posted March 29, 2001 00:42               

BTW maybe someone should close the australian outback thread in misc too

posted March 29, 2001 05:55               

Could you imagine the crap we'd get? "The Conspiracy has been defeated, and good has triumphed over evil!!! All hail his mighty genius, the Red Quacker!"

Please, no.

posted March 29, 2001 06:25               

But after towing the Hard Line with him for the past month, it would be wrong to suddenly reverse things.

Actually, if the guy had sent an e-mail to an admin making an honest request to be reinstated, I would have agreed wholeheartedly. But with this editing incident, I would be totally against it.

posted March 29, 2001 07:49               

Christian decided to ban RQ for no reason, and as the board owner, that's his prerogative. I don't agree with it, and it doesn't make the banning just, but you can't argue with the man who hands over the money to keep the board going. But don't try to justify the banning by talking about RQ editing his posts. Daystrom did this too.

posted March 29, 2001 09:10               

Hmmmm, then again what Daystrom has done in the past is flamming, plain and simple. RQ on the other hand was far more subversive and subtle, rarely flamming anyone in particular. From my POV, RQ didn't really say much at all to constitute a permenant ban. But the reaction he provoked from members falling into his web is what made Christian ban him. He spoke, and everyone else caused the chaos.

I say lift the ban, will people who sincerely dislike trolls know how to deal with them? People didn't think before they posted last time round. "Ah, heres a blasted troll, I know, I'll flame him and tell him how much trouble he's causing and how annoying that is. OH! That'll work!" If he returns we'll be able to see how muich people will have learn't. Of course most won't have learn't squat, but at least he'd liven the place up like last time.

posted March 29, 2001 09:31               

There's a mentality on this board that makes many people call out a troll alert whenever a new member posts something in a manner that they don't like. Just look at the troll alerts called out about Lee Harvey Oswald, which were recently called out again by Lord Trevor. It's probably only due to the length of time that I have been here that I am not called a troll to my face.

People here need to learn that just because others post in a manner that you find offensive, doesn't mean that they actually are offensive. It's a matter of perception.

I'd like to see Red Quacker unbanned too, but I'm not holding my breath.

posted March 29, 2001 15:50               

But, it is Christian's board and he can do whatever he likes.

Robin

posted March 29, 2001 18:20               

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Don't be so bloody hypocritical. Daystrom has been guilty of everything RQ has, but with less finesse and wit.

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And that's why I'm still here and he isn't.

posted March 29, 2001 20:05               

I sort of like the dude, like him a little more for this clever stunt of editing his old posts then asking the newbies to ressurect his old threads. Pure genius.

posted March 30, 2001 03:48               

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I would, if I could,
but I can't, so I wont.

What ever ya on...
I want some too!!!!

posted March 30, 2001 09:05               

To try to put him in the same league as Red Quacker is crazy. I don't know who Red Quacker really is, but I have a feeling he is much more than anyone realises. He is by far the funniest and most intelligent member ever to have posted here.
He's like the ground up beans to Daystrom's instant powder. This isn't meant as an insult to Daystrom in any manner. I just feel it's unfair to Daystrom to compare him to Red Quacker.

I think Red Quacker is a professional writer, perhaps very well-known, who is spending some idle time posting around the boards. He has written a guest review for my website which will be uploaded in the near future.

posted March 30, 2001 15:49               

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I always say everyone is entitled to their own opinion Slinky. No matter how misguided we may personally feel their opinions to be.

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I believe I've been insulted .

If only I could cry without being laughed at.

Reno:

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He's like the ground up beans to Daystrom's instant powder.

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*jaw drops*

Boy, that's a fucked up analogy.

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This isn't meant as an insult to Daystrom in any manner.

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It isn't...?

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I just feel it's unfair to Daystrom to compare him to Red Quacker.

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But you were the first to do it .

You suck.

*blows Slinky a kiss*

posted March 30, 2001 17:57               

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Daystrom, I'm warning you for flaming Lisa. You are now two warnings away from a three month to permanent ban.

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posted March 30, 2001 19:05            

quote:

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Originally posted by Reno:
I don't know who Red Quacker really is, but I have a feeling he is much more than anyone realises. He is by far the funniest and most intelligent member ever to have posted here.

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posted March 30, 2001 19:23               

There were those who thought Twain would never be let back either.......or Ralphalmighty and a couple of others, but back they are.

My motto is to never say never.

posted March 30, 2001 20:17               

quote:

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It was about 2040 hours and I was sitting alone at a table in an ice cream shop, enjoying my sundae in solitude. I had been looking down at the table and my sundae for awhile, but suddenly, I looked up. I'm not sure why I did this, but I now believe it was in response to some divine providence. I looked up to see a Native American my age standing in front of me, looking through me with a steely gaze. It was as though some kind of material mist transfixed me and compelled me not to move. The Native American drew his arm forth and delivered something to the table at which I sat. For the first time, I looked back down at the table and saw what it was that he had brought. At first I was unable to truly perceive it; it seemed as though it were ablaze with fiery light.

Then, all at once, I saw it. It was a book. The title read 'Garfield's Furry Tales.'

Then I heard the voice of the Native American echo throughout the ice cream shop. He said, 'Sorry about the black eye and the suspension.' He immediately left.

I am not afraid to tell you that at that moment, I completely broke down crying. Tears rolled from my eyes for what seemed like hours; my weeping completely soaked the clothes I was wearing. I probably would remain there to this very moment if the owner of the store had not said it was nine o' clock and he was closing the place.

Although I realize that many of you are unfamiliar with the importance that event had for me, I will tell you this: I am completely cured of the hatred I formerly possessed. I no longer have any racial prejudice against the Native American people.

I held that hatred hidden in my heart since I was in sixth grade, and it was released from me. Surely, if I can do this, Christian can give up the subjective bias he has against me.

Yes, something very wrong took place on TrekBBS. As they say, 'in a conflict, no one is 100% right, and no one is 100% wrong.' I am not completely sure about this, but I have learned that compromises sometimes need to be made, especially for the sake of freedom of speech. I am semi-willing to temporarily entertain the idea that one might possibly, under certain circumstances, be deluded into thinking that I may have partially been not entirely correct in the past. (For those of you keeping score, that was an apology.) As for Christian, he has already confessed that the ban was against the Official TrekBBS policy.

If I can forgive Christian for violating the policy, surely he can forgive me for not violating the policy!

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Quack.

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If you would care to scroll through the replies to virtually any of my posts, you would find a string of hateful, venemous, virulent, vituperative replies. Most of them simply direct profanity toward me, along with some command intended to stop me from posting. Others insult my intelligence, and others are threats of physical violence upon my person. In one particular instance, a poster drew a crude cartoon drawing of a red duck with chicken legs, suffocating and being strangled by a hanging noose.

What the quack is that about?

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Sorry LL, and with all due respect, that is brilliance of a caliber this board has rarely seen, and that is meant without any commentary to anybody elses brain power but Quacks

posted March 30, 2001 23:12               

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Originally posted by Lisa:
I always say everyone is entitled to their own opinion Slinky. No matter how misguided we may personally feel their opinions to be.

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posted March 31, 2001 00:20               

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Off the top of my head -- Saavik, susannah, Twain, odeus, yourself and Reno.

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Word has obviously gotten out that I can be bribed.

and I would never call you lazy. You my dear, are a STAR!

posted March 31, 2001 00:23               

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You're right, we're all entitled to our own opinions, yours, mine, everyone's. I'll just remember that you thought mine was misguided

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Don't do that Slinky, no telling who'll remember you remembering that.

We both had it coming, me for being the dastardly Daystrom and you for having the nerve to speak my name without insult.

Please, disregard Lisa's comment, you weren't the intended target anyway.

posted March 31, 2001 17:27               

Now I am burried in email notifications for this thread... I never thought that this would bring all the admirals here to fight over this...

posted March 31, 2001 17:41               

Daystrom's review of - 'Master Of The Flying Guillotine' will also be there so anyone who wishes to compare the writing wit of these two fine gentlepersons may do so.

posted March 31, 2001 18:10               

quote:

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Originally posted by Stastny:
AARRGGHHH!!! I should never have checked that little box saying "Email Notification: emails sent to you whenever someone replies. Only registered users are eligible"...

Now I am burried in email notifications for this thread... I never thought that this would bring all the admirals here to fight over this...

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Create a mail filter

posted March 31, 2001 18:10               

That's why you didn't receive my original review: "Carnival of souls".

posted March 31, 2001 21:09               

I was genuinely looking forward to reading, and publishing a good review from you.

posted March 31, 2001 21:22            

Two long-term members of the BBS (apparently teenagers) were announcing the end of their romance. (I believe one of them was a moderator). Other members were consoling them. Red Quacker brilliantly stepped up to the plate and announced that one of them was already dating on the Internet.

"What a wit," I thought. Anyone can make jokes, but it takes a truly clever individual to make a couple of suffering teenagers feel even worse. And how original -- no one ever thought of kicking someone when they were down before. And how cleverly done -- suggesting that one of them was dating already: it put me in mind of some of Oscar Wilde's more scintillating bon mots.

posted March 31, 2001 22:53               

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No, Daystrom, the reason I didn't receive your original review is because you felt insulted by me

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No Reno, it wasn't because I 'felt' insulted by you, it was because I was.

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and decided to throw a tantrum because I said that you were not as clever or witty as Red Quacker.

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You couldn't possibly be that naive, I'm not as witty or clever as a lot of people, anyone taking note of that would not insult me.

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I'm disappointed that you sent me a second class review, but I'll put it up on my website anyway just to show that I hold no hard feelings.

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"It was good, I give it 3 stars".

I didn't even send you a second class review.

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I was genuinely looking forward to reading, and publishing a good review from you .

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And I was genuinely looking forward to sending you one, especially after the effort I put into it.

posted April 01, 2001 01:57            

quote:

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Originally posted by Reno:
I don't know who Red Quacker really is, but I have a feeling he is much more than anyone realises. He is by far the funniest and most intelligent member ever to have posted here..

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quote:

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Originally posted by phoenixfire:
Still, I think if people keep posting good things about Quacker, it's only going to make him pull more stunts and try to come back.

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Good!

quote:

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Originally posted by phoenixfire:
That can never happen.

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Yes it can.

posted April 01, 2001 13:53               

Red Quacker had one, one and only one reason for being on this board - to irritate. To irritate the admins, to irritate the moderators, to irritate other people. Hitting BlueAloe and Tusock where it hurt, creating posts that were so provocative that people just had to respond. Never, never has he made any posts that didn't manage to irritate the hell out of me, and never have I seen him put in even one word that could be the slightest bit interpreted as 'friendly'. He looked down on the entire board as though we were lesser beings, he judged everything here by his own sick standards. Most of all, he had no respect for other people.

That people here are idolizing these principles... It pains me to see that.

Yes. He was a genius. And yes. He should never be here again.

posted April 01, 2001 15:55               

I kind of liked him a bit... Actually after about half a year of participating/lurkin I find that the chaos in TNZ is more disturbing than what this guy caused on his own....

If he came back? I'd be chaos... mwahahahahhaha....

But i still think the ban should be lifted.

But as said 47000 times before... it's Christian's board...

*sighs* yeah, i'm babbling and i'm not saying anything anyone else haven't said... blech.

[edit] I just gave this some thought and i realiced that i had forgotten just how mad that guy made me... I forget those things easyly.... Like when he picked on Tusock and BlueAloe... I think that was one of the around five times i've been really angry at something written on a online message board... So... since i can't even make up my mind of what i think I'm so glad I'm not in Christian's shoes... *saluts to Christian*

posted April 01, 2001 20:26               

quote:

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Yes. He was a genius. And yes. He should never be here again.

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Whilst I am well known for my even temper, kind treatment of all bbs members and respect for opinions which happen to be different from my own, it is difficult for me to comprehend Quacker ticking people off. Maybe it was all a big misunderstanding.

Anyway, I happen to think we are richer for the many different personalities represented here on the BBS. I would hate to think what this place would be like if it were only visited by people for whom I approved.....well, actually, that would be ok,..... but I wouldn't like it if only people of whom YOU approved came here.

Anybody who thinks this is an isolated incident should check out the Lt. Mewa thread in The Neutral Zone. That thread is also meant to drive away a member that SOME members would like to see gone for good.

That is to bad IMNTBHO. We should welcome the crabby and crass. They stir us up from our comfort and routine.

At one point many of us would have liked to ban Starman, however he has shown what a huge, shortsighted mistake that would have been.

posted April 01, 2001 21:45               

quote:

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Originally posted by Reno:
[b]Zun, just because you perceive his standards to be sick does not make it so.[/B]

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It's just my petty little opinion... Heck I know I'm a minority. That's exactly why I wanted to voice it... And I also think that if the rest of this board wants him to come back, then let him.

**Sigh** Why do some people always think that other people always think they're right?

posted April 01, 2001 21:59               

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**Sigh** Why do some people always think that other people always think they're right?

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Because some people are assholes, and anyone that disagrees with my assessment is wrong.

And since no one wants to be wrong, I trust we are all in agreement that I am right .

posted April 02, 2001 04:32               

I mostly agree with Zun, with the exception that I just don't care so much anymore. My opinion of Red Quacker while he was here, and when I visited his messageboard, and now at Reno's board is that he is an extremely self-centered individual, to a degree that is paradoxically incredibly annoying and somewhat amusing at the same time. Having barely been here for any time at all, he assaulted the board with a barrage of threads and posts focusing on the structure of the board, demanding changes in a system which he had barely sampled, and which was working quite well for more than 3000 other members. And every thread sooner or later -- usually sooner -- was yanked into being a thread all about Red Quacker's favorite subject: Red Quacker, ad nauseam.

Red Quacker may say, or some of his supporters might say that he had a purpose beyond irritating. Such purposes might include: shaking up authority structures at this and other BBSes, making people think a bit more about what they're doing here on a BBS or online in general in the bigger scheme of things, or that he was an older member trying to stir things up after being miffed over something else.

But I just don't care.

posted April 02, 2001 17:30            

quote:

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Originally posted by phoenixfire:
Originally posted by phoenixfire:
Still, I think if people keep posting good things about Quacker, it's only going to make him pull more stunts and try to come back.

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Originally posted by Seven of Eleven:
Good!

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posted April 02, 2001 18:33            

quote:

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Originally posted by Daystrom:
Whatever.

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YES! Finally someone who stands up to those "evil mods"!

posted April 02, 2001 23:50            

quote:

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Originally posted by phoenixfire:

Look, I know I'm not the authority on this or anything, and it's possible that Christian could change his mind about Quacker. I just [b]strongly doubt this will happen, and I encourage him to stick to his original decision. Everyone has made it obvious that the majority of people want Quacker to come back, and Christian isn't budging.[/B]

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Well I don't think that the majority of people want him back, simply a large minority that includes me. And yes, I understand why he was banned and this is Chirstian's board and etc and etc and etc...

One of the biggest reasons that Red was banned is that he said that he represented the lurkers; the people who don't post. Well the lurkers e-mailed Christian en masse and the rest is history...

posted April 03, 2001 04:33               

A thread will appear in this forum concerning this sickening revelation momentarily.

posted April 04, 2001 21:18            

quote:

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Originally posted by Seven of eleven:
One of the biggest reasons that Red was banned is that he said that he represented the lurkers; the people who don't post. Well the lurkers e-mailed Christian en masse and the rest is history...

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Red Quacker got banned because he said lurkers supported him? That's the first I've heard of it. Anyone can say the lurkers all support them, and who can prove otherwise?

posted April 04, 2001 21:47            

quote:

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Originally posted by The Line:
Who is Red Quaker, and what did he do to deserve all this attention?

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You should read him. His threads can be entertaining at times, and his banning has led to numerous entertaining posts pro and con. Reno and Trident seem to be his biggest fans, though I like much (not all - especially his cruel tredding on tneder hearts) of his stuff as well, though like Trident I came to late to know him first hand. As a fellow observer after the fact, I'd be interested in knowing what you think, since I really like the other posts of yours I've seen so far, and think you have a keen wit.

posted April 04, 2001 22:53            

quote:

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Originally posted by The Line:
I checked all the forums and didn't find any threads started by Red Quacker.

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Use the search function found on the right side of the board. Plug in "Red Quacker"

posted April 05, 2001 00:42            

quote:

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Originally posted by phoenixfire:
If you don't want to wait for the search feature, you can change the number of days a forum shows. The default is something like five, I think, but you can see all of the past ones by adjusting it.

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Yes this method is good if you want to easily find threads RQ began. However, it doesn't tell much about the threads he intruded upon, and this is where you can find some of his best work. Searching his name will give you just about every thread in which he was mentioned.

posted April 05, 2001 18:34               

But at any rate, that's an interesting theory you have there...

However, if Red Quacker actually DID have any friends that posted under the name (as well? lol), I doubt they'd come forward with the information.

LOL !!

posted April 06, 2001 22:36            

quote:

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Originally posted by phoenixfire:
You know his website may help substantiate The Line's theory.

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posted April 06, 2001 23:19            

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Originally posted by Trident:
Red Quacker got banned because he said lurkers supported him? That's the first I've heard of it. Anyone can say the lurkers all support them, and who can prove otherwise?

The way I read it, Christian banned Red Quacker because he personally disliked him. It doesn't say anything about the complaint load.

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I believe at the beggining of the Illegal Ban in Announcements, there is reference to many lurkers complaining about him.

posted April 07, 2001 18:03               

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I call it as I see it, don't be offended by my honesty. -Tiberius

posted April 09, 2001 17:51            

quote:

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Originally posted by The Line:
A Red Quacker web page? I've got to see this. What's the address?

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posted April 09, 2001 18:24            

quote:

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Originally posted by Seven of eleven:
I believe at the beggining of the Illegal Ban in Announcements, there is reference to many lurkers complaining about him.

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I doubt it. These people who are too afraid to post anonymously are going to e-mail the head administrator? Administrators don't care too much for lurkers. Besides, if it was such a big issue, why wouldn't Christian just say "We got too many complaints, so I'm banning him."

posted April 09, 2001 23:13               

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Originally posted by Dr. Jekyl:
Did anyone else get that impression or was it just l'il 'ol me?

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Your right, and that's what made the illegal ban thread more than just an announcement, but a little work of art.. It's certainly proved to be one of the most popular threads announcements has ever seen, look how long it's been going! :)

quote:

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Originally posted by The Line:
He kicks off Quacks and leaves a note that says something like "If you have any complaints, leave them here." I thought that was sarcastic, he was assuming that everyone would be glad to have Quacker gone and there would be no complaint that Christian took an exception that one time.

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posted April 10, 2001 17:40            

The people who weren't posting or lurking during the Red Quacker occupation are more favorable toward him. It's probably because when you go back through the old posts, RQ's are split up more (due to people replying to the threads at odd intervals after RQ's ban).

posted April 10, 2001 18:23            

quote:

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Originally posted by LizardLaugh:
I think he is entertaining, but after seeing some of his posts over at Reno's board, I think he is a bit overrated. He isn't a particularly gifted writer in my opinion, and really no more imaginative than our old pal Admiral.

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Looks like you've crossed over into our "anti Red Quacker camp." Only a few days ago, you were saying how Red Quacker did things that were "pure genius" and "brilliant."

You're not the only one to notice a marked difference in the type of posts Red Quacker makes over at Reno's board. I don't think he's honestly calmed down, he's never done anything honest before. If I had to guess, I'd say he's putting on an act so he can have some proof that he has "toned down" like the admin has requested.

posted April 10, 2001 19:54               

My guess is that perhaps he is getting his attention over at Reno's -- shit, he has a fan club going here. He *is* getting attention.

quote:

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The way he manipulated the people here (yourself included, LL)

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posted April 10, 2001 20:27            

quote:

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Originally posted by LizardLaugh:
The problem with a manipulator is that once you realize you are being manipulated, the manipulator loses all power.

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posted April 10, 2001 23:21            

quote:

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Originally posted by Trident:
I'm curious about what he's up to now. He completely disappeared from his crusade against message boards, except for a perfunctory appearance on Reno's board. If attention is what he wants, he must be getting it somewhere else for the time being.

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posted April 11, 2001 00:04               

quote:

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Originally posted by Trident:
But an experienced manipulator would soon change methods and find some other way to manipulate you. Someone made the point in a TNZ thread DEA posted about Red Quacker. DEA wants RQ to start flaming him for DEA's entertainment. Instead, RQ is being unprovoking, and it's driving DEA crazy. Sounds like DEA is still being manipulated. There's no proof RQ is doing it on purpose, but consider his history.

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posted April 11, 2001 17:13            

quote:

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Originally posted by DEAverification:
*LOL*

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posted April 11, 2001 18:23               

It's absolutely amazing how seriously people actually take this stuff.

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Ok, ok, ok... Enough with the blue flames and smoke people!
DEAverification :P

posted April 11, 2001 18:27            

quote:

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Originally posted by DEAverification:
It's absolutely amazing how seriously people actually take this stuff.

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Exactly. It's too bad some people don't know entertainment when they see it.

posted April 11, 2001 20:38            

quote:

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Originally posted by DEAverification:
The incredibly funny apart is that someone's actually making an analysis of the situation. Were talking about two nobodies on an internet bulletin board, and here people have written out their own psycho-analyses of a conflict.

It's absolutely amazing how seriously people actually take this stuff.

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posted April 12, 2001 00:47               

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Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to....bigotry. -Scourge
DEAverification :P

posted April 13, 2001 15:39            

quote:

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Originally posted by DEAverification:
Yes, but [b]DrWho does actually have the ability to be funny with an open mind. He isn't taking notes nor making assumptions on the board members mental health, or lack there of..

[/B]

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posted April 13, 2001 18:14               

quote:

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In one of the RQ threads, someone (I think DrWho) gave a psychological diagnosis of RQ proclaiming he had schizophrenia.

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posted April 13, 2001 23:12            

quote:

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Originally posted by LizardLaugh:
What would you know about [b]DrWho?
[/B]

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I know all I need to know. He's one dimensional.

"Yeah he's one dimensional, coming from a LINE!"

posted April 14, 2001 03:47               

Keep an eye out there. Many of you are good members, just don't say too much. Many of you are lurkers.. This above isn't the best way to join the board.. :)

These peole are to blame when you have a board regular attack you for no reason...

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Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to....bigotry. -Scourge
DEAverification :P

posted April 16, 2001 19:27            

quote:

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Originally posted by DEAverification:
These peole are to blame when you have a board regular attack you for no reason...

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