Male 1: And you got her number� Doug: Yup�thank you. Male 1: Bye. Doug: Bye bye. Male 1: Bye. [sounds of phone being dialed, ringing, extraneous noise and conversation in background] Mrs. Ellice: Hello?! Three times I dialed [unintelligible] Sharon Amos: Hello? Mrs. Ellice: Oh, hello. Excuse me. Uh, [unintelligible] just a minute. [someone says, �Sharon��unclear as to who the speaker is] Mrs. Ellice: Uh, this is Mrs. Ellice. My husband [unintelligible] Sharon: Hello? Doug: Hello, Sharon? Sharon: Yes. Doug: Yah, this is Doug. Sharon: Yah. Doug: The Embassy just called me, said you wanted to talk to me. Sharon: Oh, no. I already talked to you. You call- I mean� Doug: I called you. Sharon: I guess this is before. Doug: Oh�OK�I di- I, I�ve been out of the house this morning. So I guess uh, the Marine didn�t know that I�ve already spoken to you. Sharon: Do you know where Jim Schollaert is? He wanted to come and talk to Dick Dwyer [unintelligible] radio. I don�t know if it�s too late or not. I�ve been trying to get him all morning. Doug: Uh�last I knew he was at the Embassy. But that was an hour ago. Sharon: Oh, I see. Doug: Uh�He wanted to talk to Dick Dwyer on the radio? Sharon: Uh-huh. Doug: Ok, well�what do you want me to do? Try to find him and tell him to go over to the house? Sharon: Well, it�s�it depends uh, if he comes right, uh�see�it�s getting close to the time when they�re gonna be leaving, so [unintelligible] lemme check. Hold on. [speaking to Mike Carter in Jonestown via the ham radio] Sharon: Copy? Mike: Roger. Sharon: Is it too late for Jim Schollaert to talk to Dick Dwyer? Mike: Uh, stand by. Why? Is he over there now? Sharon: No. I�m still trying to reach him. Mike: Uh, I think it�s gonna get too late by-by the time, eh, he [unintelligible string] probably too late, �cus their gonna leave in 20 minutes. Sharon: He has to leave in 20 minutes? Mike: [unintelligible] Sharon: Ok. I just need to talk to him when he gets in then. Mike: What�s that? Sharon: I just need to talk to him when he comes in to the airport. Mike: Yah, [unintelligible string] Sharon: Ok. Thanks, Mike. Stand by. Mike: Ok, roger. Sharon: Ok, [unintelligible] too late. Doug: OK. Sharon: But I�ve been trying to reach him all morning. Would you tell him that because�. Doug: Sure. And you haven�t heard anything yet about any�excuse me, I�m about to snee� Sharon: About what? Doug: [attempts to suppress sneeze] hold on a minute�. Sharon: OK. Doug: [sneezes] Excuse me. Sharon: You got a cold, huh? Doug: I had to sneeze. Yah, I got a terrible cold. You haven�t heard anything yet about any delays? We can still count on leaving at 2 o�clock? Sharon: [unintelligible] got it all set to leave [unintelligible] leaving in 20 minutes which gives them only an hour. Doug: Yah, ok�great. Alrighty. I�ll tell Jim that you�re looking for him. Sharon: Well�might as well not now, because�just tell him he can talk to Dick Dwyer when he comes in. Doug: Alright. Will do. Sharon: OK. Doug: See ya later. Sharon: K, bye. Doug: B-Bye [phone being dialed and ringing�unrelated conversations in the background] Marine: Good afternoon. United States Embassy. Doug: Yah, [unintelligible] Doug Ellice. Is, uh�James Schollaert there? He was, he�s the uh, staffer on the Congressman�s uh, trip. He was up with there [sic] with the ambassador with Mr. English earlier this morning. Marine: Ok. This morning when Mr�. the ambassador came in, he came in by himself, and uh, Mr. English was here but he was by himself. Doug: Well, Mr. Schollaert was there �cuz he called me from the embassy. Marine: I see. We-, no, I haven�t seen him. Hold on. Lemme ask Mr. Weaver if he knows. [covers phone and speaks to someone nearby�.mentions �Mr. Ellice.�] Doug: Yah� [thinking he is being addressed by Male 2] Marine: Uh, no he�s not, Mr. Ellice. Doug: Ok, good. Thanks a lot. Can you hook me up to the ambassador�s office? Marine: Ok. Sure can. [background noise] Marine: Mr. Ellice, he�s on ano- nother line right now. Would you hold for a while? Doug: Sure. Marine: OK. [background noise] Burke: Yes� Doug: Sir�Sir, this is Doug Ellice. Burke: Oh, Doug, yah. I was on the other line with Peter Londono. Doug: Oh. Ok�uh�the Peoples Temple just called me and they wanted to find Mr. Schollaert because he apparently wanted to talk to Dick Dwyer. They wanted�Peoples Temple wanted Mr. Schollaert to know that they probably weren�t going to be able to put it through to Dick because the group is rounding itself up now and getting ready to go down to the airstrip in another hour. Burke: Oh, it sounds like they�ve�well, I guess it�ll take, it�ll take a while. So maybe the 2 o�clock uh, departure time is gonna hold, huh? Doug: Yes. They have, they have no information to indicate that it won�t. Burke: Ok. Well, I would just make the arrangements to have Peter, who is Duty Officer, uh, go out in my car and to meet uh, uh, the Congressman and bring him back to my house. Doug: Ok, fine. Do you want me to do anything? Burke: I don�t think so, Doug. I think that, uh, Sally is going to send out uh, Dick�s car with Sidney� Doug: OK. Burke: �uh, same time. So there should be transport out there by 3 o�clock. Doug: Ok, good. Well if I�uh, if I hear of any snags I�ll of course let you know. Burke: Ok. I�m going to be leaving here, oh, I would say within the next 15 minutes and I�ll be at uh, the house after that. Doug: Ok, fine. Burke: OK. Doug: See you later, sir. Burke: Bye. Thank you. Doug: B-Bye. [phone hangs up] Mrs. Ellice: Hello? Sharon: Yes, is this [unintelligible] Mrs. Ellice: Yes, Sharon. Sharon: Hi! Mrs. Ellice: How are you? I recognize your voice now. Sharon: Oh no. We�ve been talking to each other a lot, uh? Mrs. Ellice: That�s right. Sometime my sister, eh, answer the phone. So, her name is [unintelligible] so, you know, I just wanted to let you know that my sister will answer the phone sometime. Sharon: What�s her name? Sue? Mrs. Ellice: Sue. You can call her, Sue, right. Sharon: OK. Mrs. Ellice: I�m sure you want to talk to Doug. Hold on one moment. Sharon: Ok, thank you. Mrs. Ellice: OK. Doug: [�It�s to our credit�?] that my wife hasn�t started getting suspicious yet about all these phone calls you�re making. Sharon: Oh, I hope not. Doug: How you doing? Sharon: Ok. Well, uh, the reason I�m calling is they want to talk to you or Jim Schollaert on the d- eh, Dick Dwyer said he has to talk to you or Jim Schollaert before he leaves. And I can�t get a hold of Dick Schollaert [sic] �n- not at the embassy, not at the hotel, so� Doug: Wait a minute. My daughter�s on the extension. [pause, commotion in background] Yes, please hang up. That was my three year old girl. Uh� Sharon: Oh, [unintelligible] see her sometime. Doug: [laughs] I�m looking forward to seeing yours sometime, too. Sharon: Well, you�ve got official business [�in mind, I know�??] Doug: [giggles] Anyway. Uh, well can you phone patch me to Dick, er� Sharon: No. We can�t do a phone pa- patch locally. Doug: Oh. Sharon: If we, if we could�I mean, I don�t think it�s even legal and I�we don�t have any equipment to do it. Doug: Yah, ok. Uh�wha- Dick just said he wants to talk to me? Sharon: You or Jim Schollaert, and I cannot get a hold of Jim Schollaert. I tried first �cos I knew Jim wanted� Doug: Ok, why don�t you call them. Tell them you�ve got me on the phone and ask if you can patch me a message� Sharon: Ok, [unintelligible] Doug: B- because, uh, I mean, there�s no more confidentiality to my being there. You�re still listening to the radio. Sharon: Ok, well I�ll try and see what he says. Doug: I�m holding� [Sharon Amos speaking to Mike Carter in Jonestown via the ham radio] Sharon: Uh�Mike�Mike, are you there? Mike: Roger. Sharon: Listen, I�ve got Doug Ellice on the phone, copy? Mike: Roger. Sharon: And he asked if, if uh, I could talk to Dick Dwyer on the radio and uh, and relate to him, uh, or does he have to talk to him in person? Mike: [sounds like, �Stand by. Lemme ask Dick.] Sharon: OK. Mike: Ok, [unintelligible string] Sharon: Ok, thanks. Sharon: Ok, they�re gonna do that. Just� Doug: OK. [Sharon Amos speaking to Dick Dwyer in Jonestown via the ham radio] Dick Dwyer: [unintelligible] We�ve got about six people, uh, not quite sure how many but probably [unintelligible] six people [unintelligible] back with us. Uh, in meantime, there�s probably not gonna be room on that airplane for anybody to come out and we�re probably gonna need another small airplane. Uh, or, uh� [unintelligible] gonna have to stay and take a commercial airline out [unintelligible string] Matthew�s Ridge. Uh, [unintelligible string] exact number of people, uh, but I don�t want anybody else coming up in that airplane. And uh, if we can find a small [unintelligible string] Sharon: Well, ok, you have two people coming [unintelligible string] whole group, right? Dwyer: Uh, yah�as far as I can tell� [unintelligible] and uh, probably don�t want anybody on the airplane. [unintelligible] because there wont be room [unintelligible]] and uh, I uh�expect to find another small airplane, uh [unintelligible string] Sharon: Ok, you don�t want anybody coming in on the airplane and uh�[unintelligible] six people coming b- back, ok. Dwyer: [unintelligible string] more than we can handle [unintelligible string] Sharon: Ok, uh�just something else I didn�t copy. You said something�else I think uh, about the six people and something about the consul? Dwyer: Yah, just tell Doug I uh, want him out at the airport uh, [unintelligible] uh, once we get back because I may not be able to uh, come back�uh, if I have to stay [unintelligible] not enough room in the airplane. Sharon: Ok, uh, roger�stand by� Sharon: [now back on phone] Ok, he says he needs another small airplane to come up. [unintelligible] or something� [unintelligible]? Doug: Yah. Sharon: [unintelligible] Doug: Yah. Sharon: And uh, that he has six people that are gonna be coming back� Doug: Well, that plane holds 18� Sharon: I know. Six more people. Doug: Oh, I see. So there are 24 coming back? Sharon: Yah, right. Doug: Ok. So he needs one more plane to go up? Sharon: Correct. And he may have to stay there if there�s not room�for him to come back. Doug: Uh-huh�ok. Anything else? Sharon: [unintelligible] [Sharon Amos speaking to Dick Dwyer in Jonestown via the ham radio] Sharon: Is that all? Is that all? Is there anything else? Dwyer: Uh, that�s it for the moment, Sharon. Thank you. Sharon: Ok, roger. Stand by. Sharon: Ok, that�s it for now. Doug: Ok, does he want me to go over to your house and talk to him on the radio or does he want me to go the airport� Sharon: �airplane, to meet the plane. Doug: Oh, he wants me to meet the plane? Sharon: Yah. Doug: Ok, good. Ok, thank you very much. Sharon: Ok, buh-bye. Doug: See ya later. Sharon: Hello? Hello? Doug: Yah? Sharon: What�d you say? Doug: I said, see you later. Sharon: Ok, buh-bye. Doug: Buh-bye. [phone being dialed] Doug: [seemingly to someone else in the room] Yes, a little bit. Very slightly. Only when they talk can you tune in. [ringing phone] They�re bringing some people out. I thought that was him. Marine: Good morning. United States Embassy. May I help you? Doug: Yah, is Frank English there? Marine: Uh, no he�s not. Doug: Ok, thank you very much. Marine: Ok. Doug: Is the Ambassador still there? Marine: Yes he is. Doug: Let me talk to him, please. Burke: Yes. Doug: Sir, I just got a call from Sharon Amos who just got a call from Dick Dwyer. Burke: Right. Doug: Dick had a message for me. They�re bringing out six people in addition to their 18. That means they need another plane and he wants me at the airport to meet. So it sounds like they�re bringing someone out. Burke: Yah. Uh, get a hold of uh, Franklin, see what you can do, huh? Doug: I�m trying. I just, I just asked downstairs. He apparently has left the embassy. I�ll try his house. Burke: Oh he has, [unintelligible] I know that. Doug: Oh, ok. I�ll try his house. Burke: Get him at the house or, c-, he may be with Schollaert at the hotel. That�s where he called me earlier, but that was probably an hour ago. Doug: Ok, I�ll, I�ll try to find him. Burke: Six people are coming out�. Doug: I don�t know if he�s gonna get a plane. [laughs] Burke: I don�t�uh� Doug: It, it�s kinda short notice� Burke: �very real possibility he won�t, but at any rate tell him to give it a try and keep in touch, huh? Doug: Yes, I will. I�ll uh, I�ll keep you posted. I may have to come in. Burke: Yah. Doug: Uh, but I�ll keep you posted on this. Burke: Yah, ok. Doug: Uh, is there anyone in C and R? Burke: Uh�Bill Ford is just about to fold up. Doug: Ok, uh�uh, is there anybody else in the building that knows how to get in to there�oth- other than yourself? Burke: Fer- for what? Doug: Uh, I was thinking in case I had to send a message. Burke: Well, we just have to get [unintelligible] in. [unintelligible] have to open up� Doug: Right. Burke: �if he have a flash or an emergency [unintelligible] Doug: Ok, fi- Ok, sir. Thank you very much. Burke: Wait a minute now uh, before you get off the phone. I was going to send Peter Londono out in my car, but uh, why don�t you go out in my car? Doug: Uh, oh, we may need an extra car, sir, if we�ve got more people. Burke: Well, uh� Doug: I may t-, I think I�ll take my car up there. Burke: Ok. Doug: Uh, and if fact we might even want to lay o- uh, well, we probably can�t. Burke: Yah. Doug: But I think we�ll need all the cars we can get out there. Burke: Yah. Well, in, in any event there are always cabs around there. Doug: Yah, that�s true. Burke: Uh, and certainly we�re not going to haul back all the reporters. Those guys are gonna make their own way in, plus all the next of kin. Doug: Right. No, what I was thinking about the, the six� Burke: The six, yah. Doug: Those six, I might wanna grab and take with me straight to the office before anybody else talks to �em. Burke: Yah, well�uh�let�s see, Dick�s car is gonna be there and my car will be there and if your car is there then uh, that should take care of Speiers, the Congressman, and uh, and, and Dick and yourself�uh, and�probably six people too. Doug: Ok, fine. Ok, I�ll do that. I�ll be there at 3 o�clock. In the meantime I�ll try to get Frank English. Burke: Yah, eh, well�uh, if you have any trouble running him down uh, gimme a call, but he shoulda� been�I�m sure he�s sticking pretty close to home on this. Doug: Ok, fine. Thank you, sir. Burke: Ok. Doug: Buh-bye. [phone hangs up, then extraneous talk and sounds of phone being dialed, ringing, repeated busy signals and redialing for several minutes] Receptionist: Pegasus. Good afternoon. Doug: Good afternoon. This is the American Embassy calling. I�m trying to reach Mr. Frank English, our administrative officer, who may be there at the Pegasus with one of your guests, Mr. Schollaert. Could you ring Mr. Schollaert�s room please? Receptionist: One moment please. [long pause, extraneous noise, unrelated exchanges. At one point, Joe Hartmann apparently shows up at the Ellice residence, more unrelated talking, dialing and ringing phone�apparently at some point Joe Hartmann has taken over the phone] Male 2: Hello? Joe: Hello, Jerry? Male 2: Huh? Joe: Jerry? Male 2: No. Joe: Who is this? Male 2: [unintelligible] Joe: Huh?! Male 2: [unintelligible] Joe: Ok, look, is uh, David around? Male 2: No. Joe: What about Jerry? Male 2: He left [unintelligible] this morning. Joe: This is Joe Hartmann from the embassy, right? Male 2: Yah. Joe: Do you know what David�s number is? Male 2: Ah�you wa- you want David? Joe: Yah. Male 2: We- he gone in the bush. Joe: He went to the bush, huh? Male 2: Yah. Joe: Lookit, I need�I need to get that Islander for this afternoon for a flight. You know the Islander that uh�th-, that�s right down from you guys there that�I don�t know, it�s a red, eh, red trim�the yellow one with red trim. Male 2: Red, yellow� Joe: You know the one I�m talking about. It�s the only other Islander there at Ogle, right? Male 2: Yah. Joe: Not GDF. It�s the oth- it�s the one that flies in the oil drums all the time. Right? Male 2: Yah. Joe: Who owns that, do you know? Male 2: That�s a GDF. Joe: Man, I don�t want GDF! The one that�s [unintelligible] from you guys, down at the end of the, the line of�of uh, hangars, right? Not GDF! Male 2: [unintelligible] Joe: That�s the one, right? What�s his number? Male 2: 2395. Joe: Huh? Male 2: 2395. Joe: 2395. Male 2: Yah. Joe: Ok. Here, um�is the plane there, do you know? Male 2: Yah, the plane is. Joe: 2395. And what�s his name? Male 2: Mr. Granfeld. Joe: Ok, good. Thank you very much. If Jerry comes in, tell him to call me, ok? Male 2: Tell Jerry to call you? Joe: Yah. At home. Male 2: [unintelligible] Joe: He has my number. Male 2: [unintelligible] Joe: 66�794. Male 2: 66794. Joe: Roger. Male 2: Ok. Joe: Thank you. Male 2: Ok. Joe: Bye bye. [phone being dialed, extraneous noise and chatter] Joe: Hello? [pause] Hello? Male 3: Hello? Joe: Yes, Mr. Granfeld? Male 3: [unintelligible] Joe: Is he there, please? Male 3: [unintelligible] Joe: Is Mr. Granfeld there? Male 3: No, he�s not here. Joe: Where can I reach him? Male 3: I can�t say. [unintelligible] this morning. Joe: Ah. Look, this is Mr. Joe Hartmann. Male 3: Mr. who? Joe: Hartmann. Male 3: Hold on a minute please. Joe: Thank you. Male 4: Hello. Joe: Hi. Male 4: Who [unintelligible] Joe: Man, I�look�I�m Mr. Hartmann from the American Embassy�the American Vice Consul. Male 4: The American Vice Consul? Joe: Right. Male 4: Ok. Joe: I nee- End of recording |
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