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Sarava!
Enviei esta nota ( em ingles ) pra galera da Capoeira, etc, organizacoes,
midia, fora do BR. Desta forma, a comunicacao serve ao proposito da CAPOEIRA,
do progresso do BR. Esta baixo a copia do que enviei.
Axe'
Mestre Jeronimo - Master JC
======================
Axe'
Those living outside BRasil. Please forward this new to others.
A National gathering of around 800 capoeiristas from everywhere in BR, to discuss the actual situation of Capoeira, to organise and to evolve Capoeira. This weekend in Brasil, Sao Paulo
Delegations, Mestres, etc, from Regional and Angola from all parts of BR will join this call.
I believe that some Mestres living overseas may be there, such as Cobra Mansa that is in BR at the moment. Their presence will be a bonus to this national congress. I learned that the delegation from Bahia this includes, 30 representatives from Capoeira Angola and 30 from Regional, will travel by bus, from Salvador, where the late politician and Senator ACM - Antonio Carlos Magalhaes - is providing the buses they need. *Yes, as it was originated, Capoeira can't live and play without politicians - so, be very close to your enemies Capoeira, and take advantage of them, do not let them "USA"r you to war against Capoeira = people!
I learned that Master Morais, living in BA, is not a part of the group
of representatives of Capoeira Angola. I believe that perhaps Master Cobra
Mansa will certainly be representing his FICA organization based in BR.
Therefore the situation of the Capoeira Angola groups and mestres, profession,
etc, based outside BR yet
linked to federations and groups in BR can evolve. Our mate Cobra Mansa
is no doubt one of the best representative from the Capoeira Angola (pastiniano
style) living outside BR, in the USA.
I was invited to take part of the National Congress. Yet, I do not have any link to any organization in BR at the present. It would be a honour to be a guest and represent the JC'S Capoeira Angola from AU at the event. In the behalf of my JC'S Capoeira Angola School in Australia, I replied with thankyou/obrigado to the organizers of the Festival. I can't be there at this time. I am adding to the event from here, my participation is in the form of support and promotion, etc.
I wish that this BIG RODA will achieve its goal - to progress Capoeira,
and help Brazil's capoeiristas and their profession to evolve. This outcome
will certainly add to the Capoeira that we have outside BR to evolve.
The 1st Congresso Nacional Unitario - a national unitary Brazilian Capoeira
congress - address and program that was sent to me is as follow:
Main organiser <[email protected]> / Mestre
Ganga Zumba <[email protected]>
Dia 15/08 (sexta-feira) ( date
)
Local: Casa de Portugal; Avenida da Liberdade,
602, bairro da Liberdade (address)
20:00hs: Abertura oficial
( official opening)
Dia 16/08 (sábado)
Local: Quadra dos Bancários; Rua Tabatinguera,
192, Centro
9:00 hs: Mesas: Capoeira e Cultura; Capoeira e
Racismo; Capoeira e a questão desportiva
14: 00 hs: Mesas: Necessidades da Capoeira: a
regulamentação da profissão do capoeirista; a relação
com o CONFEF; política nacional para a Capoeira
( debates on subjects such as the regulamentation of the profession of Capoeira, etc, )
16: 30 hs: Roda de mestres
17: 00 hs: Continuação dos debates
( following of the debates)
19: 00hs: Apresentação artística
de grupo de capoeira ( Capoeira
show )
20: 30 hs: Show com Lecy Brandão ( BR singer guest show )
Dia 17/08 (domingo)
Local: Quadra dos Bancários, Rua Tabatinguera,
192, Centro ( last day of the Congress )
Axe'
Thankyou!
Mestre Jeronimo - Master JC
JC'S Capoeira Angola School - Community Arts and Culture in Australia
The subject ginga like this:
Who wants to trow in the
"pelourinho' (prison, where the slaves were punished) the work and reputation
of Mestres Camaleão (now living in Paris), Arerê e Marron...???
Dear brother 'Ogun', Master Cobra Mansa, thanks for sharing this game - to others. 'Exu' (JC) is happy to deliver the "ebo" (food) to those hungry to evolve and educate.
Let me start quoting from the message that you send, originally a talk in between you and Mestre Braga, living in Swiss. It says:
< In fact, it was not the fact that in the beginning, in Rio de Janeiro, when Mestre Morais was using the belts from the Regional system, used by the Confederation of Rio de Janeiro, to teach us Capoeira Angola... not this fact that would change what he was teaching of the way to be "angoleiro" >
????? = belts from Regional in Capoeira Angola?? Angoleiro tradition uses belt??? Morais used a Regional belt??
Indeed, this makes us wonder what's on?? What's going to BE these talks about: "eu so angoleiro" (???) -??? - and no use of the Regional system they use -???
Me. JC
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cobra Mansa Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:09
AM
> Subject: geracao ,cordel (resposta do Mestre Braga )
>
I am not the Aurélio Brazilian dictionary!!!
>
Names of some angoleiros also well renowned from Mestre Pastinha generations,
such as> Mestres: Traíra, Valdemar, Cobrinha Verde,Canjiquinha,Bobó,
etc. Let me spell that "same generation" mean from the same time
of Pastinha and not made (graduated) Angola, angoleiro, by him.
What'son Cobra Mansa, we are now having to call the help of the Dr Aurélio. If so, who's going to pay for the bill?? Is it you that is going to pay for it??
I'm going to ginga off this game, that you are now putting us on. >
Now, in the matters of Graduation: When Morais came to Rio de Janeiro,
young, he was just a angoleiro from the school of Mestre Pastinha. Morais
was just one more of those that wanna to teach Capoeira Angola, and find
a place in society, teaching in clubs, academies, etc. He decided that
to identify his work with the already system that in Rio de Janeiro was
a
Tradition of Capoeira he should use of the same belt graduation system
that they used, so he could start teaching his Capoeira Angola from Mestre
Pastinha. So he did!
In fact, it was not the use of the colourful belt system from the Confederation
of RJ, that would change what he was teaching us. After that he set himself
in Rio de Janeiro as a mestre de Capoeira Angola he started changing this
way, the angoleiro with martial belt tradition of Capoeira Regional. Morais
then leaded the people in his classes to ginga their lives
to a cultural revolution with Capoeira as a tool to résistance
against oppression. From this point, the Grupo de Capoeira Angola Pelourinho,
his Capoeira group, a link of the traditions from Mestre Pastinha's school
that from the 1st time was outside Bahia. Then to make more sense to this
call, he finished with the use of the belt system in his teaching. The
belt did
not fit with the way that now, he used to graduate the students of
Capoeira Angola.
Myself, Mestre Braga, saw many mestres of the regional system using the green belt coming to play with us playing focussing on the colours of belt they were dressing.
Mestre Mano (another angoleiro formed by Morais in RJ) look after what you are putting off the " old box " mate. I don't want to respond now to these "curious" that are now questioning these things abut us. Why are you getting the "dust" out from our past to the people. Take it easy, 'cause after that you may have to respond to more than what you are asking for. Following this way I can only assume that the next question, 'chamada', could be: which is the mother that never have a baby?? Is it you, or Cobra mansa that are going to respond this one??
>
> Mestre Braga
------- This ends the e-mail that Cobra sent...
***# AS YOU SEE FOLKS... THIS IS A VERY GOOD INDEED INTERESTING DIALOGUE, GAME. PERHAPS SOME OF YOU WILL NOW HAVE SOMETHING MORE TO ADD IN YOUR WAY OF LIVING, WHEN YOU ATTEND THESE WORKSHOPS OF CAPOEIRA OUTSIDE BRASIL, WHERE PEOPLE ARE TELLING YOU THINGS THAT HAVE COME FROM A VERY DIFFERENT WAY.
I HOPE THAT YOU ENJOYED THE READING, THE RODA. FEEL FREE (freedom is Capoeira) TO QUESTION YOUR MENTORS ABOUT WHAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO LIFE. AS WE KNOW, CAPOEIRA IS LIFE AND NOT JUST MOVES IN A RODA.
Sarava to YOU!
Axe' Capoeira!
Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
From: Student Biriba – Me. Brazil - Colombia [email protected];
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: Me. Morais, I'd like to add something
Hi, it's me Biriba.
I'd like to add something to this article which includes so much true
but are things that many people don't understand.
Even if Morais started in the regional way with belts and everything,
if he defends his teory and the angola so much is because now he's part
of it.
Think about the opposite way. If an angolero who were born angolero,
proves the regional way and likes it better than the angola, he will fight
for this philosophy over all.
I think that every disciplin demands the love from the person who it's
practicing it.
The problem with the angoleros (mos of them) is that they are very
closed with this knowledge, and as they love so much their way, they don't
see the things in other way, just like a Regional (and I mean a real regional,
not a
mix between regional + angola) don't see the thing the way of an angolero.
In conclussion, I think that every kind of CAPOEIRA should be respected,
because it has a different meaning for everyone, and that point of view
it's own for everyone and no one else should try to change it. It's like
if someone tried to change the point of view of Mozart!!! Dont't
you think???
Axé
BIRIBA
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Mestre Jeronimo Capoeira - JC [mailto:[email protected]]
Axe'
>>
Mestre Cobra Mansa is bringing us news, some of what can change some
of the "set" ideas (rules?!) that the so-called "angoleiros" (or pastiniano?),
othres from the Regional system, "capojitsu" etcs, sometimes are trying
to impose to ALL, claiming they are: ' the real traditions of the Cultura
of the people from Brasil = CAPOEIRA ' - !!! - ???
>>
Original Message -----
From: Mestre Jeronimo
To: Cobra Mansa
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: Fotos (cor) da FICA USA de L.A. - Regional ou Angola?!
Axe' Cobra Mansa, Camaradas...
Thanks for the photos from the event in L.A. Indeed the Capoeira Angola that you have is good.
Cobra, brother I have a question to you, not the first time that this 'call' is made. My students, myself, after that we had these photos have questions about the way of the Capoeira, traditions and things that we invent to identify our art form - and mentors - in this case, Angola, Mestre Pastinha and traditions.
What is the official colour of dressing with Capoeira Angola in an event, workshop, etc... that symbolises the work and legacy of Mestre Pastinha? If the 'angoleiro' dress in a roda de Angola with 'white' (pants) is this something that Pastinha too performed before he died? He did work to difference his style from Mestre Bimba Regional, including on a choice of colours, isn't it?!
This is what I tell them in AU, regarding the education and to respect our traditions from BR. If you have a look in this "game" that some of them are having, and what they now say about things related with our culture, Capoeira it will make sense to this call that I am making:
+++ ** +++++++++
Peter (JC'S) wrote:
Axe' Caroline,
As you know, I am a language teacher and a writer. I think the language we use is important - because it effects the way we think about ourselves and others. Labels and names are important - because they carry a meaning and a history (sometimes a history of war and colonialisation, as is the case with the word "mission".)
< I guess there are many names we can call it, but the object is the same... >
Are you sure Caroline?
Why do we say "AXE" (in class, Life) when we could just say "hi" -- "Axe"" has a meaning and a history..
Do you know what it is?
Axe'
pete
======================================
That's the reason to my call Cobra. If I educate them saying things of our culture and history and then they see something else, hear a different "history" - tradition... well, in English, To B or not to BE... can't be confusing US! I can't play this 'game' - professionally = Mestre - and act irresponsible, or not make sense of the Capoeira I profess.
Generally, what we dress identify what we are promoting, gingando, and help to organise the work that we have to evolve Capoeira. So, Angola is angola, Regional, regional, isn't it?! A sailor isn't a soldier, and a doctor does not dress in red... Real Madrid, does not dress Fluminense... etc, do you see my point?!
This time perhaps I will have a reply - no Fundamento = To be or not to be - to give the students of Capoeira Angola from AU, my JC'S. It would be great! Also this could add to many others that may have this question on their Rodas, Life.
After all, I don't want to create any polemic, rather clarify this topic. Since I heard that Mestre Joao Grande said that to someone - does not matter who now: " never use black colour my son, 'cause it brings bad luck, and bad karma" - I believe I had it translated the way it sounded.
I know that mestre JG uses white, perhaps 'cause he's from Oxala.. but you Cobra, I know you, FICA, uses and promotes the traditions of Mestre Pastinha, the black and yellow colours, the colours of Capoeira Angola that he defended and promoted in his Rodas, and academy. So why are you using the white pants?! Is that now a tradition of the Capoeira Angola, angoleiro 2003?!
I would like to have this clear 'cause soon or later you are coming to AU, others alike, and as you speak about Angola here we will not have to modify anything that we should already know and pray for. Also the mandigueiros of AU will not disturb you with silly questions related to Regional, or else... since we will Ginga and educate with Angola traditions. Do you understand my call, my professional friend?!
Also another day you protested against the fact that the promotion of an event in SP was inviting the angoleiros, including Capoeira Angola in the program but was calling for: 'please everybody dressing white pants' - You firmly called the situation and demandded why the angoleiro would not dress the official uniform of Capoeira Angola to this event. I supported your 'Chamada' in the big Roda, and we had a reply rectifying the situation as an error. They sad then that angoleiro, sons de Pastinha, should dress its colours to identify themselves during the event.
My position in this matter is not because a "colour" rather about the organization of our Capoeira and the cultural identity that we must have to represent our work and art form, ritual. As you know, in BR, elsewhere, there's always something " " regarding the discrimination of whatever is of "negro" origin until these 2000 days. Yet, if we call to 'white' as something better, and what it symbolises, what about the ku-klux-kan??? The way they dress to identify what they profe$$?! This is not so "sacred" or "clean", not to say intelligent!!
Well, at JC'S, ,my way of dressing to identify, if you are not in black Pants, the colours of camara Bob Marley (Sarava JAH!) are there to exalt Capoeira, with Angola base. To stimulate fight against this 'babylonic' oppressive $sistem! Also, as I wrote in my self published $lave Ritual, 1995, I like to use this "black" colour to exalt the origins of Capoeira, that stems from Africa.
Cobra, I am waiting you reply, or others that may come to play this game, and add to this subject.
Axe' Cobra!
By the way... Olurum/God/ Tupa/ Buda/Jah... and so many translated names
of... fight (?) does it have a colour?
Sarava Mother Nature be praised! Love be with us!
Iee da volta ao mundo camara....
Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
Capoeira Angola School - AU
----- Original Message -----
From: Cobra Mansa
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:48 AM
Subject: Fotos da Fica LA
Alexander... Capoeira da Russia...
"angoleiros" don't play "regional" - yet, many that Ginga using the style that Mestre Bimba created want to Ginga with the call (bases) that Mestre Pastinha called 'Capoeira Angola' (style?).
Outside from this situation, of "styles" of Capoeira, there's nothing else to add. CAPOEIRA, the ideal of the people from the Quilombo dos Palmares, should be the way to GINGA to FREEDOM!
Do you understand - what's Capoeira in 2000? (*unfortunatelly, there's much confusion and mess (Ego playing) by the professional that are taking CAPOEIRA outside Brasil, to people like you in EU).
I am sharing this one with some people (see Cc) that may add something else to your 'Chamada'.
In my "style": ARMY does not "dress" NAVY! Classical music tunes different than Rock'inroll!
One must chose what wants to Ginga and respect other (styles?). By the time we have a "war" (to defend our families, Quilombo) we then should play what King Zumbi did of his CAPOEIRA = Navy + Air Force sings the same LADAINHA to join the Ginga to help humans evolve to FREEDOM!
Axe'!!!
Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
AUS Capoeira Angola School
www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander K. Britenkov <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: reply from CAPOEIRA = eat and sleep well!
Hello, Jeronimo!
Thank you for your letters. It was interesting.
It's funny, however Sonja are right in several points -
I have some problems in your language...
An I had known those thoughts, which I understood in your letter clearly.
And I 've not understood yet differences between Capoeira styles...
(I do not mean Regional and Angola).
...
What does angolieros in roda when berimbau plays regional?
Ought he to play regional?
Alexander
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>Axe' Sonja (Berliner) + Alexander (Russian)...
>
>Yes Sonja... you are all right... imagine if people could understand
Bud + Jesus + Maome... etc... the way they did sound... they spoke... and
else... they had dinner + lunch + breakfast... FOOD... = CAPOEIRA... !!!!
>
>Sonja, Alexander, you will take more then one day of academy training
to get IT, and your whole Life - Capoeira, old saying, is Life. So, why
to be in a hurry?
>
>I understand I can't translate what I am, what CAPOEIRA I became from
playing with my mates on the Jungle... streets... and else that I do.
>
>Perhaps, I should also say, after all... the better to US is to communicate.
Regarding the way I say to play as if we are having food, 3 meals, well,
intelligent people can guess what is inside this game of words, just like
the way to sway the Ginga. I also know many people that say they are eating
good food, but, is that enough to the spirit to grow health, and the Ginga
to BE graduated in REAL Life? The game of Capoeira is big and small,
Sarava Me. Pastinha, and the way to get to Roma... *indeed, there are many
ways to spell CAPOEIRA!
>
>Thanks Alexander for the call... thanks Sonja for the game...
>
>Sarava to you
>
>Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
>AUS Capoeira Angola School
>www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Sonja Kn?ppel
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:19 AM
>Subject: Re: Capoeira da Russia - faz chamada
>
>
>Jeronimo, I don?t think that Alexander from Russia understood what
you mean.
>You have to keep in mind that what is natural for you and with what
you grew
>up is not natural for everybody.? had problems to understand you when
I was
>in your group, first of all languagewise( a little) and second your
spacy,
>philosphical thinking...Until I left I missed a great bit of your
views, ?
>think around the time I left I could understand more of what you were
saying
>but could not practise it in my game. More important than understanding
your
>words was to get a feeling, and to understand with my heart and I
guess I
>did.
>I think the advice to Alexander to talk to others and experience was
the
>best bit of it. Sorry did not want to offend you.
>I still don?t really get the saying " ccapoeira is everything that
one can
>eat" ,we don?t play breakfast, lunch and dinner as you do and I don?t
eat
>for lunch anyway ,so why play it ..and than to eat healthy food ,I
do ,but
>is that what it means?
>Ax?
>Sonja -Felicidade
>
>
>>From: "Mestre Jeronimo" <[email protected]>
>>Subject: Capoeira da Russia - faz chamada
>>Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:49:00 +1100
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Mestre Jeronimo
>>To: Alexander K. Britemkov
>>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:29 AM
>>Subject: Re: Capoeira Styles
>>
>>
>>Axe' Alexander from Russia,
>>
>>
>>Thanks for writing me. I don't know with who you are learning Capoeira
in
>>Russia. Why are you asking this questions that should be "fit" in
your
>>Roda, with the Mestre that is in charge of your Capoeira Education.
>>
>>I hope that this "nobody" that can answer your query about Capoeira
are
>>Russians, and not Brazilians, capoeiristas/mestres, etc.
>>
>>Regarding this question of difference between "Capoeira" (styles,
etc) I
>>could tell you many things, but I will rather give you an idea that
may fit
>>to develop your own views on this matter and progress your Life/Ginga.
>>
>>What about this: CLASSICAL MUSIC IS NOT ROCK'IN ROLL... THE ARMY
IS NOT THE
>>NAVY (but dress different and train the Ginga with different flavour
-
>>however in time of war ( Iee viva Palmares camara) they join their
"ginga'
>>to fight CAPOEIRA to Freedom. Do you understand what I mean, what's
>>CAPOEIRA?
>>
>>Let's say that Capoeira Angola is like classical music, therefore
one
>>should not clap everywhere while people are playing a game, etcs.
However,
>>if the modern Capoeira styles that evolved from the Regional system
created
>>by Mestre Bimba are be "portrayed like a Rock concert", people
can clap
>>and move up and down at any time. But depending what "rock" we will
ginga
>>on stage/Roda this can also "regional" change.
>>
>>Old and modern Capoeira. Why? If we call old what they did 500 years
ago,
>>soon in 3000 they will call this Capoeira 2000 old.
>>
>>You must know what you want to do with your ginga if you join a Roda.
If is
>>Capoeira Angola that is performed, we must respect this ritual -
one can't
>>clap everywhere and there are situations to respect about the game,
music
>>etc. Regional based games one can clap while the berimbau plays for
a
>>ladainha (many do this, 'cause don't know what is on) , fazer compra
de
>>jogo at any time, etc. If this is wrong, well, depends on what's
wrong... -
>>to some bad is good and vice-versa.
>>
>>Then it comes what the Mestre does make from this Capoeira he/she
offers to
>>the community. Like a house that you paint the way you like some
people do
>>the same with the way they ginga/teach Capoeira and organise their
Rodas.
>>People should also know what they want to put in their belly, to
eat:
>>CAPOEIRA IS EVERYTHING THAT ONE CAN EAT - old saying!
>>
>>The better to you, to evolve your life/Capoeira is to read more about
the
>>subject, and visit many Rodas, talk to more people, Mestres about
it.
>>
>>Um grande abraco. Axe'!
>>
>>Mestre Jeronimo - JC'S
>>AUS Capoeira Angola School
>>www.users.bigpond.com/SS.Jeronimo
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Alexander K. Britemkov
>>To: [email protected]
>>Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:06 AM
>>Subject: Capoeira Styles
>>
>>
>>Dear Jeronimo!
>>
>>I would be very thankful to you if lold me about differences betveen
>>capoeira styles: Axe Capoeira, Capoeira Mandinga, ABADA, A.S.C.A.B.
(mestre
>>Bandeira), "Old" and "Modern" Capoera.
>>It is very interesting for me, because it seems to me that many styles
of
>>Capoeira use the same technic and movements, and theire
>>difference names connected with commertial aims only.
>>Mybe I'm wrong. However nobody here in Russia cannot
>>answer me.
>>Please mail me answer to [email protected].
>>
>>Sincerely, Alexander K. Britenkov,
>>www.capoeira.narod.ru,
>>Capoeira N.Novdorod, Russia.