Rebuttal Speed of Light in
Al Quran,
By Chessmaniac (11/27/05)
First, let me cover some the basic, so everybody could follow hoaxer’s idea, hoaxer’s point of view, my interpretation, and then detail explanations. I will cover almost every aspects of the calculation, in every detail possible.
Speed of Light in Al Quran basically start from interpretation of following surah:
I quote from website: http://islam.speed-light.info/relativity_quran.htm
[Quran 32.5] (Allah)
Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels
to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you
count. See footnote (2)
So the
formula as proposed by Allah is:
Distance
traveled by angels in one day = 12000 x Distance traveled by moon during one
orbit
And
since Distance = Velocity x Time:
C t =
12000 Vo T
In the equation above, T is in sidereal month.
The number 12000 came from multiplication of 1000 years * 12 month/years.
Let we play with this formula first before we go further with hoaxer’s way of thinking.
This equation is so important to understand, it looks very simply but also very tricky.
The quoted verse above don’t mention about (sidereal) month, rather it mention about (sidereal) day and (sidereal) year. So I assume I can freely interpret with following equation, and expect to get the same result
C t = 1000 Vo T (in sidereal years)
C t = 12000 * 27.3 * Vo T (in sidereal days)
Indeed these equations give the same end result of calculation of
C = 336,254.33773 km/h. See footnote (1) calculation for detail.
Hoaxer’s understand exactly, this is the value is about 11% larger than the standard acceptant Speed of Light. He doesn’t want everybody know it. He hides them.
The Hoaxer, Raef Fanous, sees my above calculation and explained me about Relativity and Gravitational Field impact on velocity as follow:
299,792.458
km/s is the speed of light for observers outside gravitational fields.
But according to General
Relativity the velocity of light appears
to vary with the intensity of the gravitational field (See proof at my
website). An observer standing outside gravitational fields (in vacuum) looks
at events inside gravitational fields and sees them in slow motion. When he
steps inside those gravitational fields he sees them in normal speeds. But now
he looks back at where he was outside gravitational fields and sees the events
there in fast motion. In our case the event is the moon orbiting Earth. When an
observer in stronger gravitational fields, near a black hole for example, looks
at the Earth-moon system he does not see the moon orbiting Earth once every
month; instead he sees the moon orbiting Earth once every few seconds.
Not only observers in
different gravitational fields will not agree on the time period for a lunar
orbit but also they will not agree on the distance traveled by the moon (thus
they will all disagree on the velocity of the moon). If you remove the
Earth-moon system from the gravitational field of the sun they will all see the
speed of light outside gravitational fields to be equivalent to 12000 lunar orbits/ Earth day; but they will never agree on the value in km/sec. To get
them all agree on the value of 299792.458 km/s they will all have to step out
of their respective gravitational fields.
My answer was follow, 11/27/05
In your previous email, I agree that the velocity of LIGHT appears to vary with the intensity of the gravitational field. The reason because gravitation field bent the path of light, so the distance is longer. Before we confuse people, see below simplified picture.
But I don’t agree if you apply the idea of velocity of light to motion of moon.
First of all, you have to make different between MOON and LIGHT. Moon has certain mass! What is the mass of light?
Second, you have to make different the angular velocity of moon and speed of light. Moon travel much slower than speed of light, so I consider the impact of relativity is negligible. Moon’s angular velocity is 3682.092 km/hr or 1.0228 km/s and Speed of light is 299,792.458 km/s
Third, Moon always rotates around the Earth under influence of gravitational FIELDS.
I intentionally put PLURAL form of FIELDS, the reason as follow:
Sun and Earth are not the only source of gravitation fields that determine the moon orbit. Other planet’s gravitation fields have also impact on moon’s orbital. As long as there are two masses with a certain distance, there is gravitation to attract each other. See picture below.
Fourth, if you want to isolate the Moon-Earth Systems from the Sun Gravitational Field, why you do not isolate also other source of gravitation fields that could deflect moon’s circular orbit?
Please use sketches to make your point much understandable for average people who do not have major in physics/science
Bottom line, he was thinking I do not understand orbital physic and mechanism. He is totally wrong.
Back to Hoaxer undesired calculation problem. Islamic
Hoaxers, Raef Fanous and Dr. Mansour
Hassab-Elnaby know about this calculation result. Therefore they introduce
BOGUS logic into their original equation by multiplying with cosines function.
Now their equation become:
C.t = 12000* Vo Cos @. T.
This new parameter is merely their attempt to reduce the end result from above calculation.
What is @?
Here is the quote from Dr.Mansour Hassab-Elnaby:
@ is the angle travelled by the earth moon
system around the sun during one sidereal month of period 27.321661 days. We
can calculate @ if we take into consideration the period (365.25636 days) of
one heliocentric revolution (1 year) of the earth-moon system.
@ = 27.321661*360/365.25636= 26,92848
The calculation does not indicate UNIT, because they want reader thought the unit is in degree. The UNIT should be in degree/(sidereal_month).
Here is the explanation:
@ = (27.321661(day/ sidereal month)* 360(degree/year))/(365.25636 days/year)
The @ value is change from time to time. It is a function of time, as you can see from the above calculation, it is an angular speed.
Other aspect you can see, the reason for choosing number 12000 in their calculation.
The Hoaxers lead reader to think in months, instead of YEAR and DAY.
As you can guess, the calculation in YEAR or in DAY unit (using Hoaxers logic and input number) would give the different end result. Here I show you that STUPID calculation.
Calculation in SIDEREAL YEAR:
C.t = 1000* Vo Cos @. T
@ = 323.142 degree/sidereal year
C = 1000*28973049.22121*0.80012/86164.0906 = 269,045.3589 km/sec (smaller than standard measurement)
Calculation in SIDEREAL DAY
C.t = 12000*27.3* Vo Cos @. T
@ = 0.9864 degree/sidereal day
C = 12000*27.3*88440.32119*0.9999 = 336,2207.123 km/sec (larger than standard)
If you, Islamic Hoaxer, still do not satisfied with my proof, I can go extra length with you.
Footnote:
(1)
C t = 1000 Vo T (in sidereal years)
C t = 12000 * 27.3 * Vo T (in sidereal days)
Vo T = 2*pi*R in sidereal month. Moon goes around the earth 1x in sidereal month
= 2*pi*384267 = 2414420.76843 km/(sidereal month)
Vo T = 2*pi*R*12 in sidereal year. Moon goes around the earth 12x in sidereal year.
= 2*pi*384267*12 = 28973049.22121 km/(sidereal year)
Vo T = 2*pi*R/27.3 in sidereal days
= 2*pi*384267/27.3 = 88440.32119 km/(sidereal day)
T = sidereal lunar month = 655.71986 hr = 27.3 days.
R = 384267 km
t = 23 h 56 min 4.0906 sec = 86164.0906 sec
Calculation result:
C = 336,254.33773 km/h
(2)
The similarity of surah (32:5) with Bhagavad
Gita (part VIII, lines 16 and 17),
"All the planets of
the universe, from the most evolved to the most base, are places of suffering,
where birth and death takes place. But for the soul that reaches my Kingdom, O
son of Kunti, there is no more reincarnation. "One day of Brahma is worth
a thousand of the ages [yuga] known to humankind; as is each night."
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