**************************************************************************************** Session Start: Wed Nov 19 10:09:35 1997 *** Now talking in #TheWizardsWay *** WindRyder (mikeg@barracuda.nmt.edu) has joined #thewizardsway hi * Watcher casts a spell of peace and illumination upon WindRyder! Well met There is a reason for this meeting - I do feel that you have a message for me, or I for you hmmmm perhaps both could you tell me more about yourself It seems too random for it to be random.. so to speak Myself - of course that is where I feel things should head .... is for me to learn more about you I'm a sophomore at the University of Texas & in the school of business I haven't felt a passion for the classes I'm taking - they don't seem to fit with my direction in life - so, my grades have suffered Now, I'm going to be leaving the school & going to the community college until I know which degree will suit my purpose better that makes sense .... what about your spiritual path I don't feel any degree I earn will have much importance within my purpose herre in lofe, except more that an ealry validation - my spiritual path stretchs back very far i am also being moved to tell you a bit about myself I've always been & felt the age of my soul - when young I was the one who seems mature - - all my life I've felt that I have an important role to play in the changes comming Please do Let this be a two way street before we go on I am a senior at New Mexico Tech majoring in computer science and math my spiritual path is always in a constant state of flux and it is not uncommon for foundations to fall i am Wiccan, work with crystals I've read some about Wiccan practices & beliefs - I feel some affinity towards the beliefs - my spiritual path holds me close to Nature and various ethereal/psychic skills i've developed my main goal now is to be an "open channel" for the universe so that it may work together with me so the energy may get wherever it is meant to go free of my control ... that is what i feel i was meant to tell you about myself I found that what drew me to Wicca was Nature also the Sun, Stars, and Moon My beliefs are very fluid - they are gretly influenced by some of Deepak Chopra's books Namely - the Way of the Wizard I'm very drawn to the archetype of the wizard Always have been I am also drawn to the Wizard but never have been able to make any manifestation of it * WindRyder feels something really big is about to happen I was told that I had a poewrful spirit guide - and it was described as being like a wizard - this was told to me shortly after creating this channel do you know anything about a Sword? and what New Orleans and South America have to do with things (from lucid dreams) WindRyder - whatever events are comming - I've felt them comming ever since I was in preschool - I distinctly remember feelings when you said New Orleans & South America I immediately thought of the Voodoo Oracle deck - it's a variation of tarot add the Sword into the equation .... Sword in the stone ... it felt like I was going to be "given" a Sword on this day Suit of swords in the tarot hmmmm also in the New Orleans dream it was in an abandoned mall that these men took me and Iniitiated me into their fold white robed Abandoned mall could equall loss of materialism.. also in that dream people were on a drug that made them look like Bill Clinton, the world had just declared war and my grandmother was ill almost all true now the South America dream just occurred last night where someone wanted me to come with them to South America to meet someone .... once I started flying in that dream, I went lucid and I decided to end the dream before I got to south america maybe i made it after all but time meNs nothing in this dream i had to pay a hotel bill of over $30,000 This might give insight.. "Swords generally represent courage, boldness, force, strength, authorirt, agression and ambition. These cards indicate activity, progress and accomplishment for good or bad" they charged me for things which I did not even order and also gave me a $90 credit which I did not "Earn" Where was this hotel? I don't know except it was in a city Why did you not wish to go to South America? plus I had just gotten back from Hawaii they charged me for things which I did not even order and i had classes to attend to here\ i ended up going though and decided to wake myself up from the dream before i got there Had to keep your feet on the ground hmmmmm what does all of this mean now Dream suggesting that you should not be afraid to fly away from your classes, but still fear keeps you from learning whatever you should learn - or doing what you should do * GrayMind shrugs. hmmmm I did enjoy myself in Hawaii though .... that was where the hotel was it appears i also visited a native culture there on a remote island Did you feel at home with the natives, or like a visitor? I did enjoy myself in Hawaii though trying to remember felt like a visitor at first maybe after awhile, i felt like at home Possible past life? unknown what do New Orleans, Hawaii, and South America have in common and the Sword and Initiation all from lucid dreams referring to this day November 19, 1997 New Orleans I assiciate with voodoo & ghosts & superstition Similar to South America Idea of natives... Native rights r u logging? Initiatory rites btw I am logging good :) because a log of this will help when we're done .... true Initiatory rites may have a big role in this Big times comming beginning action my grandmother being ill and the world being on the verge of war are major markers that this stuff is meant to happen action sword The past few weeks my sense of time has been very peculiar explain ..... i have a decision to make btw i have class in 20 mins Sleeping habbits out of sync Will you go to class - or lfy to South America? hmmmm in the dream I ended up leaving for south america but woke myself up before getting there Did you feel comfortable with your choice to not go? here I have a fear of missing class .... i have not missed class yet ... yes and no yes that i would not miss class and be able to continue schoolwork but no that I missed a grand opportunity ... this makes it clear that I should miss class as we are meant to talk What do you want to do & become with your life? the dream is very clear on that GrayMind: ultimately work toghether with the Universe to help people "open channel" an open channel for the universe... to help people .... explain how your currend degree is leading you there? degree will be computer science and math I ask myself this very question often i will be going to graduate school for computer science my main goal at this point is to help the internet along ahah and get better chat interfaces than irc for example get more like people together I do see how that would help have even a cyber community what do you feel about what i should do about class ? I feel this connection should be explored Perhaps we both will be going through a rite of initiation very soon For times may call on us soon - though who's to say with time Of late - hours seem to pass in minutes - sometimes minutes seem to last hours the South America Dream = this meeting I am not certain if this is a changes I am going through or if I am subject outside energy paterns.. What is it about South America that is similar to this meeting? hmmmm i don't know When you think of South America - what images & feelings come to oyu? exotic primal (...native?...) magical! full of life Hawaii gives similar images ys yes Well - let us draw out the primal, magical, native aspects of this meeting hmmm magical ..... it was meant to happen and also all of the parallels with the dream the decision of whether to fly to south america corresponds with the choice whether to continue this convo or go to class Do you feel we need to come of with something that will translate into an action in our lives? Or to a different way of seeing things? Well- it already has for you.. i don't know .... let's see what about the big hotel bill? I have been missing all of my classes of late - as I mentioned earlier, this path in my life has come to an end - it will be a rather dramatic change from one to the next hotel bill - karma? yes ... my karmic debt was just cleared two nights ago through a major experience the debt was huge as i didn't know what i was doing This life is an important one - karma is evening out - with certain things .... I need to undergo ceremonial death seems to be part of this whole thing too oohhh boy Are you ready for the death/rebirth? it is something i must go through .... yes that would also correspond to the dreams date of today the New Orleans dream I'm near that stage, but I feel a duality within me.. had a strong air of death to it Part of me clings strongly to this life the satus quo & all hmmmm the ceremonial death is to proceed almost immediately i am sensing This corresponds to a very odd event I went through the other night so I'd better hang around here rather than class the word is that i will be able to go to my other clasxses today continue I had a very spiritual encouner Long story - but culminated in me laying out a tarot spread unlike I've ever done hmmmmm A story told to me from me crossing over .. Many actions I did that night - that I don't know what led me to do so I'm still trying to understand this layout of cards before monday night i would not have turned to the "open channel" approach before then I was trying to CONTROL magic now I am magic That is a step in the right direction This change corresponds to your paying a karmic debt? i am fairly sure of it * GrayMind nods. The layout I have seems almost to be a calender - or series of events hmmmm It begins with the fool, Page of Swords, 5 of Swords, death ... btw my decsiion point is here .... and i choose to stay here with the conversation My, my - the swords!! do you actually have a Sword? *** cloudkid (merkaba@129.15.72.68) has joined #thewizardsway * Watcher casts a spell of peace and illumination upon cloudkid! graymind! In this stage of the layout - where I am now, is in the stage of the swords =) ok continue Corresponds to your dream? Hello cloudkid Perhaps I will tell you of the layout.. the Swords do yes It consists of 2 cards from each suit arranged in a circle - with 1 card from the major arcana between each... however the dream referred to me receiving something the sword Receiving the sword may mean receiving something from this conversation ok Or do you feel it will be a physical ? not sure most likely symbolic the New Orleans dream was big i repeat that most people were on a really addictive drug called "bill clinton" hmmm The spread is circular and proceeds: fool, page of swords, 5 of swords, death, eight of rods, 6 of rods, the sun, page of pentacles, knight of pentacles, temperance, 9 of cups, 5 of cups.... continue with your description you are nearing the end of the Swords phase death - ceremonial death Yes 5 of swords is representative of a withdrawal from society Death is the marker for today * GrayMind nods I am probably too at this point Which means I've got times of action ahead - which I feel my energies moving towards the reading represents both of us it looks like About the bill clinton drugs - could be representative of people still addicted to the illisions death and societal withdrawal represents a lot of people hmmmm yes the New Orleans dream now represents the present .... the Initiation occurred in the dream at night late on the night of November 19, 1997 If we are going through death & rebirth today - who will we be tomorrow? Will you be initiated? that process occurs in each moment True cloudkid unconfirmed it will happen through ceremonial death though For me, I am going through a major transistion of life perspectives and courses of action hmmmm btw i have no idea what to expect no expectation is good Where before my course was plotted - go through business school, get degree - get job - climb ladder - be succesful... Now, course is unknown hmmmm my own course now is unknown not knowing what to expect except the ceremonial death Better not to place expectations upon the future my mind is blanking a lot right now trying to ground however, I look forward to a gathering of people who have met here on these channels - will be in Dallas near end of December... hmmmm not sure what to expect here at this point even though I can easily tell what the dreams are saying ... they are talking i'm looking forward to the Wesak Celebration at Mt Shasta in May =) hmmmm My mind too has drawn a blank at moment mindblank Question comes to my mind - what should I change my degree to my name even blanked out *** WindRyder is now known as Nameless 0,1Wu Ming is a 4,1TAO 0,1concept meaning: 14,1The Neutralization of Duality0,1. 1,14It is similar to my concept of GrayMind. i like clouds haha What college courses does one take who wants to save the world? I don't know I think I'd enjoy making movies & writing novels the college courses that will create the most positive effects on you and the people in your courses I see movies all the time in my mind Mostle just the images And I have a feeling for novels Never see the complete story though hmmmm my mind is still blank right now everything is being wiped otu ... i'm just taking it a semester at a time, with my degree now almost like i am becoming Nothing what i do is not dependent on the courses Nameless - is that the death? unknown Clay is shaped into vessels, doors and windows are carved from the walls, but the usefulness is in the empty spaces. Do not assume that you know all. Be contented and remain empty, and learn to sustain the Beginner's Mind. Those who know they know not, become wise. Those who presume they know much, stay ignorant. Empty mind, open mind situation is blank .... karma blank everything blank Then listen.... Don't try to fill Allow Open Commune ..... The Open Channel is still there Listen, don't listen to me.. listen You can find the others if you are brave They rand down all the roads long ago And the red bull ran close behind htem and covered their footprints * Playing c:\mirc\unicorn.txt to #TheWizardsWay with 1000ms delay . /' // . // |\//7 /' " \ . . . | ( \ '._ | '._ ' '. ' / \'-'_---. ) ) . :.' | \ | . . . . ' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / [_] L[_| * Playback of c:\mirc\unicorn.txt complete - - - Don't ask me - I'm just acting on impulse - that was a quote from a movie that came to mind - it came to mind so I shared it with you :) mindblank still ineffect Do unicorns think? Now! Start typing Say anything what is going on here Type anything Keep your fingers going this is a bunch of nonsense that i am now typing Mroe more nonsense mind blank Everything that has to do with mind....? the mind is a terrible thing to waste but it can be blanked a blank mind is a clear mind why do you want me to type :P this is a test of the emergency typing system