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| Author | Topic: The Gauntlet |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/16/01 5:26 AM
I'm sure in a few hours or a few days we will have people tripping over each other to find out just "what the hell is going on!" When I am able to gather my composure long enough to stop laughing (I DO have multiple personality disorder if you didn't know that already! LOL!) I should be adequately "composed" to respond to the allegations as posed. (smile) So, here's the question I'm going to throw out and let you - the purveyors and thinkers - decide. Should I even bother to respond and just ignore the silliness or come out guns blasting? (which isn't really my style and never has been). Tell me what you all think. Sincerely, Harla |
| Klyph |
posted 6/16/01 6:09 AM
Bust the mirrors! Do what thou wilt shall be the hole of the law. Love is the law Love under will |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/16/01 6:19 AM
As usual, dear Klyph, you are a man of great wisdom! Thanks! |
| jazzcat (hoor) |
posted 6/16/01 8:39 AM
...I'm the guy, that's not the guy, that wears mirrored masks, I'm not Jack Flanders, well maybe there's a little bit of him in all of us, I'm the white noise to black noise, and on the way the spectrum of spectres, To some I'm total drivel, to others divine irreverence, perhaps inspiration, I wear the ghoat horns, I ware the ghost suit, and hey it fits!...I'm doing a digital ghost dance in hyperspace, I'm a cyberjunky flunkie own my own, a Quixote character batteling cyber slober mills of satan, i improvise, so I'm called jazzcat, i slink in and out of yr scene, and create kaos in my wake, what is this "KAOS" is it disruption, is it childish?..is it lack of having anything really important to say, or is it a static hum, a low chant of octaves that runs through the whole cacaphony of background sounds, perhaps it is a kind of dimensional drift recording all the voices that are speaking in the little box provided,well actually we are writing things down in such a way so as to try to make some sense of the plethora of ideations we are in the process of describing, I believe that we are beyond the horizon event, it already happened because the future is rushing back at us like a flood of history, at its info bloated end...like a misquito swarm... |
| DarkPlanet |
posted 6/16/01 10:28 AM
Im with you Harla. It's either laugh about how desperate this ploy for attention is or get really pissed off about the LIES!!! Who the hell is this wacko anyways? http://www.darkplanetinline.com Monkeys, Toys and Guns |
| DarkPlanet |
posted 6/16/01 10:46 AM
B.T.W, Is DragonFeathers Jack the same person who runs MPC? The personality fits and with that message board battle we had, some of the info seems to relate to those conversations. Messed up all the same...Agenda anyone? http://www.darkplanetinline.com Monkeys, Toys and Guns |
| jazzcat (hoor) |
posted 6/16/01 11:31 AM
Denny is an ass, plane and simple, he is a poetry hater, an an egotist, stuffed with self important, arrogance... |
| jazzcat (hoor) |
posted 6/16/01 11:40 AM
so miss multiple personality, who do you side with the artists, or the yuppie snob psudopsychocyberegos...take your pick, the phony name fame ego cyborg ego club, or the revolution of kaos... there there is your choice...chose well just because somebodyy has a fancy web site dosn't mean shyte in the real world, sloberspace is fake, Denny is fake, he thinks he is god because he has a web page about all this stuff...art or artiface...theres your choice... don't chose the rong door, the one with the fancy glosy web design...$$#$#$#$$$$ you Denny!!! |
| jazzcat (hoor) |
posted 6/16/01 12:08 AM
...in the final anaylisis, when you walk through that door, all the cyber slime jibberjabber, pontifacaters of phenomen like Denny and his ilk, hidding behind thier so arrogant self-important little arch cyber masks, are the carny men of slober space, self appointed little pointy headed ones, that pretend to be big shots because they talk about dimensonal time stuff, WHOA!!! hoop te do, hey i read a science fiction book or two in my time, B.F.D. its all just a phony mind game, ART is the only true mirror reflection of the wall of disinformation, and out right culture hack mind death...when they pretend that thier all so important information holds president over ART (poetics) then it is the same thing all over persecution of the true revolution of the mind and soul, the secret Alchemy of the word, can only be written in a dance of code through the art of Kaos, so when people try to poo-poo it then you know whom you are dealing with, without art in your soul you haven't got a chance against the mind fuckers, people like Denny are wimps, and if you don't know that by now then, i think you have already been lulled into some cyber hypnosis meglomenia...go ahead wimp out! |
| Darkplanetonline |
posted 6/16/01 12:09 AM
Wow, Alot of hate there. You must be part of the anti-DP coalition. It always amazes me how people see me as an egotist when I'm continually knocking myself in public. Truth is, if we met in public we'd probably drink a few beers and get along just fine. It's just a web site friend. It's a hobby and one that I enjoy. Im not seeking fame or fortune just opening a door to the world of the strange. Its people like you that make it such a joy to keep plugging away at something that makes me no money and gives me little positive feedback. Its hard to feed a non-existent ego. Bash away...bash away http://www.darkplanetinline.com Strange boogy men in tights |
| Darkplanetonline |
posted 6/16/01 12:14 AM
B.T.W. My parents are bikers and Im a graphic designer. I dont know how accurate that makes your assumption of me. BITE ME! P.S. Sorry that this is spilling onto your board Harla. Im out... http://www.darkplanetinline.com Strange boogy men in tights |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/16/01 3:58 PM
jazzcat, you are an enigma! Your post above was very profound and ponderous and I find myself nodding along with you, especially with regard to the statements that the "event horizon has already happened" and the future is rushing back upon us. So, having said that, let me AGAIN state that Denny is a dear dear "innocent" - the most "innocent" of all those who have "stumbled" into the quagmire which is I&OH. http://geocities.com/mia_xpt/ack2.html. Please take the time to listen to the DarkPlanet radio show. You might be surprised at his candor and sweet disposition. Your venting against him is confusing and I won't address it further. Nonetheless, if you are adamant about "venting" against 'forces', etc. I ask you - as a personal request - to use that ponderous thought processing and deep insight and give me your analysis as to whys and possible motivations for these attacks. Since this is MY board, I will ask only for the references which pertain to me and no one else. After you do so, let me know what you think I should do. Respond or ignore it? I cannot "choose" sides. As you know, the world is not black/white/either/or/up/down. The scenario presented here is equally multi-faceted and layered. |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/16/01 4:51 PM
Corporate culture? Counterculture? There is no more dividing line or DMZ between that which is strictly commercial, for profit and the so-called "underground" in any endeavour. Everything's merging. Get used to it. Too much "either/or" outdated paradigms clouding up the synaptic relays. Yuppies, BoBos, anarchist clowns, who cares? Soon, no one will be able to tell the difference anyways, though I think this has already occurred to some degree. (YOU know who YOU are!) All the boundaries we're so used to are changing, mutating, becomming like liquid structures that bend and flow as some Taoist metaphor for being. Again, get used to it. No more "us and them". No more "recuperation". No more "spectacle". Its all feedback. We're all part of the same equation. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/16/01 4:57 PM
Wow! Wonderful post! Always impressive, Djinn! Here's a bit from Alex Burns regarding the "Majestic" game which addresses this "merging" we are seeing take place and the "hallucinogens of alternate realities". "We have been handed one of the best tools ever invented to scan mass society and re-script its deep memetic codes. This happened (at least) once before: the CIA + LSD = 1960s Counterculture memeplex explored in Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain's riveting book Acid Dreams: The CIA, The '60s and Beyond (New York: Grove Press, 1986). Key memes and metapatterns, that function and are observable at all individual/group lifecycle stages, have already been identified. All that is needed is for competently trained people to apply this knowledge with ethics, foresight and precision." Alex Burns |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/16/01 6:26 PM
Agreed. But define "competent". Define "ethics". We're talking very shaky ground here. If I had to choose a direction for all of this, I'd say it was about directly applying memetics on a grand cultural canvas to help accelerate evolution. Like a survival tool. Once we apprehend the connections that underly all out false social and psychological constructs, the ones that inhibit our ability to "see", will the resulting shift in perception cause us to make those intuitive leaps necessary towards a more holistic existence? While I don't claim this to be an absolute by any means (and are there really any absolutes nowadays?), I do think such memetically-inspired intuitive leaps are in our near-future. Call it a gut feeling if you like. Also, the disinfo links on that Majestic article that connect Crowley to Spiral Dynamics are well worth a read. Definitely a current in the air! |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/16/01 6:36 PM
Shaky ground, indeed! That has been my bone of contention all along - the misapplication of responsibility by those with the "expertise". In this same vein of thought and as further "proof" - been to any good "groovies" lately? The neXt wave has already hit! http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010614/en/multimedia-goovies_1.html "Groovies" - A blend of movie and electronic games |
| Cerebus |
posted 6/16/01 7:47 PM
Oh, do tell us Ms. Morally superior, expert on all things! What is the right thing to do? We all wait in stasis until we recieve your divine guidance. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/16/01 7:59 PM
Oh, jeez...wish I knew! Any ideas? http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010614/en/multimedia-goovies_1.html |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/16/01 8:01 PM
How Gibsonesque to say the least. I had no idea we were as far along into the event horizon as that link suggests. But again, we're back to the question of intent, aren't we? While the profit motive and the evolutionary impetus are so throroughly intertwined as to be inseparable now in the new paradigm, one has to wonder, evolutionary change towards WHAT? That's what is bothering me right now. Change towards the development of higher forms of consciousness? Towards greater complexity in analytical thinking and the ability to transcend traditional categorical modes of learning? Towards a multidimensional apprehension of the layered effect of matter and consciousness? Or perhaps towards something not so benevolent, say, towards becoming better consumers of infomediatainment, caught in a web of iteration where our every mood, impulse, need and want is carefully analyzed for future intrusive advertising disguised as immersive goovie. Maybe that's already started, look at how much product placement takes place on TV and in the movies. It seems almost a Manichaean struggle between the forces of evolution and those of entropy, often working side by side in the same fields of entertainment and advertising. At least that's what I'm getting out of authors like Howard Bloom and Douglas Rushkoff, among others. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/16/01 8:18 PM
A fine line to be sure. Thanks for stating the concept so eloquently. Hopefully, "awareness" and a heads up attitude as to what is transpiring is an effective checks-and-balance posture. I have this posted on the site, but it is a must-read for anyone who wants further info on these ideas. Coercion : Why We Listen to What 'They' Say by Douglas Rushkoff No Logo by Naomi Klein is fascinating, as well. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D157322829X/douglasrushkoffA/107-0604116-1340542 |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 6/16/01 8:30 PM
Thanks Harla. Also, you might want to check out The International Paleopsychology Project at www.paleopsych.org/ "Like genes, memes do not operate in solo, but interlock in the mosaics that form weltanschaungs, worldviews." --Howard Bloom, The Lucifer Principle "The instantaneous quality of today's media provides us with relatively uncensored, direct feed from the front, wherever that may be. More significantly, its speed and distribution allow for participatory, culture-wide events to unfold in the present tense. History becomes now." --Douglas Rushkoff, Media Virus |
| Kaliph |
posted 6/18/01 3:55 AM
Casting quick judgements in stir the mud words The mud settles and walks in others shoes Quick fix cyberspeakeasies Walks barefoot on the beach Meaning Questyonable |
| hermes Pike |
posted 6/18/01 2:35 PM
So, here's the question I'm going to throw out and let you - the purveyors and thinkers - decide. Should I even bother to respond and just ignore the silliness or come out guns blasting? (which isn't really my style and never has been). Tell me what you all think. Sincerely, Harla another Crowley quote which will help you : "Get Out !" have a look around. take a deep breath. it's a piece of shit - walk away. it's only a mental prison - there's nothing holding it up. |
| hermes Pike |
posted 6/18/01 2:47 PM
ever see 'The Prisoner', Harla ? you are number 1, all along. hurry up & 'bite your tail'. (or tale, just fucking complete the circle) |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/18/01 2:57 PM
Thanks for your input, hp. |
| hermes 'HH' Pike |
posted 6/18/01 3:00 PM
here's what you could've won bloody ages ago if the third reich hadn't been horribly aborted and perverted. (Steiner was one of the many excellent scientists who went bye-bye out of Deutschland) (in lieu of 'storytelling' in the link put 'puppets' or 'language' for more links.) http://www.emerson.org.uk/fulltimecourses/storytelling.htm why not teach ? |
| Klifh |
posted 6/18/01 5:35 PM
hermes, I love chapter 23 of the book of Lies. Catch 22, 23 Skidoo. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of it any longer. If it's not an inconvenience, and seeing as it's short enough to post, do you have the time to post "Get Out?" If not I'll hunt it down, and post here later. |
| Klyfh |
posted 6/18/01 5:41 PM
nevermind, found it. http://www.infomagic.net/~gfranks/out.html |
| hermes |
posted 6/18/01 7:03 PM
do you think he got T yet ? |
| hermes |
posted 6/18/01 7:06 PM
i love chapter 69 of the Book of Pies. |
| rhythmage |
posted 6/18/01 7:29 PM
"so miss multiple personality, who do you side with" - hoor that's too funny. MPD and "sides" just don't mix. PS art reflects. It can reflect beauty, ugliness, society, even truth. The process of creative expression (reflection) could be argued as the closest experience to truth that us silly humans can experience but it's not necessarily truth itself. Of course I'm simplifying but wtf |
| Qlyf |
posted 6/18/01 8:57 PM
MMmmmmm yess, und now for Z purity test! Have you done it 69? Have you done it in the behind? http://www.suess.org/suess/suess.purity.html |
| Qlyf |
posted 6/18/01 8:59 PM
MMmmmmm yess, und now for Z purity test! Have you done it 69? Have you done it in the behind? http://www.seuss.org/seuss/seuss.purity.html |
| hermes |
posted 6/18/01 10:09 PM
the cat in the hat came back. do you like green eggs and ham ? (the link doesn't seem to work so i went with dr.suess) did anyone ever play the Gauntlet computer / arcade game ? did anyone ever see Run the Gauntlet on tv ? has anyone ever slapped someone's face with a Gauntlet as though to challenge them to a duel ? |
| Pahana |
posted 6/18/01 10:22 PM
The Chinese cannot help thinking the octave has 5 notes. |
| Qlyf |
posted 6/18/01 10:58 PM
The pentatonic scale is five notes. The Hindu tablas have sixty-four tones. The average we-stern scale has eight(including the octave), hence oct. The second link works. http://www.seuss.org/seuss/seuss.purity.html |
| Bozo |
posted 6/18/01 11:49 PM
They are playing a game. They are playing at not playing a game. If I show them I see they are, I shall break the rules and they will punish me. I must play their game, of not seeing I see the game. From.."Knots" by~R.D.Laing~ ---------- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/5214/laing.html ..And So It Goes.. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/19/01 1:13 AM
I guess that's why they call this "amazingforums". You guys are amazing! I love the links and it's good to see that humour still abounds. Gee, I feel so much better about having "multiple personalities"...(smile) (Uh...what if we don't have a number to the Suess quiz?) |
| Qlyf |
posted 6/19/01 1:37 AM
That might make you a virgin mother. Two more miracles and you're a saint. In less of course you did it with a dove with jhvh up above. Huh, huh, that'd be cool! Hey, doesn't jhvh look like it could be the root for jive? Mmm, dripping jizm, jazz, and jive... groove on down, groove on down the road. -The Wiz (Jiz, Jazz, Oz?) Maybe it's just me, but does everything cool resolve itself in sex juices? http://www.seuss.org/seuss/seuss.purity.html |
| hermes |
posted 6/19/01 5:41 PM
sanity is R.D. Laing. have you ever read Games People Play ? i forget the author, but it is truly excellent and rips apart all the words-that-bind-you-to-the-tunes-of-others. on the suess - let's say it's possible to learn the hard way, and i for one am in complete agreement with Linda Goodman's observations on the 'free love' which was expounded upon in novels like Stranger in a Strange Land. forget mixinmatosis ; mixin' their auras (hence personas) up was the alien-virus things entry in to fuck up clear-thinking in every way. that's how the 60s got aborted. who else still see's the high tide mark like Dr. Gonzo did ? night of the hunter. hey ! don't make me use my left hand (H8H8) when my right is LOVE. |
| Bozo(The lunatic formerly known as DW) |
posted 6/19/01 6:24 PM
..fine view on the .."60's aborted" take Hermes...I think the 60's "went south" in the 70's when folks started mis-trusting their own inherent good balancing mechanisms..and started looking outside for self-help...EST and all the other in your face BS from assertiveness training seminars and the like..which turned into a "lack of compassion..but feel good anyway "rationalization movement perfect stabilization for the 1980-2000 yrs. Now top that off with a dollop of 12-step programs pointed at natural areas of consiousness exploration and tantra..really take away one's ability for gnosis....These are the dark ages..the gaunlets are everywhere..! http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/ |
| Bozo(The lunatic formerly known as DW) |
posted 6/19/01 6:29 PM
That was supposed to be ............"The Gauntlets are everywhere ! " http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/ |
| hermes |
posted 6/19/01 7:06 PM
spot-on observations about EST - such thought police are regrettably still operative syphoning many true seekers who only want to meditate and learn with like-minds, into a hideous maze of belief-system implants and hive-mind control of the individual (like the new-age stuff which claims to be able to free you so long as you are willing to pretend about 99% of reality doesn't exist plus give them lots of money...(is it just me, or does anyone else KNOW that if you need to charge money for spiritual teachings then it means that you just aren't spiritual enough to be teaching ?) the days of loaves and fishies are well over. did they ever even begin ? i know what you mean about being forced to participate in games when you don't want to. you may know me - i incarnated as a man because women weren't allowed to do any decent influential jobs. i shouldn't have bothered - it feels like all i've done is give the scumbags who unbalanced the scales loads more toys with which to ruin things for everyone even moreso. i wish i had a magic lamp, so i could actually make some wishes. i can feel the thought police timebender mind rapists messing with me just because of what i've typed....there are so many fake-people about, no humanity, no empathy, nothing of this earth or world in them. the dark ages it is, and the sheeple think advanced technology means progress. machines get smarter, people get stupider. tick tock there go another 4,000,000 braincells. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/20/01 1:24 AM
I wish I had said that! Perfect, DW! ROFLMAO!!! http://www.sirbacon.org/makeout.htm |
| hermes (juxtaposed) |
posted 6/20/01 12:06 AM
that Gonzo link, it reminds me of my non-comprehension of the way some people regard certain atrocities - what's the difference between a skin lampshade and a leather jacket ? answer : none. there is no difference in the real world. the ecological chain is dependant on all levels of complexity as being equally important. humans are not better than cows ; hell - i drink milk, cows don't need me to survive - the grass would grow without humans. so how come some folk can't see that making stuff out of people is no different from making it out of a beast ? cockfighting ? preying mantis battles in bottles at Chinese smokey bars ? and divide and conquer in human affairs by the all-powerful hand. make 'em fight and bet on the outcome - does no one else see the fractal resonances going on ?! |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/20/01 12:35 AM
It's just humour, h. (smile) A satire, a parody. Klyph and DW help to keep it all balanced with the profound humour of the absurd. http://www.sirbacon.org/makeout.htm |
| hermes |
posted 6/20/01 1:04 PM
humour is a mere band-aid on a deep machete wound. if you live true you are always in joy, hence satire and so forth are not required. humour is only needed when things have gone badly wrong, which is why laughter and tears are so very close an emotion. mostly good comedians have suffered horribly in order to see what they see and bring it to others. this is not healthy, it's just a mechanism by which the soul copes with what it shouldn't have to cope with. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 6/20/01 1:26 PM
Nevertheless, humour and laughter are both psychologically and physiologically healthy. What better "coping" mechanisms? http://www.sirbacon.org/makeout.htm |
| hermes |
posted 6/20/01 1:38 PM
there's loads of better coping mechanisms. getting to the root of the imbalance for a start. avoiding stuff just means you're coming back again to another life in which the same old same old will repeat; i know these things because i get to choose, it's just that few people want to hear about this stuff or that they have decided already how things are and they just construct mental walls and belief systems to block any information getting through which contradicts their self-made prison. |
| cliff |
posted 6/20/01 5:48 PM
So let me see I'm following you humour a machete blow to the head we don't always live in joy a response to an imbalanced world true satire is not required comidians suffer horrorably in unhealthy cycles avoiding stuff'll 'cause it'll to come back 'round and bite me in the ass which is bad it's a wall surrounding my stuff like a personal prison and stuff I made my prison out of gummy-bears a coke float mote I'm gonna eat my way out through cute fluffy animal's I'm gonna dab in rainbow colors everybody's happy tell me I'm in denial I'm NOT a fucking nut!!! not intended to be funny in any way if you laugh your a sick pig dog you will be tried on the 4:00 version of moral court to recieve your prize you MUST jump up and down like a blue baboons ass chanting hairy fishnut, hairy fishnut in the presense of 10 ethiopian refugies your mother and your favorite jew Congradulations you're the proud winner of a years supply of pebbles and twigs(some taxation may apply)! Am I getting warm, or is that cold? I need a definitive answer, 500 words or more, in prose, otherwise, I think I'll have to ignore everything left unsaid in allusions. free beer on the morrow |
| cliff |
posted 6/20/01 5:59 PM
laugh cry or go away -Nanoa Kakasaki |
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