******************************MetaPhysics on Bridge***************************
Session Start: Wed Sep 10 11:49:37 1996
** Now talking in #bridge

<GrayMind> Be careful when weilding the power of
certainty - it can be as slippery as wet soap.
<Cosmeta> and anyone who can ask the types of questions as
the one called wunjo already has the answers within.
<wunjo> YA but it would be nice:)
<Cosmeta> to know.. who you are...
<Cosmeta> you are of course, looking/thinking in terms of
reincarnation, are you not?
<Cosmeta> or on a search for your present life's purpose...
yes!
<GrayMind> Perhaps what we seek is not to be known... in the
same mannor, that is, that we "know" an analytic truth such
as 1+1=2
<wunjo> yes:)
<Cosmeta> no no no, 2+2=5
<Cosmeta> hi, HT
<HornToad> Hello, Ladynada...
<seeker>  GreyMind, if i may interrupt, that is scary
<GrayMind> Perhaps, what we seek can only be "understood" at
higher levels of consciousness - ?
<HornToad> Hi Cosmeta!
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<ladynada> hello there, alex ...
<Cosmeta> wat's up
<GrayMind> scary?  Very much so.
<Cosmeta> or down..
<alex> hi...finally a good day!!!
<wunjo> YES that is why I want a higher level of
consciousness
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<GrayMind> seeker, there have been centuries of philosophers
who have tried to overcome the "skeptics' argument" using
reason
<alex> hehehehehe....parents came for open house...started
swapping phone numbers to organize their campaign to the
downtown office!!!!!
<Cosmeta> what we each seek, is very often the very selfsame
thing that frightens us to death. and sometimes,
literally.
<GrayMind> another approach, of course, is to live and seek
with faith
<seeker> faith...too illusive in my experience
* GrayMind nods
<Cosmeta> live and seek with faith... i cannot live on faith
alone.. i need TO KNOW.
<wunjo> Well I am trying to just trust:)
<Cosmeta> to experience.
<alex> How can faith be allusive if its always there?
<wunjo> me too
<seeker> it has not always been there for me
<ladynada> nighty night all
* ladynada spins a few times...
<Cosmeta> and i have found, wunjo. at least for myself, that
if I know, then i then have the capacity to transfer it
onto others.
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<ladynada> hello there, Solitude ...
<wunjo> GOOD NIGHT SWEET DREAMS:)
<GrayMind> Yet, seeker, do not your fingers dance upon your
keyboard know?  You have faith that that keyboard is there,
that is exists, that there are other souls "out there" who
will be reading your thoughts upon there screens
<Cosmeta> to teach, for example. or to show....
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<Solitude> Goodmorning dear Lady
<seeker> is that actually faith
<alex> yes...it's always there...a belief that you will...
<GrayMind> seeker - yes
<Cosmeta> Graymind.. if i can interject a bit... my faith in
my keyboard if firm... and my faith in mirc only extends
to a TIME, and a day, well after mid-nite. hehehee
<alex> get up...breathe...exist for the moment...we take it
for granted til we really need it...
<GrayMind> It is a belief of yours - a belief you must take
to be true by means of faith, *because* all other methods
to approach it's *proof* can be called into question.
<GrayMind> Cosmeta -  *grin*
<GrayMind> Perception of the world is a tricky thing
<wunjo> no kidding:)
<Solitude> And Goodmorning to all other lightppl of
Bridge...=)
* Cosmeta I also believe that for the most part, you are all
spirits to me, for i can neither see nor reach out and
touch you. and so, in a manner of speaking, you do not
exist, until my mind allows it to be so. or until such time
as I allow my fingers to dance upon the keyboard...to put
it in Gray's words. ~smile.
<alex> It's sorta like the belief in Santa...you are
disappointed to find he's not a real person and then when
you get older you understand that it is the "spirit of
giving" that creates the belief in Santa...
<Cosmeta> hi Solitude. how are you?
<wunjo> Alex just got chills:)
<Cosmeta> oh, my Santa was always real. he was called,
mom&dad.
<GrayMind> Perceptions are uncertain - Mainly because we can
never (or can we?) get outside our perceptions, to test
their validity
<Solitude> Cosmeta: Hi...I`m fine, a little cold though so it
will take some time until I reach typingspeed
<seeker> so is it that it...until my mind allows it to be so,
Cosmeta
<Cosmeta> okay.. just sit back and enjoy the ride, Sol.
<Solitude> I will =)
<Cosmeta> did you ever hear of the expession, "out of sight,
out of mind" seeker...?
<seeker> yes
<Cosmeta> well, when my mind turns to my pc, or when i
suddenly find myself "thinking" of the place, all of a
sudden i can create it.
<Cosmeta> and walla, you are here
<seeker> i see
* Cosmeta it is magical. yes.
<GrayMind> We think we are sitting before our computers
conversing with others.  Why?  Because our senses are
delivering information to our minds which is being
reconstructed in the act of perception - OR IS IT?  Perhaps
a mad scientist is stimulating our brain(in some vat) in
the *PRECISE* mannor as to mimick the neural pattern which
would provide us with the same information- through which
our act of perception would deliver to us the belief that
we are indeed sitting before our computers, conversing with
each other
<Solitude> In a way I kind of imagine you all...paints up how
you look like and put us in strange places where we
talk...imagination is funny. How the mind wants to creake
somethink specific.
<Cosmeta> heavy, Gray... that is heavy
<wunjo> Well off to bed:) bye all it's been FUN IN JOY THE
LIGHT:)
<Solitude> sleep tight wunjo...
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* GrayMind grins ... Yes it is heavy. And there is *no* way
for us to get "outside" our senses to determine their
source
<GrayMind> Take care wunjo- good luck
<Cosmeta> oh.. but there is....
<Cosmeta> there is
* GrayMind grins and nods
<Cosmeta> u leaving, wunjo.. take care now. see ya
<seeker> :)
<wunjo> :)
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<GrayMind> Okay Cosmeta, *grinnin* take it away! How can we
escape the "Prison of the Intellect" ??
<Cosmeta> Thru the universal mind, gray.. thru the 'Mind'
<GrayMind> More specifically...?
<Cosmeta> by melding with the ALL THAT IS
<seeker> meditation?
<Cosmeta> by having a transcendental experience of the
divine.
<GrayMind> ... by altering our state of consciousness such
that our awareness extends beyond that of normal reasoning
<Cosmeta> not to escape the body, but to go beyond it into
another dimension
<GrayMind> *applause*!!!!
<Cosmeta> yes..
* GrayMind nods vehemently
<Cosmeta> has nothing to do with the "grey" matter of the
"human" mind. not at all.
<GrayMind> Well there, we've solved the problem which before
was so frightening
<Cosmeta> for the seeing and hearing, is *not* done with the
human mind at all.
<seeker> all thing is so fleeting:)
<Cosmeta> ah.. there is a reason to your madness. hehehehehe
* GrayMind winks
Session Close: Wed Sep 11 01:19:36 1996
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