8578 1 Q It was on a rowboat? 2 A Yes. 3 Q Okay. What did you do in the woods that time? 4 A We just -- we didn't do anything. We just went, um, 5 out in the, um -- in the water. 6 Q Now, you told, um, Doctor Betty that the time that 7 the -- Mr. Bob shot the lion that this was out in the woods 8 at the Hayes; do you know where the Hayes is? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Okay. Can you tell me what kind of a place that is? 11 A It's out by a bridge. 12 Q Okay. And how did you get there? 13 A We -- we, um, we walked there. 14 Q Okay. Who walked there? 15 A Mr. Bob and me and Alex and Will. 16 Q Okay. You told Doctor Betty that one time you went 17 out there that there was an old pirate ship out there that 18 you saw it sink? 19 A Yes. 20 Q Somebody shot it with a cannon and the boat sank? 21 A Yes. 22 Q Who shot the pirate ship with a cannon? 23 A I don't know. 24 Q Okay. Now, was that a true story? 25 A No. 8579 1 Q Okay. Why did you tell that story? 2 A It was just on a movie. 3 Q You saw it on a movie? 4 A Yes. 5 Q Okay. Now, you told Doctor Betty that your dad was 6 there with you when that happened; was that the truth? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Okay. Well, were you ever really there at all? 9 A No, I just saw it on a movie out on a boat. 10 Q Okay. Did you ever go to the Hayes at all? 11 A Yes. 12 Q Who did you go there with? 13 A With my dad. 14 Q Okay. Did you ever go with Mr. Bob? 15 A Yes. 16 Q Was your dad there that time? 17 A No. 18 Q All right. Well, what happened the time you went 19 with Mr. Bob? 20 A We just, um -- we just went out on a little beach. 21 Q Okay. What did you do when you went out on a little 22 beach? 23 A We found this thing that used to be a cannon. 24 Q You found an old cannon? 25 A Yes. 8580 1 Q Okay. Well, now, was it a real cannon? 2 A Yes, it used to be, but, um, the fire thing broke 3 off. 4 Q Okay. What else did you do while you were there? 5 A I don't know. 6 Q Were -- was Alex and Will with you? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Okay. And how did you get there that time? 9 A We just walked. 10 Q You walked there; where did you walk from? 11 A We, um, we drove there but we stopped, um, somewhere 12 and then we walked the rest. 13 Q Okay. When you started driving where did you start 14 driving from? 15 A From the day care. 16 Q Okay. Where were you when you stopped? 17 A Where those cannons -- those three cannons were. 18 Q Okay. You saw three cannons? 19 A (Nods head). 20 Q Okay. And you started walking then? 21 A Yes. 22 Q And you walked until you got to the Hayes? 23 A Yes. 24 Q Okay. And that's where you found the old cannon? 25 A Yes. 8581 1 Q Okay. Did you do anything else that time? 2 A No. 3 Q What did you do after you found the old cannon? 4 A We just, um, we just went back to the day care. 5 Q Okay. Do you remember what you were -- when you were 6 riding what you were riding on that time? 7 A No. 8 Q You don't remember whether it was a car or a truck? 9 A It was a truck. 10 Q Okay. Do you remember what kind of truck it was? 11 A It was Mr. Bob's truck. 12 Q Okay. Was that his plumbing truck? 13 A Yes. 14 Q Now, is that a true story, Richard? 15 A Yes. 16 Q And the one that you told to Doctor Betty is not 17 true? 18 A No. 19 Q Now, you told Doctor Betty that ah, -- when she asked 20 you if there were any animals at Little Rascals that they 21 had a mom and a father and two little dogs in a cage; do you 22 remember telling her that? 23 A No. 24 Q Okay. Did you ever tell her that? 25 A Yes. 8582 1 Q Okay. Did you ever see that at the day care? 2 A No. 3 Q Okay. So that was not a true story, was it? 4 A No. 5 Q Okay. So you weren't telling the truth when you 6 talked to Doctor Betty? 7 A I was, but I just, um, saw it on the playground. 8 Q Okay. What did you see on the playground? 9 A I saw, um, a dog and some -- I saw some things in 10 cages. 11 Q What did you see in cages? 12 A A dog, and -- and two snakes. 13 Q A dog and two snakes? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Were they all in the same cage? 16 A No. 17 Q Okay. They were in different cages? 18 A Yes. 19 Q Richard, was this at the day care, the big brick 20 building with the glass doors? 21 A Yes. 22 Q It was. Okay. Was it out in the playground there? 23 A Yes. 24 Q Now, who had the dog and the snakes that were in the 25 cages; who did they belong to? 8583 1 A I don't know. 2 Q Do you know who put them there? 3 A No. 4 Q Did the other children see them? 5 A Yes. 6 Q Okay. Did the other grown-ups there see them? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Can you tell me what the dog looked like? 9 A I forgot what it looked like. 10 Q Okay. Can you tell me what the snakes looked like? 11 A They were green snakes. 12 Q What happened to them? 13 A I don't know. 14 Q Okay. Did they stay there a long time? 15 A Yes. 16 Q Were they there more than one day? 17 A They were only -- they were only there for one day. 18 Q Okay. They were there for one day; do you know who 19 took them away? 20 A No. 21 Q Now, is that a true story? 22 A Yes. 23 Q Richard, when you were at Little Rascals, did you 24 like Ms. Dawn? 25 A Yes. 8584 1 Q Okay. Did she ever do any bad things? 2 A Yes. 3 Q She did? 4 A Yes. 5 Q Okay. What kind of bad things did she do? 6 A She touched some people. 7 Q She touched some children? 8 A Yes. 9 Q Who were the children that Ms. Dawn touched? 10 A Alex and Will and me. 11 Q Okay. Where did she touch Alex? 12 A On the bottom. 13 Q Okay. And where did she touch Will? 14 A On the wee-wee. 15 Q And where did she touch you? 16 A She touched me on the wee-wee. 17 Q Okay. Did that all happen at one time or was it 18 different times? 19 A It was different times. 20 Q Okay. When Ms. Dawn touched Alex where was she then? 21 A She was in the kitchen. 22 Q Okay. Who else was in the kitchen? 23 A Nobody else. 24 Q How did you see that happen?