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Tlon posted 3/15/01 8:38 PM    
Here are a series of quotations I�ve compiled regarding Grant Morrison�s "Fiction Suit" in THE INVISIBLES, as well as some of my own takes. All bolding for emphasis is my own.


The first quote is taken from The Bomb, the "unofficial official" web site for THE INVISIBLES:




"o [page 20] [panel 1] Anyone got the inside scoop on the Millennium Dome for us yanks? (and how the words "fiction suit" might apply?) [TW] SPOILER ON FICTION SUIT: According to Grant in the salisbury book, a 'fiction suit' is how he (Grant) plans on changing places with King Mob in the Invisibles. Literally. He describes it as "a technology". GM goes into the comic, KM comes out into our world. [Devil Music USA] � I think the reference to "Fiction Suit" reflects Helga's attempts to decode the meta-language and is probably a reference to one of the discussions between King Mob and Cell 23. [TEC]"



Interesting parallels with what Joseph (and possibly the original author or authors) has done with the Incunabula material. Fact and fiction are combined in creating a character (or an entire hypernarrative), who is then projected out into the physical world via method acting, magick, memetics etc. If everything goes correctly, the character manifests as a "real" person (or the hypernarrative begins to manifest/write itself onto the physical plane/consensus reality).


This next quote is taken from http://www.grantmorrison.com; it is a letter written by a fan, who has had a series of dreams regarding Grant. The first dream, interestingly enough, involved ingesting a white powder, shades of ORMES, there. Here is the second dream:




"The second dream happened in November. Before going to bed I had been browsing through your web site. In the dream I was first shown what I would best describe as your "astral imagination". This is where all your creations are stored. The interesting thing about it was not only did you access it, but it was where all your fans went if they wanted to interact with your creations. I didn't go in there myself, but saw it from a distance. Then I was shown you. I was shown you as you started, and what you have made yourself into. Now, that's a neat trick Grant, if this is indeed what happened. It was like you had an idea of what you wanted to become (famous, successful, etc.), and you swapped yourself into this ideal self. So, basically, your old self was no longer your true self. This is a bit difficult to explain, but I know what I mean. The thing I'm getting at here is that your "old" self is now the cartoon, and your new self is the real one. It seems like a good magical self-defence trick as well. If anyone tracked back to you, they would think they were getting to the essence of Grant, but now it is the cartoon "you". It was indicated to me that this was highly unusual. Most people only wear fictionsuits, you have become yours. Or at least that's what I was shown."



Here is Grant�s reply:




"Fascinating. Your second dream's analysis of my preferred method for slithering through the mediasphere is spot on. Welcome to my head."



Here is a quote from the same page, Grant�s reply to another letter; in it, he testifies to the autobiographical nature of the comic. This mirrors JM�s method of actually interviewing the characters/people involved with Incunabula, and also his method of creating a comic of events that have transpired around him. This sort of process may help to "ground" the hypernarrative.




"THE INVISIBLES has an indecently high percentage of diary detail woven through its sci-fi spypunk storyline...which may or may not make it post-modern in approach. I'm not sure. I prefer to see it simply as my record of my passage through the years 1994-2000 processed down onto paper in the service of the relentless monthly deadlines of my chosen format: so when King Mob's at a wayang show in Jogjakarta talking to a cool operator called Agus it's because I've just been at a wayang show with an operator called Agus. When Jack and Fanny are visiting the Power Exchange in San Francisco, it's because I've just been there. When the Invisibles are struggling against crawling insectile infection from the Outer Church, I'm dying in hospital with septicaemia, clutching a pen. The magical rituals to summon John Lennon and the scorpion loa are from my diaries just like the tantric sex and the trip on the mesa and the changing styles of clothes etc. The martial arts styles, yoga positions and meditation methods were based on whatever I was doing at the time. The descriptions of 'alien abductions' are from experience. People I met became characters or fused into characters after I met them or vice versa. When the third volume gets heavy with text and theory it's because I'm celibate and buried in books, waiting for the goddamn eclipse and the year and the gestation process to end. Only the large scale acts of terrorism in THE INVISIBLES are fictionalised, the rest is memory and story and spell. Oooh sounds almost Gaimanesque doesn't it ? I shall my next book of faerie poems 'Memorye, Storye and Spelle' . Post modern, Post-now, post-ism...
It's an experimental miniature universe, a holographic alembic containing the mad experiments in magic, sickness, drug abuse, genderflexing hedonism, martial arts and travel of the 90s. I don't think it fits completely into any current categories but there are as many ways to read the story as there are readers, Risa. At its root THE INVISIBLES is a highly-charged dynamic sigil. The first of its kind to be tested, THE INVISIBLES is to the sigil concept what the Manhattan Experiment was to the bullet and unless deactivated it will expand and destroy consensus reality."



Well, that about covers that. I see Metheny�s work, and the Incunabula in general, in somewhat the same light. In passing, this sigil system is a mainstay of chaos magick.


The following quote mentions Grant�s current writing style, which dovetails into the Incunabula�s current structure as a catalog and series of interviews.





"What you're seeing in my work currently is an attempt to assemble and play with a 'non-literary' democratic prose form based on mutated ad jingles, e-mail styles, net porn stories, corporate speak, electronic equipment manuals etc. 'Literary' prose (the type of writing Dennis Potter scathingly summed up as 'descriptions of the sky') would contaminate my intent I think."



This is also from a letter written by a fan; it, along with Grant�s reply, illustrate the same strangeness people seem to get around the Incunabula.




"was taping one of the panels (DeAnne Dewitt, Jackie Estrada, Greg Beetam & Michael Cohen) and started to ask the question, "Grant Morrison claims that our fictions are becoming our realities. Do you think he's on to something or simply, as Warren Ellis reminds us, that Grant is on drugs?".


My batteries began to die just as I began to ask the question and as they wound down, all it got (sounding not unlike Alvin Chipmunk) was "GrantMorrisonclaimsthat". Soon, I changed the batteries and realized that they had ALL died. Every last stinking one of them. They'd all been charged for the event, and were all working before that. Interesting...I can't seem to remember exactly what the pros said in reply to the question I asked them.


Curiouser every second, yes?"



Grant�s reply:




"Probably more than a third of all interviews people have taped with me, never come out. And the truth is that I'm NOT on drugs an awful lot more of the time than I AM on drugs. Or is it?
Not ALL of our fictions are becoming realities, only those memetically-engineered to do so by experts like myself and Snoop Dogg."



The following quote by Grant reinforces the idea of a conscious switch in identities, and then goes on to connect the "fiction suit" with games:




"Ahh, Morrissey. Everyone knows me as the 21st century's sexadelic hell god of narcotic comics (errr.. don't they ?...) and very few now remember the days when I was posing as the medium's wilting, hypochondriac teetotaller, practically wed, fainting during interviews, hanging on a chicken wire cross in the NME, half-naked but for a loincloth, a leather jacket and Kylie stickers all over my flayed white ribs. "Can I just say Grant Morrison is a wanker ?" wrote one cruel reader. Worse, the editorial reply was "If you like."
Ah, those fiction suits (that's the new buzz word among all the young folk, isn't it ? Fiction suits. You have to keep up in this game...)"



Finally, in Grant Morrison�s "Magick for Mutants" column on his web site, he professes to delve into the experimentation behind the writing of THE INVISIBLES. So far, he has explained the basics of magick, especially sigil magick; there are, however, a few tantalizing clues as to future columns:




"The sigil is the first and one of the most effective weapons in the arsenal of any modern magician. In upcoming chapters we1ll explore new developments of the basic sigil concept: learn the science behind corporate hunter-killer sigils like the McDonald's 'M', and how to create incredibly powerful unfolding narrative hypersigils like THE INVISIBLES comic book."




http://www.grantmorrison.com

Harla Quinn
(Moderator)
posted 3/15/01 8:45 PM    
WELL DONE!!!


"Not ALL of our fictions are becoming realities, only those memetically-engineered to do so by experts like myself and Snoop Dogg."
Grant Morrison




http://www.incunabula.org
Tlon posted 3/15/01 8:49 PM    
What�s strange about all of this for me, personally, is that I�ve been "playing around" with some of the same concepts for the last year or so, only my playing has been totally disjointed; I didn�t really have any idea of how to put it all together.


My notebooks are filled with two basic ideas, "Materializing the Fantastic", and a role-playing game whose basic premise was that reality isn�t physical, or metaphysical, but metafictional. While I had plenty of detail on how to structure the game, I was mostly lost about how to materialize the fantastic in my life, and the lives of those around me; I hadn�t made the connection that these two ideas could be one. J


I look forward to seeing how things develop�


BJ



http://www.grantmorrison.com

MITHRAS posted 3/16/01 2:09 AM    
Forgive me if I sound ignorant. I'm a newbie to these concepts. I Think I understand the concept of a "MEMETICALLY ENGINEERED" reality, and I can see how Morrison and Matheny seem to be applying the same concepts. However, it seems to me that this "experiment" or whatever has already been done countless times. Only we've called them Religion, Mythology, and to some extent Revisionist History. These are all megamemes that seem to take on a life of there own, but failed to attain the "Reality" sought by GM & JM.(I won't argue the validity of religious writings. That's for another forum.) If I'm off the mark, let me know how.
M. Nasruddin posted 3/17/01 9:08 PM    
www.humanities.uci.edu/mposter/syllabi/
readings/ryan.html
"By overtly recognizing the constructed, imaginary nature of the textual world, metafiction reclaims our "native reality" as ontological center and reverts to the status of nonfictional discourse about non-actual possible worlds. In order to enhance participation in, or at least awareness of the creative process, the metafictional gesture thus blocks participation in the fictional world."
"But the reader's interest is difficult to maintain in the absence of make-believe. The most efficient strategy for promoting an awareness of the mechanisms of fictionality is not to block access to the fictional world, but to engage the reader in a game of in and out: now the text builds up the illusion of an extratextual referent; now it claims "this world is mere fiction". Shuttled back and forth between ontological levels, the reader comes to appreciate the layered structure of fictional communication, a layered structure through which he is both (in make-believe) narratorial audience in the fictional world, and authorial audience in the real world."
"The fictional world may be eventually de-mystified as a textual construct, yet the text succeeds in creating an immersive experience."
"But if immersion alternates with an "interactive" stance toward the fictional world and the plural ontological levels embedded in the textual universe, the two experiences cannot occur at the same time. They imply mutually exclusive perspectives on the reference world."
www.levity.com/figment/lovecraft.html
"In 'Foucault's Pendulum', Umberto Eco suggests that esoteric truth is perhaps nothing more than a semiotic conspiracy theory born of an endlessly rehashed and self-referential literature--the intertextual fabric Lovecraft understood so well."
"But as chaos magicians remind us, magic is nothing more than subjective experience interacting with an internally consistent matrix of signs and affects. In the absence of orthodoxy, all we have is the dynamic tantra of text and perception of reading and dream. These days the Great Work may be nothing more or less than this "ingenius game", fabricating itself without closure or rest, weaving itself out of the resplendent void where Azathoth writhes on his Mandelbrot throne."
Not that I'm implying anything of course!
M. Nasruddin posted 3/17/01 9:54 PM    
Also see:
www.schools.ash.org.au/litweb/ilana.html
"Hyperfiction develops from a twentieth-century tradition of experimental literature. Dadaism, for example, aimed at destroying the structures of established art and literature, and "in that breakdown the Dadaists worked in the same spirit as writers now work in the electronic medium." (Bolter, 1991,p.131)
Harla Quinn
(Moderator)
posted 3/18/01 4:18 AM    
Keep on breaking it down, my friend. Well, well done!


http://www.incunabula.org
Harla Quinn
(Moderator)
posted 3/18/01 5:42 AM    
Le Grand Jeu


or


a glass bead...? and more...


"To reach the summit, one must proceed from encampment to encampment. But before setting out for the next refuge, one must prepare those coming after to occupy the place one is leaving. Only after having prepared them can one go on up. That is why, before setting out for a new refuge, we had to go back down in order to pass our Knowledge on to other Seekers."


http://www.incunabula.org
MITHRAS posted 3/18/01 7:19 AM    
Thanks for the response. You've given me quite a wad of info to digest. I'll check out the links and do some exploring of my own and get back to you. I must admit its an interesting concept that I have never considered before. Sometimes I feel so un-hip.
dr wu posted 3/18/01 4:59 PM    
Das Glasperlenspiel.....a philosophical utopia...?
"The Romans had their entrails. Medieval monks had their scriptures. We have our computers. Every age lives and dies by it's sacred 'totems'. So why shouldn't we have ours?"
Mr. "Jones"
from La Femme Nikita, tv show
Harla Quinn posted 3/20/01 3:19 AM    
Dante's Purgatory - Yeats' Meru - Das Glasperlenspiel - Daumal's Mt. Analogue - Ong's Hat - ???


...follow the bouncing ball...


Anyone want to discuss William James?
Warm regards,
Harla



http://williamjames.com/
shader (craig) posted 3/22/01 6:23 PM     Click here to send email to shader (craig)  
...i would just like to say to your long drawn out answer to my little flack out
on DaMte'is that what a lot of hot air,
but that you past the test but you failed the event, so sorry, no blame!
at any event, everybody else is fine and you have my hat off, but Damte' is why i sad and insuferable concieted snob,
no matter how you cut the blueshit
it is still blueshit...
a little honest anger has nothing to do with your reptile theories...
and Frank Zappa would concur
so would Captain beafheart!!!
so would would any self respecting dadaist...aka... surrealist
so please do not fail again
to pass the event, by tring to
stuff a whole lot of your nonsense theory, to a simple oversimulated
way of saying that sometimes people
are insuffearble snobs...
Damte' defending his yuppie ( someone
that is a arrogant materalistic phony
person...has no style...is not flowing
but is forced...takes themselves too seriously, thinks they are too important
ect. fuck that! muck that!
there comes a time when you got to toss
out all the convoluted imformation,
and just be yourself!
all the quantum theory in the world
notwithstanding, all the conspiracy theory ect...whatever, sometime you
just got to just chuck it all, and be
real, and my oversimulated anger would not have cought you unaware, you would have taken it in stride, just like i have been doing it all along, its me!!!
but you can't see!...you be blinded by the blueshit!...by the storm of over
serious taking the info for the map,
taken the map fo the sho!!!
no go!...toot toot jyp jazz!!! shader
the word be, free...Tao shmao, IAO PAN
kao kao kaos, revolution of the word,
word within word, speaking from that source, shadow along the wall of shadow
flame of the heart, sometime blaze up!
like a ball of fury, no wonder, no name,
no shame!!! just freedom cry out of the
infatibulam..
self importance only gets in the way!!!
so for the last time...die yuppie scum!!!...a quant expression that
no longer has any meaning...but to me!
snif!!!
Harla Quinn
(Moderator)
posted 3/22/01 8:45 PM    
As to "reptile theories", I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't espouse any reptile theories - at least not publically.
Parsifal posted 3/23/01 2:27 AM    
http://www.cyberanalysis.com/
Harla Quinn
(Moderator)
posted 3/23/01 2:38 AM    
ROFLMAO!!!!
(Nice to see ya, Parcifal)
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