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| Author | Topic: Game Over? |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 2/1/01 5:30 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA No matter what you think of ol' JM - you gotta hand it to him - he's always pulling new wabbits out of his magic hat. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://incunabula.org.barnes.html |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 2/1/01 6:26 PM
[Posted at it.t.] Thursday, 01-Feb-01 12:25:18 Dear Marhsall, I'm off to talk to the show promoters that contacted me. Here's who they've decided to invite in order of appearance: Peter Lamborn Wilson Nick Herbert Joseph Matheny Marshall Barnes Peter Moon I'm going to suggest that they also invite Vallee and Chica Bruce. We'll see if they go for it. On another note, I'd like to say it's ben both a pleasure and a disappointment corresponding with you via email lately. A pleasure to be so entertained by your peculiar brand of reality and a disappointment to find out how much you truly DO NOT KNOW about the whole Ong's Hat scenario. You're not even up to snuff on the surface and circumstantial evidence of the origin of the documents, who works for who, and so forth. What am I to deduce from this? You've always been so adamant in sourcing other documents, why not these? So, I decided to use your own MO against you (fake email, etc.) Do you really think I haven't known your clumsy attempts to "mole" me in the past? Unfortunately for you Barnes, you're incapable harnessing your egomaniacal tendencies even when you're supposed to be undercover. Your email have shown me your real agendas, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Sorry, I was just curious to find out if someone could actually be that out of touch with their motivations or if you are a put on. Actually, both cases apply to you. The Private Investigator that I had tag you for the last 3 weeks coupled with your "transparent as cellophane" website, your ranting posts here, our email exchanges recently, and our past encounters (oh, wait...I'm not supposed to know that was you...oops!), your repeated avoidance of a dialogue that I've sent to you several times, through several people tells me all I need to know. Until Summer 1998, I didn't know who you were at all. Until very recently, I still didn't care. Then a few things popped up that pointed to your MO, so, knowing your ego couldn't sit still for it, I planted the "Disappearance of Marshall Barnes" document on my website to smoke you out. Look how well it worked. BTW, if you can't figure it out by reading it, that document in no way tries to use your name to validate our cause. Read it again or have someone read it to you. It IMPLICATES you as a PLW dupe or supporter, just like you are. Any further communication between us will not happen on the board. You'll have to butch up and email me mano e mano One more note: My lawyers and law enforcement have been notified and were monitoring and logging the attacks against my daughter. If they were from you or not, they used direct quotations from your website. I have my finger over the button now. If it happens again, I will push that button. Have fun selling your tinfoil helmets. GAME OVER. (as I said in August) -"weeble" Matheny http://incunabula.org.barnes.html |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 2/1/01 8:48 PM
Reposted from DP: Dantebot Re: Game Over? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes the game is over. Now the real work begins. All the players are going to be brought together in Berkeley. At the moment it looks like March. I would encourage you all to attend - and to make arrangements amongst yourselves for housing and hotel arrangements. Berkeley is but a hop north from Oakland (much cheaper) and Oakland is much nicer than it used to be - spillover from Silicon Valley. This will likely be the biggest event to date in this whole drama - and with all the different players (and Hopefully Barnes) all the inconsistencies and real histories should become very clear. plus - it's Berkeley and I would love to meet all of you and have a great PARTY! -p http://incunabula.org.barnes.html |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 2/7/01 5:03 PM
REPOST posted 1/7/01 1:53 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just received this. Everyone let me know their thoughts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally I had intended to produce a chapter titled Musee Mechanique which would provide a open, unedited, and unexpurgated platform for the various individuals out there who claim to have developed working devices using the Incunabula material as a blueprint. What I found upon contacting these people was that when pressed for examples, proof, schematics, or anything that could be verified all I received were answers like "it's coming" or "I only have loose theories". In one case I repeatedly extended a hand through several mutual acquaintances to one of the most outspoken of this lot, only to be rejected (albeit secondhand) rather rabidly. Having failed in communicating to this individual secondhand, I attempted to contact them directly, via email and was only met by silence. Interesting, considering how some of these same people were so vocal in their declarations earlier in the year that they had "working proof". I can only conclude from this that none of these folks have anything presentable at this time. Therefore I have decided to forego Musee altogether and get right to the meat of the matter. My final chapter in this series will be coming soon, and will be titled Game Over? To get an idea of why I chose that title I would recommend reading the materials below, as well as the original Ong's Hat material. I think you will be very surprised at the weird look at what's been going on the last 10 years "behind the scenes" and you may even be shocked at some of the character profiles, bizzare behavior, and strange intentions that will emerge concerning the key players and a host of other "late comers" to the game. Yes, it is a game, but not in the way you may know a game. Those that understand game theory know that a true game has nothing to do with "playing around" but rather, has more to do with "subverting the predominant paradigm". You'll also see why I titled it Game Over? and not Game Over. I believe the game has only just begun and that several competing factors (as outlined in the original Incunabula Papers) have finally begun to re-emerge, just in time for the Dubya-zation of Amerikan politics. Meet the new boss...just like the old boss. Coincidence? I think not. Game Over? will be made available as a digital book via several of the distribution channels that I currently use, as well as being subsequently published as a "traditional" paper book with a established media outlet (currently in negotiation). I wanted to let you all know this since many of you have been asking about the availability of Musee. Until then... -jm http://www.incunabula.org/musee/ [This message has been edited on 01/07/2001] |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 2/7/01 5:29 PM
CULTURE JAMMING: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs by Mark Dery. Please check out this most informative and well written and researched article on Culture Jamming. http://www.essentialmedia.com/Shop/Dery.html |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 2/7/01 6:06 PM
WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL bibliography of visionary, occult, new age, fringe science, strange and even crackpot works published between 1945 and 1988. You'll recognize quite a lot of the names of the folks being discussed as related to Esalen, cyberculture and counterculture, Incunabula and Ong's Hat. Particularly check out: The Quixotic Dialectical Metaphysical Manifesto: Morning of the Magicians. One can now see how many of these works (like "Morning of the Magicians") laid the groundwork for fringe writings and RAW's Illuminatus Trilogy and other works, including the fictional works in the Incunabula catalogue. http://www.cafes.net/ditch/Elsewhere.htm |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 2/7/01 6:15 PM
Curriculum for Cybernetics and Systems Theory Please check out this article from the early 1990's, originally on (1) the WELL; and (2)prepared for a course in "Understanding Whole Systems" at the University of California at Santa Cruz. The author notes that "This book set came out of the chaos group at UC Santa Cruz that formed the year after I left." Also read the references to neuro-linguistic programming research being conducted at UCSC. "A linguist and a computer programmer analyzed the work of several incredibly effective hypnotherapists who could cure life-long neuroses in a few minutes, and converted their (mostly unconscious) techniques into a rigorous set of instructions for behavior change: Neuro-Linguistsic Programming (NLP). I studied briefly under these guys at UCSC, where they managed to anger Bateson royally, and though I couldn't bear them in person either (because of their endless arrogance and amorality)" http://www.well.com/user/abs/curriculum.html |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 2/7/01 6:50 PM
FUTURE CULTURE FAQ Informative bibliography and source of info on cyberculture and counterculture originally compiled in 1993: ::::: * Part 1 intro futureculture list info quotes contents cultural literacy magazines (hardcopy) electronic zines and digests electronic-essays ::::: * Part 2 usenet newsgroups who's who of the net internet bbses and services irc channels muds bbses books ::::: * Part 3 videos music drugs software companies/merchandise closing Note the following authors listed in the "Books" sections (i.e, a cyber punker's biblio-manifesto) Abraham, Bateson, Bey, Bob Black, Burroughs, Crowley, Delgado, Derrida, Dick, Ecco, Eisner, Gibson, Gleik, Gracie & Zarkov, Gyson, Brion and Terry Wilson, Nick Herbert, Hoffman, Home, Huxley, Hutchinson, Jacobson, Jahn and Dunne (PEAR), Leary, Lilly, Lovecock, McKenna, McLuhan, Mondo 2000, Re/Search, Rudy Rucker, Sarfatti, Sheldrake, Shulgins, Sirius, R.U. & Rudy Rucker, Bruce Sterling, Vallee, WELL, Bob Wilson http://www.cyberpunkproject.org/idb/future_culture_faq.html |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 2/7/01 7:36 PM
Shihabuddin Yahya Suhrawardi (1153/5-1191) "The Master of Oriental Theosophy" http://www.kheper.auz.com/topics/Islamic_esotericism/Ishraqism/Suhrawardi.htm |
| Klyph |
posted 2/8/01 6:43 PM
This is all very interesting. Thank you Harla for your help in compiling this info. This link has some VERY interesting stuff. Enjoy & salaams, ~Klyph~ http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/staley.htm |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 2/8/01 7:26 PM
Wonderful link on mystics and magick, Klyph. Thanks. I reposted the Chaos and Maat Magick link below. I particularly identified with these two excerpts: Belief must be emptied of content to be an effective Magickal tool, however. One must believe intensely and passionately in the godform one is invoking, for instance, or the transformation of the Magickian into the god will not occur. It is necessary to be able to return to your usual self after the ritual, without that god residing permanently in your belief, so that when you need to believe in something else on another occasion, you will have a clean, receptive tool available." "Maat Magick, like any valid 'system' of Initiation, self-destructs upon successful completion. It works itself out of a job. What does remain is a network of colleagues who share information about current protects and adventures, help each other out with leads for research and recommended reading, and occasionally congregate for ritual." Understandably, the initiatory path inherent in I&OH would necessarily operate the same way. I think we are seeing evidence of that. http://home.sunrise.ch/~prkoenig/nema13.htm [This message has been edited on 02/08/2001] |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 2/12/01 9:57 PM
GONE TO CROATAN This "announcement" has just been posted on the Incunabula site: Game Over? By Joseph Matheny "Meta-Machine" and "Living Book Experiment" data and conclusions to be released in final form as Game Over. Final edition coming later in 2001. For ongoing discussions and archived research see Dark Planet. Game Over? will be made available as a digital book via several of the distribution channels that I currently use, as well as being subsequently published as a "traditional" paper book. This will mark the end of my involvement with the subject of Ong's Hat and the Incunabula Papers. (emphasis mine) Announcements coming soon concerning the future of this site. Archive of the old site (HTML) here. www.incunabula.org/old.html http://www.incunabula.org/inc.html |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 3/1/01 3:05 AM
Matheny NEVER ceases to amaze me:... [Reprinted WITHOUT PERMISSION - I'll be in hotwater for THIS!] This just came in. I think everyone that cares about the truth behind the PX, Montauk, the Incunabula, and all the rest, should pass this on. The more people that know what's happening, the less damage attacks like this will have. We have so few people that are trying to bring out the truth, we can't afford to lose any more. "Parallel worlds are real...so are all the imaginary people in my head" -Marhsall Barnes Subject: World Hoaxed By Marshall Barnes For Immediate Release: Cleared for reproduction in all media February 1st, 2001 World Hoaxed BY Marshall Barnes "Culture Jammer" Now Attacks Former Guest For Trying To Reveal The Truth by Jon Hudson When Mike Siegel presented the leader of a research institute studying the remaining documents of a group of scientists who had discovered trans-dimensional travel, it didn't sound too different from the standard fair presented on Coast To Coast AM, the #1 late night talk show made famous by its former, and now returning host Art Bell. But to at least one listener in the audience of millions, this was something different. That listener was Marshall Barnes, a past Coast To Coast AM guest on several occasions for his work in investigating the Philadelphia Experiment, among other things. The subject of that nights program was one well known to him because like Gulam in the Lord of the Rings, had a weird attitude that it was his "precious". And the guest was one known to Barnes as well, a man he had hated for using the material in an empowered manner, making Barnes feel even more of the passive-aggressive, impotence that has plagued him for years and caused him to be an ineffectual sociopath. That man was Joseph Matheny. As it turns out Joseph Matheny has a long track record of achieving his goals and living a fully empowered life. A simple check of his name on the Internet reveals that along with his work as a computer specialist and his firm "iMMERSION", he is a documented figure involved in a variety of art and cutting edge literary endeavors as well as being a respected member of the emerging DVD industry. Links like http://joseph.matheny.com and http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/cgi-bin/itm_article.pl?336 tell the story. What Barnes knew was that Matheny was using the Incunabula catalog, a collection of book, article and unpublished research paper titles, having to do with the "science" of trans-dimensional travel and those researching it; and the "Ong's Hat" brochure, an alleged account of one group of researchers who had traveled to other dimensions, to discover the real agenda behind the shadowy figures who originally perpetrated it upon the world. Far from researching the documents, as he claimed on several times, Barnes never believed a word of them since he has long been a dupe for Peter Lamborn Wilson and instead, was trying find out how many people could be fooled into believing his wild claims so as to sell his so called technology and also to gain blind followers to boost his already sagging ego. Barnes didn't have enough self control to really make this happen and so waited to hear what Matheny had to say. As the interview began, it was clear to Barnes that Matheny had achieved a heavy momentum with the material in the media and so decided to try and capitalize on that momentum. A startling example of why Barnes was alarmed by this appearance, for those who were able to catch it, was Matheny telling Siegel that one of the things he wanted to do was "track down" the Ong's Hat group that had traveled to parallel universes. About midway through the first hour, Siegel even asked, if there was a possibility that the material they were discussing was "a big scam", setting off alarm bells in Barnes head that his grandiose scheme for setting up a psychotronic helmet concession, using the Ong's Hat material as it's basis for "truth" was about to be vanquished and that his true Intel agenda was about to be exposed. Barnes and a number of his imaginery friends decided to create a web site that would slander Matheny and distort the truth about the Incunabula and Ong's Hat materials (which they want to use to convince the world to join their "personality cult"). A true site dedicated to publishing "facts" and "findings" would publish just that, but instead, Barnes took the low road, using vague promises of "research to be published soon" and "Official Press Releases" making even more vague and nebulous claims, all to draw the readers into a site that was nothing short of a hate site, with no new science or facts attached. Since the creation of the web site, Barnes has propagated personal attacks and lies, all traced back to a single IP block, indicating that the attacks are probably being written by one person. Since Barnes has a long and checkered history of scamming, hoaxing, and lying to people using multiple email addresses from free services, and has on numerous occasions tried to spoof Matheny to obtain "information" about the Ong's Hat material, it is clear that he is in a panic that his imaginary "right to the I/OH material" is about to be upset. This is yet another symptom of his multiple persoanilty disorder which is exacerbated by his Napoleonic and Messianic complexes. This kind of info war assault hasn't been seen since the infamous attacks and smears that were blamed for why Art Bell left the air waves initially. "I think this is a sign of the times we're in," Barnes commented. There are a number of people out there for whom lies and misleading people are a sign of power, of their own personal power. And they often lend themselves to do the tasks of others just for the chance to have more of that power. They can justify it anyway they want but when it's used to distort the truth, to destroy people's lives and hide and obfuscate information that the public wants to know, it's just plain wrong. I unfortunately am one of those people. If you let me frighten you, if you let me intimidate you, then youe lose the chance for a better world. I think the listeners of Coast To Coast AM want a better world, and that's why I'm not letting myself or anyone else, keep me from mutual self destruction by moving ahead with my twisted agenda". To that end, Barnes is finishing the creation of his web page that tries to slander Matheny as well as take credit for Matheny's breakthrough in dimensional breaching techniques that he announced in August of 2000. Barnes has decided to try and culture jam that announcement by claiming "I did that in 91, but I just never told anyone until December 2000." This is of course in keeping with the type of stunts that Barnes has condoned in the past, such as his friend Damon Zex's media disruption. http://www.damonzex.net/zexacrosstime.htm An announcement of its completion will follow. Pass this message along. Barnes has peeled off his wolf's clothing and has revealed that he will use any subterfuge to derail the work of Matheny. Even more important, you should all be aware that Matheny and gang offered to hold a convention on the west coast in March to give everyone, including Marshall Barnes a fair chance to air their own perspective on Ong's Hat/Incunabula. Barnes declined. http://www.www.incunabula.org/barnes.html |
| Matheny |
posted 3/1/01 7:04 PM
I don't mind that you reposted this, but qualify it please, since you were the one that clued me into the source that led to this . Progression of events: Actually, it was a re-write of something Barnes/Fred spammed over at the Art Bell site. See http://www.incunabula.org/AB.mht to which the repost is my whimsical rewrite. Then Fred replied: > >From: Fred Houpt > >You still don't get it do you? In the end, after > certain info comes out, > >you will look as foolish as can be. This I promise > you. If you only knew > >how foolish you'd stop now. I'll just wait for you > and your sock puppet, > >Dante, to make further fools of yourselves. It > won't be a matter of you > >falling on your sword but more like a moment of > great embarresment as you > >will appear like a don quixote blowing bubbles. I > think that Goerman > >should reserve a side bar in history to make room > for your contribution, > >puny as it is. You had a chance to make the grade > and you blew it, just > >like Goerman. > > > >Time will show you exactly what I'm talking about. > You will live to see it. To which I replied last night: > Sling mud. > Cry foul when some of it comes back on you. > Why don't you stop wasting other people's bandwidth, > get some testicular > fortitude and email me directly with your beefs? > Oh, that's right. You'd rather hide behind web > boards and fake email > addresses and slander people. Sometimes you can pick > the wrong person to > slander. > Maybe those particular people have 50 buckets of mud > to every one of yours > and will fling them in response to every one you > fling. > Maybe, just maybe, you can push those people far > enough to take radical, > swift, and merciless legal actions, as well as > holding you up to the world > exposing you as the frauds that you are. > Maybe, just maybe, those very people have the money, > time, media > connections, and strength of character to do it and > have only refrained > from taking those actions because they pity the > mentally ill and the > woefully misled. > Maybe, just maybe, that excuse won't wash much > longer. > However, such people will not hang around here and > wait for an answer, > because if anyone has any real cahones, they'll take > it up directly with > the people they have a beef with. That is, if their > knees don't quake, and > their voice crack, and their stomachs flip-flop at > the very thought of > direct confrontation with those that they accuse. > It's easy to hide behind the wall of anonymity that > the Internet provides > and fling baseless accusations however it CAN get > costly. It's already cost > two groups a WAD of money out of court. > Wanna be next? I noticed this morning that he pulled the original post (including my and his responses) so I've requested the same of my rewrite on the AB board. I never fire the first shot and I do not want a protracted war. However, I'm not Vallee or Goerman, I'm not going to sit by passively and let Marshall smear me or my work. a simple and dispassionate statement of fact. He slanders, I sue and unleash this nice fat dossier me, my PI, and my hacker buds built as ammo. He shuts up, I forget about him. Simple. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 3/1/01 8:27 PM
[In all fairness, JM is quite correct. The following is the post from Fred Houpt of it.t fame (and infamy) posted on the Art Bell Message Board.] RE: Coast To Coast Hoaxed By Joe Matheny Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:46:52 -0500 For Immediate Release: Cleared for reproduction in all media February 1st, 2001 COAST TO COAST AM HOAXED BY JOE MATHENY "Culture Jammer" Now Attacks Former Guest For Trying To Reveal The Truth by Jack Hudson When Mike Siegel presented the leader of a so-called research institute studying the remaining documents of a group of scientists who had discovered transdimensional travel, it didn't sound too different from the standard fair presented on Coast To Coast AM, the #1 late night talk show made famous by its former, and now returning host Art Bell. But to at least one listener in the audience of millions, this was something different. That listener was Marshall Barnes, a past Coast To Coast AM guest on several occasions for his work in investigating the Philadelphia Experiment, among other things. The subject of that nights program was one well known to him because he had studied it himself since 1992. And the guest was one known to Barnes as well, a man he had suspected of using the material to hoax and mislead people. That man was Joseph Matheny. As it turns out Joseph Matheny has a long track record as a so-called "culture jammer". A simple check of his name on the internet reveals that along with his work as a computer specialist and his firm "Immersion", he is a documented figure involved in a variety of hoaxes and scams. Links like http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1799/interview1.html , http://www.srl.org/information/SRLInfApr95.txt , and http://www.metroactive.com/cyber/jamming.html tell the story. What Barnes knew was that Matheny was using the Incunabula catalog, a collection of book, article and unpublished research paper titles, having to do with the "science" of transdimensional travel and those researching it; and the "Ong's Hat" brochure, an alleged account of one group of researchers who had traveled to other dimensions, as a hoax. Far from researching the documents, as he claimed on Coast To Coast AM, Matheny never believed a word of them and instead, was trying find out how many people could be fooled into believing his new stunt. Barnes didn't have enough proof to really make this assertion and so waited to hear what Matheny had to say. As the interview began, it was clear to Barnes that Matheny was ill prepared and as it progressed, Matheny began making a number of mistakes and self contradictions. One of the biggest was Matheny's assertion that Wali Fard, one of the original founders of the religion that came to be known as the Nation of Islam, was one of the founders of the Ong's Hat scientific group. Fard's initial role was supposed to have been that of purchasing 200 acres of land in the Pine Barrens area of New Jersey in 1978. However, Matheny claimed also claimed that this purchase was made the same year that Fard "disappeared" from Chicago and was never heard from again. The only problem with this tale is that Fard disappeared, by all known accounts, from Chicago sometime around 1934, years before there was any purchase of land in the Pine Barrens. Another shocking example, for those who were able to catch it, was Matheny telling Siegel that one of the things he wanted to do was "track down" the Ong's Hat group that had traveled to parallel universe. Within minutes a caller phoned in and asked Matheny what he would have to say to these people if they were listening to the show. Matheny responded by saying, "I would say that...I'm not trying to track them down", totally contradicting his comments only moments before. About midway through the first hour, Siegel even asked, if there was a possibility that the material they were discussing was "a big scam", one indication that maybe Siegel was having doubts about Matheny's performance. In all, within the first hour and a half, Barnes counted at least 20 contradictions, misleading statements, and outright lies stated by Matheny. Barnes and a number of his friends decided to create a web site that would reveal the truth about the Incunabula and Ong's Hat materials (which they believe have some scientific validity but were deliberately "fudged" to hide verification of all but certain key facts) and to expose Matheny's hoaxing of it. Since the creation of the web site, Barnes has been the subject of personal attacks and lies, all traced back to Matheny's allies. The latest being Matheny's purchasing every version of the name "Marshall Barnes" as a web site name and trying to implicate Barnes as part of his scam. This kind of info war assault hasn't been seen since the infamous attacks and smears that were blamed for why Art Bell left the air waves initially. "I think this is a sign of the times we're in," Barnes commented. There are a number of people out there for whom lies and misleading people are a sign of power, of their own personal power. And they often lend themselves to do the tasks of others just for the chance to have more of that power. They can justify it anyway they want but in the end, when it's used to distort the truth, to destroy people's lives and hide and obfuscate information that the public wants to know, I think there's only one word for it. That word is evil. If we let evil frighten us, if we let evil intimidate us, then we lose the chance for a better world. I think the listeners of Coast To Coast AM want a better world, like most of us do, and that's why I'm not letting Joseph Matheny or anyone else, keep me from telling the truth". To that end, Barnes is finishing the creation of his web page that proves just how Matheny lied to Siegel and the Coast To Coast audience, despite Matheny's latest malicious tactics. An announcement of its completion will follow. &&&&&&&&Pass this message along. Methany has peeled off his wolf's clothing and has revealed that he will use any subterfuge to derail the work of Barnes. Methany has hoaxed this web site and he will try to do so again. Even more important, you should all be aware that Methany and gang are planning to hold a convention somewhere on the west coast in March to flout their own perspective on Ong's Hat/Incunabula. If you want to see liars and cultural jammers up close, then you know where to be. I'll follow the trail blazer. I'll follow Barnes! fred http://www.www.incunabula.org |
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