 |
| Author | Topic: PDR |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/19/01 1:44 AM
A topic rarely discussed but I think merits a closer look. Entheogens, eXtacy, ayauhusca, VASOPRESSIN, psilocybin... the list goes on. Do they break down barriers, raise consciousness, attune our "vibrational frequencies"... |
| Parsifal |
posted 6/19/01 2:30 AM
http://www.xenopharmacophilia.com/xe/index.html http://www.herbweb.com/ http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96may/nitrous/lsd.htm http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/psychedelic_experience/psychedelic_experience.shtml http://www.basementshaman.com/ And I think most of us have already seen this one but I'll post it again anyway since it is on topic. http://www.hermetic.com/bey/pw-neurospc.html |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/19/01 1:27 PM
Repost from Travel Tech: posted 6/15/01 10:17 PM DW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..speaking of altering consiousness..has anyone ever experimented with VASOPRESSIN and did you find it increased your cognative abilities over a period of time? ---------------------------------------Vasopressin is a peptide hormone found naturally in the brain and is partly responsible for the formation of memories. Its effects rapidly improve short-term memory and enhance memory imprints (i.e. after the event). -------------------------------------- from a review..by R.U.Sirius; VASOPRESSIN - Definitely the most euphoric of the memory-enhancing intelligence-increase drugs outside of the one being called "Euphoria" (more on Euphoria later), Vasopressin is marketed as Diapid, a prescription drug made by our old friends Sandoz. It can also be ordered as Vasopressin through chemical supply houses by those who know the ropes. I had five squirts of Vasopressin out of a nasal inhaler. I was surprised by how strong the effects were. I had that charged-up hyperconfident rush that one experiences with cocaine, but combined with much clearer ideation and without the numbing and discomfort or the strange and disquieting hard edges which often accompany even the more euphoric coke highs. It didn't last very long, about two hours, most of which unfortunately spent riding the BART and walking. By the time I got home, the experience had pretty well dissipated. I did not have an opportunity to experience Vasopressin as a work/writing drug. It was clear, however, simply from reading (I was reading "Gravity's Rainbow" at the time and I consider that a fairly challenging test of comprehension) on the BART ride home, that Vasopressin is an excellent tool for rapid learning and comprehension of complex systems of thought. http://www.smart-drugs.net/product-info/info-vasopressin.htm "wow..who turned on all..the lights!" |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/19/01 1:30 PM
Repost from Travel Tech: posted 6/15/01 11:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jazzcat (hoor) ...tried some smart drugs, but they were too harsh on my system, like Piracetam,and Hydergine, now i use; Pregnenolone Huperzine, ginko which you can get in a health food store, there are some other brain nutrients but they can get rather pricy...I also drink copious amounts of Yerba Mate' which is wonderful because it is a stimulant, but it dosn't burn you out like coffee, Mate is chock full of nutrients, and is the national drink in South American Countries, the drink of the Gouchos, babby! |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/19/01 1:33 PM
Repost from Travel Tech: posted 6/16/01 0:41 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DW ..how about a B-Complex with a huge side dose of Choline...makes the synapse clean up and intensifies their firing capabilities (seemingly)...highlights the most mundane experiences...I had just got off work and was driving through rush hour traffic(had taken 5-B's-100mg...with a side of 8-Choline-650mg)and all of a sudden the depth of perception increased..expotentially..like someone lifted a filter.. or I accessed another frequency..same dimension increased harmonic..I remember saying to the startled people in the next car.."GREAT DAY HUH..?" as they rolled up there windows in fright ! http://www.sirbacon.org/dwc.html Not Recommended For N.Y.Times Readers DW posted 6/17/01 6:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- phenylalanine...L-glutimine...amazing cognitive enhancers..how does this fit into "Travel Tech"..? Well in my opinion..you can't access other frequencies..until you learn to "step-up"..the minds intake factor..cleanse those synapse..process more variables.. ..trouble is most of society is content to consume vast containers of bacterial excrement..(alchohol..anti-cognitive) and wonder why we're still functioning at reptilian brain level ! --------------------------------------- Leary said "The only information which makes a difference..is information which makes a difference..." ---------------------------------------- Please excuse the above post..if it interrupts anyones pre-formulated agenda..and or happy hour ... http://www.sirbacon.org/dwc.html Avid Fan of The NRA and ACLU |
| pikey |
posted 6/19/01 7:41 PM
terry said 'when you get the message it's time to hang up the phone' when asked why he didn't do mushrooms any more. my trips showed me that the level of consciousness on which we ordinarily operate is so because of the need to tailor your true self in order to fit into a society which does not match with human needs. psychedelics let the real beingness in and i knew the point was to get to a level of consciousness whereby you did no longer need to take the plant, or tab. i remeber reading 'Earth : pleidian keys to the living library ' (or it may have been the first book in the series) and there was something in it which said that consciousness was undergoing a change on a mass scale and it compared the eventual goal to tripping full time. the only reason this is not so possible now is because we have created a culture which requires us to filter out all informaton relevant to us, so that we can slot-in to a horrendous lie and slave to serve it. everyone is supposed to be able to do their own loaves & fishies tricks - to find out who / what wants us to slave for it is to find out who / what needs us to not be fully operational. i've looked at this a lot and the best i can come up with is that there is some kind of entity / consciousness which knows that it cannot be fully operational - and that if we find out that it is dependant on us to survive then the tables will turn very quickly. even to take the problem back to a mass-destructive event in the past which still today traumatises the whole of the collective unconscious, an imbalance was present before. macrcosmicly the smashing of the Earth (whether by asteriod, nibiru - accidently or purposely)is a fractal resonance of the atomic split. there is a thinking-problem ; we learn to not trust what we feel is true by application of wrong thinking - so both hemispheres are scrambled. the thinking probelm permits insane actions to go on and on unchecked, even if many know the insane actions to be wrong - because they do not know or understand the hermetic principle of 'as above, so below' . a disturbance at the level of day-to-day relations can and does affect the running of the entire universe. to recitify a problem pervading the collective unconscious it helps enourmously to, well, not play games with your real life. as water carries the memory imprint of all molecular structures that come into contact with it, so the aethers carry the imprint of all thoughts - which can be traced and sourced just like mountain springs run eventually to the sea. |
| Rev.Justin |
posted 6/19/01 8:18 PM
I am new to the whole I&OH subject and am currently wading through the vast amounts of material. I was wondering as a start though where can I purchase these "smart drugs" like ayahuasca and all the others assuming they are legal? I am sure there has to be other ways to get to the proper resonance without tabs or shrooms. Thanks! |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/19/01 8:30 PM
"Anything that can be done with drugs can be done by other means." --William S. Burroughs Any discussions as yet regarding electronic means of consciousness alteration? (Not Brainmachines, I mean more, shall we say, ESOTERIC means). |
| Bozo(The lunatic formerly known as DW) |
posted 6/19/01 9:06 PM
Was that statement made by Burroughs..before or after he scored for the day..?(joke) Rev.Justin as far as I know ayahuasca is not a legal drug ..now the smart drugs which are mentioned in "Smart Drugs" Vol 1 & 2 by John Morgenthaler and Ward Dean are available overseas shipment if you have an MD's OK..put in a search in "Google" on the topic ,Smart Drugs and Nutrients..another good source of info is a book "Life Extension", by Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw..it's about 20 years old ..but it was about 25 years ahead of it's time.. |
| Pahana |
posted 6/19/01 9:27 PM
http://www.healthymagnets.com/anahuasca.htm |
| Rev.Justin |
posted 6/19/01 9:53 PM
Thanks for the start, I will begin studying this right away. I have practiced magic for a while and have always been interested in alternate realities/time travel so when I started looking at the I&OH website I realized I hit the gold mine! Also thank you very much Pahana for the website. I look forward to using it. |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/20/01 1:25 AM
Best of luck, Dr. J. http://www.sirbacon.org/makeout.htm |
| Qlyf |
posted 6/20/01 2:41 AM
Please be aware that ayahuasca has a memory. According to the Ayahuasceros the journey the mixture undergoes is stored and relived by whomever partakes of it. I am suspicious of ANY marketing and sale of such medicine, and warn you against its use!!! Go to South America and find a tribe, or shaman to guide you in the tradition. Do not buy it off the web. It is said that if a menstrating woman was in the presense of Ayahuasca then the vision will run red. What do you think would happen if it went through the hands of a mass murdering child rapist? Mind your sphere. |
| Pahana |
posted 6/20/01 5:38 AM
I'd be warey of it myself. Non tech controlled sliding is always going to be a better option as you dont know what will happen in other worlds. Nevertheless, its out there. |
| Qlyf |
posted 6/20/01 9:28 AM
Yeah, but on the flip side, it'd be hip to take vitamin K in a sense dep tank surrounded by dolphins on Lilly's land. http://www.oceanictantra.com/ |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/20/01 12:56 AM
I'm delighted at the insightful comments everyone has made. Thus, let me throw this out for further introspection. I've previously mentioned my friendship with a Peruvian Shaman who visits the US during the Peruvian Winter. He has again offered to guide me through the dimensional doorway and given careful and thorough instruction on the use of ayahuasca. (Klyph, I found your comments noteworthy in this regard.) It is a heady proposition and not one considered lightly. We have spent many hours discussing the process and ramifications. I'd appreciate everyone's input on the upside and downsides of such an ad)venture. My very real concern is not just "what if I don't come back" but, in light of my reasoning and research that it may not be possible to re-enter the "realm" or dimensional thread from where we entered - "what might I come back TO?" http://www.sirbacon.org/makeout.htm |
| hermes |
posted 6/20/01 1:07 PM
that's a joke, surely. do you really think that you wouldn't come back to the same reality as that which you took the huasca in ? are you sure you're not already on heavy psychedelics ? |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/20/01 1:18 PM
LOL! Actually, not a joke. There are many "theories" - both scientific and esoteric - that suggest this. I believe it necessary to weigh all of the possibilities seriously. http://www.sirbacon.org/makeout.htm |
| hermes |
posted 6/20/01 1:30 PM
well, how many people have you heard of who have taken any psychedelic and actually went into another dimension and not returned ? i've never heard of that happening, although i believe that if you wanted to do such a thing then ingesting a psychedelic would definitely enhance that - but you would need to know your target and also that the active molecues were harmonious with whichever dimension you wished to visit. |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/20/01 1:46 PM
Those are good points, thanks. I really have no response with regard to the use of psychedelics in that I'm only aware of few instances where they were injested for the specific purpose of crossing dimensional boundaries, though doing so may have been an unintended effect. In this instance, the use of ayahuasca is only one element of the overall process and, I am told, may not even be necessary. I suppose, viewing this objectively, intent would be the primary factor. ('course..there is always the Tantric method - smile) http://www.sirbacon.org/makeout.htm |
| Rev.Justin |
posted 6/20/01 5:54 PM
Thanks for the warnings and the very interesting posts about ayahuasca use. I will try not to buy drugs off the internet from child murdering psychopaths or menstruating women any time in the near future! I know that you don't necessarily need to use psychedelics or tantra and they are both tools, but they would at first, be a good push in the right direction. I have used various psychotropic substances for great results when working with Enochian and the Necronomicon myself. |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/20/01 6:10 PM
Just as an interesting side-note: Has anyone run across any information regarding actual or implied govt-related reasons for the war on drugs other than the usual ones? I ask this because it seems that the war on drugs is now reaching beyond-absurd parameters: www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/06/ 20/rave_feature/index.html and for other reasons that have occurred to me while perusing various books on the subject of the 60's paradigm, like "The CIA, LSD & the 60's Rebellion", and "Storming Heaven: LSD & the American Dream". I'm just guessing here, but is it possible that someone in one of the many "alphabet soup" agenices knows a thing or two about psychedelics that isn't being put out there, but that every veteran psychonaut knows to be true? Not just about the transcending of dominant paradigms/reality tunnels, but about the reality-shaping and possible trans-dimensional effects as well? |
| hermes |
posted 6/20/01 9:50 PM
might you mean someting such as this :- http://serendipity.magnet.ch/cia/cia_lsd.html spooks on acid |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/21/01 6:05 PM
Not quite what I was looking for, but interesting premise nonetheless. Thanks. I guess I should have been more specific: information about possible knowledge by intel agencies of various paranormal and evolutionary effects of psychedelics. As everyone knows, the drugs classified as illegal "controlled" substances are a widely varied lot, some addictive, some not (in the physical sense at any rate); and that a certain intel agency has often relied on the distribution of the nastier addictive and destructive substances to finance various black ops and ventures throughout the world. They aren't smuggling ayahuasca, DMT & magic mushrooms at any rate. Only the most purely physically addictive and destructive: heroin and cocaine (often refined as crack), and their chumminess with various cartels and syndicates is pretty well-known at this point in time. Point being: the non-addicitve, evolutionary beneficial substances are lumped in with all the rest. Why? I'm sure the CIA experimented with more than just LSD and psilocybin, though whether or not ayahuasca and DMT were utilized I don't know. Anyone? I'm looking for solid leads here. |
| hermes |
posted 6/21/01 6:30 PM
"information about possible knowledge by intel agencies of various paranormal and evolutionary effects of psychedelics." - uh, no offense, but that info. is in the link albeit as speculative. as the CIA was formly the OSS, which was built along SS guidelines to say the least, it is very likely that consciousness expanding plants and molecules were known since it's inception - going by some info. i've read concerning pre-WW2 German secret societies' interest in the likes of mescaline. ayahuasca - apart from Schultes who brought it to widespread attention, this could have been known about via Peruvian brotherhood networks. again, South America is also a haven for ex-Reich personnel with plenty of esoteric bits and pieces on vimana and anti-gravity projects being relocated to the jungles......so depending on how accurate you think such things to be there is certainly plenty of room for American Intel. to be aware of plants like ayahuasca, san pedro, brugsmania species, and others which escape me right now. |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/21/01 7:50 PM
Ooops! Totally forgot about the South American/Nazi connections via OSS/and Operation Paperclip-related ops. I should have known. Thanks. But Peruvian Brotherhoods? Not sure I've heard of these before. Can you elaborate? |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/23/01 1:48 PM
Djinn, this isn't totally responsive, but interesting nonetheless. http://www.http://www.rense.com/general11/ciac.htm |
| hermes |
posted 6/23/01 4:39 PM
Peruvian brotherhoods - see the adventures unlimited online catalogue for a few titles on or relating to them. (the 'secret cities' in the jungle i think is in one of the anti-gravity compilation books - the cover shows a complex which looks not unlike what Cydonia is speculated to resemble) |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/25/01 8:16 PM
Again, thanks. Though as with so much else, trying to discern the kernels of truth remains elusive at best. I find conspiracy-esque milieus such as this, if not others, to be a perfect definition of a "turbulent mirror". I do find it curious though that seemingly only the Germans had the foresight to explore the New World in terms of mind-altering botanicals (presumably they were aware of ayahuasca as early as 1920, possibly earlier). Though the British were certainly familiar with cannabis and opium due to their holdings in Asia and the Middle East, the truly mind-bending substances seemed to have eluded them, not to mention the other dominant world powers. Again, why Germany? Any insights? Also, on a connected topic, does anyone know how far back the occult societies in Germany go? I'm referring to the Vril Society, the Order (Lodge?) of the Black Sun, among others. Additionally, does anyone know if the Anthrosophists (Steiner) had anything to do with psychotropic experimentation? All responses/links are appreciated. |
| whadya mean why Germany ? |
posted 6/25/01 11:36 PM
Bavaria |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/26/01 6:38 AM
Djinn, I think you will find this very interesting. "All of this is really, in a sense, just setting the scene for the 'stargate conspiracy', at the heart of which are revelations about a very interesting group of people. Nearly fifty years ago, this American group believed that they had established contact with powerful extraterrestrial beings. Not physical contact, but psychic or telepathic communication. Over a period of many years these entities made many revelations about themselves - including that they had been the gods worshipped in ancient Egypt. (These beings called themselves �The Council of Nine�, as made more popular by the book �The Only Planet Of Choice� - ed.)" http://www.vegan.swinternet.co.uk/articles/conspiracies/hijackingthegods.html |
| Hermes |
posted 6/26/01 3:39 PM
"Barbara is in hospital again after listening to one of Pastor Jack's sermons." - the truth behind that statement is the real actual conspiracy behind everything else, including the psuedo-exposure of OWL-esque plans to reveal certain truths via controlled release of information. (there is a sideline of implementing information outflow and then turning around and claiming it all dovetails too nicely. of course it does - it was planned and controlled release of data !) one of the longer running nets of control to shepherd your thoughts are that of mythologies ; it's all too easy to get good brains (intelligent folk are more suggestable ; good folk aren't by nature expecting to be conned) to go along with some storyline or plan about how things are going to unfold, then once they are immersed in the symbology and manner-of-interpretation that they have been taught is the right way, the rug is pulled out from under them leaving them floating in the dark. are you guilty of superimposing your favourite map over everything, - the tarot map, the arthurian map, the greek tragedy map ? are you reading nature and events as is, or are you reading them according to some old story or some latest quantum interpretation, or whatever else ? when all the puppet strings are detached, then it is seen as is. |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/26/01 6:50 PM
Puppet strings indeed. Thank-you Harla, that link proved very interesting, to say the least. SRI investigators on the Giza plateau, I should have known! The way it all starts to segue together in terms of the interconnected themes we keep seeing again and again, meaning the references to CIA, MK-ULTRA, paranormal investigations & experiments, ad infinatum. I think I'm starting to see where you're coming from on all this. Thanks again for all your valuable investigative work, you have no idea how much you're appreciated by a number of researchers. Though there are numerous individuals who serve to cloud the truth and obscure those doing the real work, thankfully you aren't one of them. |
| Hermes |
posted 6/26/01 7:25 PM
well here i am again to blast a bit of the real stuff at ya ; forgive me for saying so, but it looks like you are just doing the same old thing again. 'i should have known...' in reply to a web article - do you just read anything and then think it must be true ? be objective ! when i saw the stargate conspiracy book my first thoughts were that 'how the fuck do i know if they are part of the same group as those they speak of, how do i know if they are publishing at the behest of another, for personal vendetta reasons, etc.' i've read much about strange-goings on on the giza plateua, but the only rational thing to do is be aware that even if you went there and got a government guide to show you around - you wouldn't know if any of the stuff you read about really happened. you get a local to show you around - how do you know they aren't making stuff up ? most people are full of shit. they'll tell you what you want to hear, or what ever will make them money. we all know our perceptions mould and shape absolutely everything, yet we can't admit that where all the old stuff comes from is ourselves in the past, old thoughts bouncing around the planet. we think we are shaping the universe with our thoughts and we write about it and discuss consciousness at length, then we act like our centre is outwith our own bodies - when we know it's all within. |
| Rev.Justin |
posted 6/26/01 7:37 PM
So judging by your post does that mean that I am just supposed to read things just for the sole express purpose of calling it bullshit and getting pissed off because "they" are lying to me? Then what is the point of trying to assimilate any type of information in front of me? I understand and appreciate what you are saying but at the same time it would also help instead of saying something is full of shit to catalog it for future reference to something else to see indeed if the fleece is being pulled over the eyes about the particular subject. |
| DW |
posted 6/26/01 7:50 PM
http://dailygrail.com/misc/cop181299.html ------------------------------------------------------------Dovetails with the "Stargate Conspiracy"..info... http://dailygrail.com/misc/cop181299.html |
| Klyph |
posted 6/26/01 8:04 PM
"Don't believe anything. Regard things on a scale of probabilities. The things that seem most absurd, put under 'Low Probability', and the things that seem most plausible, you put under 'High Probability'. Never believe anything. Once you believe anything you stop thinking about it. The more things you believe, the less mental activity. If you believe something, and have an opinion on every subject, then your brain activity stops entirely, which is clinically considered a sign of death, nowadays in medical practice. So put things on a scale of probabilty, and never believe or disbelieve anything entirely." -R. A. Wilson http://www.ccel.org/u/underhill/mysticism/mysticism1.0-MYSTICIS-5.html#fnB300 |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/26/01 8:30 PM
No, Hermes, I don't believe EVERYTHING that I read; though if you've been following the discussions here on Harqalya and on the old DP threads, you'll see that a number of names and organizations DO keep popping up repeatedly, related to a number of alleged "conspiracies". Its the overlap that I'm interested in, moreso than the actual indivdual "conspiracies" themselves. "Where there's smoke there's fire", as the saying goes. CIA, Princeton, SRI, Esalen, UC Santa Cruz, the "Aviary", and so on. Did people believe the goings-on regarding MK-ULTRA at first? What about the experiments conducted by the Atomic Energy Commission during the Cold War era on various unsuspecting individuals? The Tuskegee Syphilis experiment? Certainly if one alleged such things say, 30 or 40 years ago, one would have been labelled a "nut". Yet these things happened. Look at the excesses of various intel agencies during the Vietnam War era (including Watergate)and then again during Iran/Contra: same agencies, and many of the same people. Am I paranoid? No. Am I skeptically realistic? Yes. Objectivity is a loaded word, given how we all take in and process information as individuals. What are your standards for objectivity, praytell? When I stated that I wasn't surprised by SRI researchers being on the Giza plateau, I meant it. It didn't surprise me. Regardless of whether its true or not, it doesn't surprise me. It fits a pattern that repeats itself fractally throughout the conspiracy milieu, something that says alot about the milieu, about the dissemenation of info, about info-war theory in general, and about human communication and psychology. Don't assume that all of us are in this investigation for the same reasons. But then again, if you were truly objective, you'd know that. I'm looking for the metapatterns that flow like currents in the new media society and its concurrent mythologies, truth be told. Satisfied? |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/27/01 1:19 AM
Djin, you forgot to mention the Univ of Chicago connection. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project188.html Here's more: http://http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project196.html The tech is all in your head |
| Reader |
posted 6/27/01 2:04 AM
I think what may be frustrating a lot of people who read this and other resources like it is for someone to get to the point of all these so called connections already. I for one would like one of you researchers to stop alluding to your point and make it already. No disrespect intended but come on. Coming Soon? |
| Klyph |
posted 6/27/01 2:53 AM
"Coming soon?" That sounds like an IT.T thing to me. Does there have to be an end? http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/2000-11/msg0029364.html |
| rhythmage |
posted 6/27/01 3:07 AM
the point is that research is invaluable but any individuals "conclusion" or rhetorically supported theory is more relevant to the researcher than the actual material. If you need someone else's conclusion then you probably wouldn't get what all this is about anyway. In other words, make your own maps. Best of luck |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/27/01 3:28 AM
Reader asks a good question (and I sure don't have the answers) but also difficult to limit to only one context since there appears a multi-layering of sciences and studies, technology and events and it seems more and more information is being released of late - it just seems endless at times. The "connections" cited are justifiable in that many of these scientists had reason to know each other and associate with each other, after all, and it is highly doubtful that individually any of them had any malevolent agendas. To apply a Cartesian mindset, click and point and say it's this or that or black or white. It just isn't possible. I can't speak for others, but when reviewing the development of behavioral sciences, the funding of certain behavioral programs and applications, the allegations that technology such as anti-gravity and transistors could have been back-engineered from "alien technology"; that this sort of technology may possibly enable a dimensional time-space breach, the burgeoning of 'consciousness studies' and Remote Viewing funded by various 'sources'; the association of quantum physicists with these same consciousness studies groups; the allegations that these institutes sought to "contact" dimensional entities and that some of these same scientists were permitted access to "alien" technology, etc. etc. etc. - the overlapping causes eyebrows to raise if nothing more and we ask questions and look closer. I agree that it's all fairly unexciting and stale stuff for the "armchair quarterbacks". It's so much more titillating to delve into "invading reptoid mind-rapers" or "dimensional monsters", NWO, etc. than to wade through mundane facts and documents for the threads. In this regard, though, in The Stargate Conspiracy by Clive Prince and Lynn Picknett, they ask two very pertinent questions: "Did they (???) create this scenario from the beginning, as part of a long-term programme of psychological and sociological manipulation? Or could it really be that some non-human entities - but not necessarily who they claim to be - are either running the show or are partners in its stage management?" While we try feebly to examine and understand the implications of or even "encountering" dimensional travel and/or entities, I suppose Klyph has the best advice - question everything, believe nothing. Thus, (and I admit to being guilty of this on too many occasions) it's not possible to reach a "conclusion" because I'm always finding and learning new things and being "corrected" when I'm dead-wrong (blush). [Thanks guys for all the wake-up calls when I need it. It is ALWAYS appreciated - even when it stings.] http://http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project196.html The tech is all in your head [This message has been edited on 06/27/2001] |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/27/01 3:39 AM
Great link, Klyph, as always. http://http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project196.html The tech is all in your head |
| Klyph |
posted 6/27/01 4:30 AM
I just find weird stuff that interests me, and throw it out there. Thanks for hosting a site where I can do that. http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/anim/cone-m.gif |
| Hermes |
posted 6/27/01 4:43 PM
sorry Djinn i got my wires crossed. allow me to explain which may also satisfy 'reader' (whom i hope is not a pseudo-post actually by someone already posting here - that would come under wrong-orchestration by way of deciet. anyways...). i thought that you had fallen into the trap; the trap i speak of is double-egded and the same trap which sprang up and fucked many people back in the 60s who had found a new (well, resurrected) way, the same trap which sprang up and ensnared Steiner and Reich and Schauberger and others who speak from their hearts and souls. a lot of information is released and built up - real info. is procured and re-packaged to fit into a type of mould which makes the ideas more manageable. the idea is to build up a scenario which contains things 'unbelievable' to the society-conditioned mind (though the heart and soul know otherwise), and then once a breakthrough is achieved by the mind to accepting what the greater self knows to be true, THEN the rug is pulled out from under you. purpose - to drive you insane, to stop you from seeking the truth again after such a nasty bite. it is the same methods which have been used many times already this century. the players in this are 'opposames'- they are on the same side playing catch with true seekers (those who do not play such games, and would not). the way i personally have come into this is that i have in previous lives been heavily involved with such peoples; the whole point is to come back and say so, and give away what you have learned. i hope that those who can see have always been aware of what my net presense was for. i can't speak for anyone else as i haven't even met anyone in this life so far who admits to these realities, although of course i communicate with them on other layers when i am not being bombarded with hate and abuse by the sorts of occult abusers whom i have so often pointed out the truth about on various discussion boards. that is how i do things. most like me do not survive as we are tagged as soon as we take our selves into this realm, ie - choose a body to incarnate in. we are followed in ways you probably suspect but don't want to admit is true - perhaps you have been used in such a capacity yourself, perhaps you are like me but have had more programming which has made you look away from what you know. i can only speak for myself. |
| Reader |
posted 6/27/01 5:57 PM
All I was saying was this. When you lay out information you do so for a reason. It is no accident what you choose to say in a forum like this. Look at this and then that and hmmm isn't that interesting? Every conversation has a subtext. No I'm sorry every conversation does. Some can read them better than others. Don't be so arrogant as to think you do not do this. I am doing it right now to a lesser degree. Look at the bigger picture. I just found something over at the incunabula.org site that gave me the background on what I've been missing here. Every thing has multiple layers and there's always more than one side to every story. Have fun all. Some of you were fun to read. Some of you need therapy. Some of you need to check your egos at the door. |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/27/01 6:13 PM
Points well-taken, Hermes. I didn't mean to "snap" at you, but then again the net is a poor place for conveying the nuances and cues we take for granted in human speech and especially in face-to-face interaction. Probably the source of a great deal of misunderstandings and flame wars in general. I do understand your meaning of "trap" though. The either/or was not quite a particularly beneficial reality tunnel, hence its gradual replacement by something a bit more conducive to evolutionary goals: it would appear our need to "see" greater swathes of the "spectrum" is directly tied to our growth as a species, if not a society. By "spectrum" I mean several things: getting beyond the cartesian either/or and into both/and--"beyond good & evil" as it were, if you want to look at it from that angle--not to mention the ideas of psychohistory as espoused by Bloom and others, memetic and paradigmal patterns throughout history; in other words, being able to step back and really "see" the patterns shaping our development as individuals and as members of both civilizations and species. And its especially important to view this from as many angles as possible, in order to apprehend the grand narratives taking place. My particular interests lie in tracking down the inter-related themas in the conspiracy milieu, noting the points of overlap and researching from there. It doesn't really "end" because there is no end to it: its open-ended, there's always new information to take in, and hypotheses are always changing as a result. I was drawn to the incunabula project because it drew so many threads together I was nearly overwhelmed at the sheer density of all the colliding paradigms present. And like a cell in a particulary friendly medium, it continues to grow and expand, its always being changed and added to. I find that very telling in terms of what I alluded to earlier, about the "spectrum". I do have one other question at the moment, for Harla: what happened to your other writings on-line? "The Menu is not the Meal" I've found easily enough, but what about your other essays? Presumably your "Traveller" site is down; please let me/us know if you've changed URL's or if/when your other essays will be available again (I refer here to the ones posted/promised on "Traveller"). Thanks in advance. |
| Hermes |
posted 6/27/01 8:08 PM
"All I was saying was this. When you lay out information you do so for a reason. It is no accident what you choose to say in a forum like this. Look at this and then that and hmmm isn't that interesting? Every conversation has a subtext. No I'm sorry every conversation does. Some can read them better than others. Don't be so arrogant as to think you do not do this. I am doing it right now to a lesser degree. Look at the bigger picture." -some people are just being honest. or is that too difficult to understand ? the reason people would talk in subtexts is because they have been trained to either in this or some previous life. - for me, things happened in my life which i am determined to resolve, and that is the only reason i even began to use any discussion boards, especially including this one. i'm not saying i never used a subtext, but i am saying that the very existence of such a form of communication is alien to me ; i have no comprehension of why or how such a method of contact could be employed and it is incredibly painful that i have ever had to pretend i am not me because if i told the truth i would have been in the looney bin by now. i hope you won't take that as meaning i have a gigantic ego, as i certainly don't find myself more important than anyone else. for a start, my levels of importance are nature-based, so i recognise solar consciousness first, then rock, and so forth depending on what is dependant on what has gone before. (yes there is pre-solar, but you'll get the idea). so i don't understand how such 'lying' began, and i don't understand how it has ever continued as it can only exist when the most oppresive and ignorant have power over others - and then how could such a thing occur logicly or otherwise ? if you answer anywhere along the lines of 'it just is' 'it's always been that way' 'it's human nature' then you are really missing the big picture and you are not seeing where the bad seed originated, or when. |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/28/01 1:27 PM
Djinn, very thoughtful of you to ask. As you can tell from the Traveller site, I'm new at this web thingy and it is a very sloooow process trying to reorganize the material into a cogent format. At present, I feel the Harqalya Archives are the most important because of all the wonderful contributions, insights and links provided by those who frequent and visit this board and definitely much more important than my "ramblings". (smile) But, you made a very relevant observation in stating that "there's always new information to take in, and hypotheses are always changing as a result". That takes an inordinate amount of time and ancillary research so as not to take ANYTHING at face value. As you also noted, the density of the material is staggering and it requires much thought and careful correlation to wade through it. In addition, the discovery or release of new information often sheds an entirely new light on certain aspects (The "Stargate" release is a perfect example). In that vein of thought, let me add this: reviewing the other-similar types of boards (except DP), this one remains the most open and informative place to toss out ideas, theories, and hypothesis in our continual exploration of the "fringe". If you examine them, you will find in most cases that the discussion here has surpassed the "levels" of examination of many related topics on those boards. I suppose that is why recent visitors may be a bit "confused" when they "find" this board. (I urge everyone to go back and read through the ~Harqalya~ archives every now and again to understand my meaning.) It is impossible for ONE PERSON to do it alone and even approach objectivity. We need and rely on the valuable contributions of others to continue to share and discuss, which broadens everyone's horizons. My gratitude and thanks to all for their contributions and assistance. In the massive amounts of info available, I hope each person finds something useful to them in their respective quests. |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/28/01 1:30 PM
Since amazingforums only allows 50 posts per thread, I'm going to wrap this one and will put it in the Archives. If anyone wants to continue this discussion, please start another topic thread. |
|
|