Kid B
An interview
with Radiohead guitarist Jonny Greenwood
Picking
up where their previous album left off, Amnesiac continues down
the same path of experimentation and sonic exploration that Radiohead began
on last year's acclaimed Kid A. Amazon.co.uk contributor Andrew
Mueller speaks exclusively to guitarist Jonny Greenwood about the recording
sessions and critical misunderstanding.
Amazon.co.uk:
The songs on Amnesiac were recorded at the same time as the songs
on Kid A. What, to your mind, are the main differences between the
two albums?
Jonny Greenwood:
I suppose this one's a bit softer sounding. There are more straight-ahead
songs on it, like "Knives Out", but it's also got songs like "Spinning
Plates" which... isn't, but it's the best thing on it. I was listening
to it this morning and thinking that it's really close to what we wanted
to do. That one especially.
Amazon.co.uk: A
lot of people would be surprised to hear you, of all people, singling out
a song that features a weird, backwards-played backing track. There's a
popular belief that, as a guitarist, you must be getting quite frustrated
with the emphasis on electronica on the last two albums.
Greenwood:
I really hate false modesty, with a vengeance. But it's true of all the
band that none of us feel like we're as good as what we do. I'm not as
good a musician as I think "Pyramid Song" is a good song. And it's a great
song. So that's enough for me, to be part of that and, anyway, I don't
just play guitar. On Amnesiac I play lots of ondesmartenot, which
is a [19]20s-30s electronic instrument which is a bit like a theremin;
that noise at the beginning of the Star Trek theme that sounds like
a woman's voice is one of those. I also play lots of toy plastic flutes
and keyboards. But then, I joined the band as a harmonica player.
Amazon.co.uk:
Was there ever any talk of releasing all the songs as a double album?
Greenwood:
No, no. Lord love us. Bands do that, don't they? They get to album number
four and think "Hey, what we're doing is basically opera, so here's three
hours of your life." No. No no no no. It would be bad in so many ways.
I don't know--are there any good double albums?
Amazon.co.uk:
There was a great deal of speculation that the recording sessions were
spectacularly acrimonious. Were they?
Greenwood:
Oh... welcome to Radiohead, really. It was true of The Bends, as
well. "Acrimonious" is the wrong word, because that implies arguing, which
never really happened. It's more that it was just such a slog, really--by
turns easy and fast-moving, and then nothing happening and everything
Amazon.co.uk:
How bad did it get? Did anyone consider leaving?
Greenwood: No...
no. No, never. Sometimes when it got really uncomfortable, it... actually,
it was worse during The Bends. It's worrying. I hope we don't have
to go through that just to make good music. Imagine that. It'd be rubbish,
wouldn't it? But whenever it gets like that for me, I just remember that
"Street Spirit" took months and months and months. . . and it's such a
simple song. It just took that long for something to happen to make us
think we were getting somewhere with it. Yes, it's precious, and all that,
but in the end you don't know that. You just hear four and a half minutes
of good music, and that's it. And then other things take an afternoon and
they're done. That's the annoying thing--there's no consistency at all.
But I'd feel really fraudulent going and playing guitar, or any other instrument,
on something else, because I know it wouldn't be anywhere near as good.
It's a Radiohead thing.
Amazon.co.uk:
How surprised were the band by reactions to Kid A--both the reviews
saying it was really avant-garde and difficult, which it wasn't, and the
fact that it topped the charts in America?
Greenwood:
The press was weird. If we wanted to be obscure and difficult and dangerous,
we could have done a much better job. It's all repetitive, regular, melodic
music, really. But, America... strange, absolutely. Radiohead being Radiohead,
we all quickly found out that it was a very soft week, and if it had been
released a week either side it would have gone in a lot lower.
Amazon.co.uk:
It's true that Kid A and Amnesiac are mostly comprised of
fairly orthodox songs, but there are some tracks that take leave of normal
structures. When you're doing that, how can you tell if what you're doing
is good, or just an unholy racket?
Greenwood:
Quite often it just comes about from us rehearsing something and saying
"Wouldn't it be great if it ended here?" That's why "Spinning Plates" is
like that--the long verse, the chorus and then it stops. No real planning
goes into it. It's just a reaction against the possibility of repeating
ourselves, even within one song. The Pixies were always banging out about
how they didn't want to repeat themselves in songs, and thought it was
better to stop them before they got boring. It's the same kind of thing.
Amazon.co.uk:
Does the creative tension between the five of you also occur when you discuss
politics? Radiohead have backed some quite divergent causes--Tibetan independence,
cancellation of Third World debt, anti-globalisation.
Greenwood:
The stuff we've got involved with hasn't really been political as such,
it's been more about getting information across--trawling around looking
for sites, like indymedia, or undercurrent, which are news services that
provide a slightly different perspective, and which can then link to from
our site.
Amazon.co.uk:
Do you have any idea yet how the next Radiohead album might sound?
Greenwood: Everything
we do sounds half like what we've just done. But we are playing loads of
Neil Young in rehearsal now--"Cinnamon Girl", and all that--with loud,
loud guitars. It's great fun.
Amazon.co.uk:
Thinking further ahead, are the five of you now looking at Radiohead as
a job for life?
Greenwood:
Oh, God. What a frightening thought. No, I've no idea. Though it's interesting
how once you've made five records you start finding other role models who've
made slightly more than five records.
Amazon.co.uk:
Can you imagine doing anything else?
Greenwood:
No. I think I'm kind of unemployable. I only managed three weeks at college
before we signed to EMI. This has been normal life for a very long time.
Ever since adolescence, which I hope to leave any day now.
06/2001
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