|
|
|
|
| Author | Topic: Fiction Suits and Living Books |
| Tlon |
posted 3/15/01 8:38 PM
Here are a series of quotations I�ve compiled regarding Grant Morrison�s "Fiction Suit" in THE INVISIBLES, as well as some of my own takes. All bolding for emphasis is my own.
|
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 3/15/01 8:45 PM
WELL DONE!!! "Not ALL of our fictions are becoming realities, only those memetically-engineered to do so by experts like myself and Snoop Dogg." Grant Morrison http://www.incunabula.org |
| Tlon |
posted 3/15/01 8:49 PM
What�s strange about all of this for me, personally, is that I�ve been "playing around" with some of the same concepts for the last year or so, only my playing has been totally disjointed; I didn�t really have any idea of how to put it all together.
|
| MITHRAS |
posted 3/16/01 2:09 AM
Forgive me if I sound ignorant. I'm a newbie to these concepts. I Think I understand the concept of a "MEMETICALLY ENGINEERED" reality, and I can see how Morrison and Matheny seem to be applying the same concepts. However, it seems to me that this "experiment" or whatever has already been done countless times. Only we've called them Religion, Mythology, and to some extent Revisionist History. These are all megamemes that seem to take on a life of there own, but failed to attain the "Reality" sought by GM & JM.(I won't argue the validity of religious writings. That's for another forum.) If I'm off the mark, let me know how. |
| M. Nasruddin |
posted 3/17/01 9:08 PM
www.humanities.uci.edu/mposter/syllabi/ readings/ryan.html "By overtly recognizing the constructed, imaginary nature of the textual world, metafiction reclaims our "native reality" as ontological center and reverts to the status of nonfictional discourse about non-actual possible worlds. In order to enhance participation in, or at least awareness of the creative process, the metafictional gesture thus blocks participation in the fictional world." "But the reader's interest is difficult to maintain in the absence of make-believe. The most efficient strategy for promoting an awareness of the mechanisms of fictionality is not to block access to the fictional world, but to engage the reader in a game of in and out: now the text builds up the illusion of an extratextual referent; now it claims "this world is mere fiction". Shuttled back and forth between ontological levels, the reader comes to appreciate the layered structure of fictional communication, a layered structure through which he is both (in make-believe) narratorial audience in the fictional world, and authorial audience in the real world." "The fictional world may be eventually de-mystified as a textual construct, yet the text succeeds in creating an immersive experience." "But if immersion alternates with an "interactive" stance toward the fictional world and the plural ontological levels embedded in the textual universe, the two experiences cannot occur at the same time. They imply mutually exclusive perspectives on the reference world." www.levity.com/figment/lovecraft.html "In 'Foucault's Pendulum', Umberto Eco suggests that esoteric truth is perhaps nothing more than a semiotic conspiracy theory born of an endlessly rehashed and self-referential literature--the intertextual fabric Lovecraft understood so well." "But as chaos magicians remind us, magic is nothing more than subjective experience interacting with an internally consistent matrix of signs and affects. In the absence of orthodoxy, all we have is the dynamic tantra of text and perception of reading and dream. These days the Great Work may be nothing more or less than this "ingenius game", fabricating itself without closure or rest, weaving itself out of the resplendent void where Azathoth writhes on his Mandelbrot throne." Not that I'm implying anything of course! |
| M. Nasruddin |
posted 3/17/01 9:54 PM
Also see: www.schools.ash.org.au/litweb/ilana.html "Hyperfiction develops from a twentieth-century tradition of experimental literature. Dadaism, for example, aimed at destroying the structures of established art and literature, and "in that breakdown the Dadaists worked in the same spirit as writers now work in the electronic medium." (Bolter, 1991,p.131) |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 3/18/01 4:18 AM
Keep on breaking it down, my friend. Well, well done! http://www.incunabula.org |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 3/18/01 5:42 AM
Le Grand Jeu or a glass bead...? and more... "To reach the summit, one must proceed from encampment to encampment. But before setting out for the next refuge, one must prepare those coming after to occupy the place one is leaving. Only after having prepared them can one go on up. That is why, before setting out for a new refuge, we had to go back down in order to pass our Knowledge on to other Seekers." http://www.incunabula.org |
| MITHRAS |
posted 3/18/01 7:19 AM
Thanks for the response. You've given me quite a wad of info to digest. I'll check out the links and do some exploring of my own and get back to you. I must admit its an interesting concept that I have never considered before. Sometimes I feel so un-hip. |
| dr wu |
posted 3/18/01 4:59 PM
Das Glasperlenspiel.....a philosophical utopia...? "The Romans had their entrails. Medieval monks had their scriptures. We have our computers. Every age lives and dies by it's sacred 'totems'. So why shouldn't we have ours?" Mr. "Jones" from La Femme Nikita, tv show |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 3/20/01 3:19 AM
Dante's Purgatory - Yeats' Meru - Das Glasperlenspiel - Daumal's Mt. Analogue - Ong's Hat - ??? ...follow the bouncing ball... Anyone want to discuss William James? Warm regards, Harla http://williamjames.com/ |
| shader (craig) |
posted 3/22/01 6:23 PM
...i would just like to say to your long drawn out answer to my little flack out on DaMte'is that what a lot of hot air, but that you past the test but you failed the event, so sorry, no blame! at any event, everybody else is fine and you have my hat off, but Damte' is why i sad and insuferable concieted snob, no matter how you cut the blueshit it is still blueshit... a little honest anger has nothing to do with your reptile theories... and Frank Zappa would concur so would Captain beafheart!!! so would would any self respecting dadaist...aka... surrealist so please do not fail again to pass the event, by tring to stuff a whole lot of your nonsense theory, to a simple oversimulated way of saying that sometimes people are insuffearble snobs... Damte' defending his yuppie ( someone that is a arrogant materalistic phony person...has no style...is not flowing but is forced...takes themselves too seriously, thinks they are too important ect. fuck that! muck that! there comes a time when you got to toss out all the convoluted imformation, and just be yourself! all the quantum theory in the world notwithstanding, all the conspiracy theory ect...whatever, sometime you just got to just chuck it all, and be real, and my oversimulated anger would not have cought you unaware, you would have taken it in stride, just like i have been doing it all along, its me!!! but you can't see!...you be blinded by the blueshit!...by the storm of over serious taking the info for the map, taken the map fo the sho!!! no go!...toot toot jyp jazz!!! shader the word be, free...Tao shmao, IAO PAN kao kao kaos, revolution of the word, word within word, speaking from that source, shadow along the wall of shadow flame of the heart, sometime blaze up! like a ball of fury, no wonder, no name, no shame!!! just freedom cry out of the infatibulam.. self importance only gets in the way!!! so for the last time...die yuppie scum!!!...a quant expression that no longer has any meaning...but to me! snif!!! |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 3/22/01 8:45 PM
As to "reptile theories", I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't espouse any reptile theories - at least not publically. |
| Parsifal |
posted 3/23/01 2:27 AM
http://www.cyberanalysis.com/ |
|
Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 3/23/01 2:38 AM
ROFLMAO!!!! (Nice to see ya, Parcifal) |
|
|