Session Start: Tue Oct 14 00:05:47 1997 *** Now talking in #Ancients - Ok tonight lecture is just the usual think about type. You may agree or disagree but you are expected to discuss if you feel like it:) k, Godwin. :) This lecture was written by my great great cousin, MRS. CORA L. V. RICHMOND in the late 1800's. Some will find the words speak true while others will question them. As she stated this is between one's heart and God. k, Godwin. :) Lecture has begun God is the Infinite, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Eternal, Immortal Entity of the universe; revealed to man in all ages; under symbols, numbers, and names, which to the nations of the earth have revealed the meaning of God: whether Jehovah, Brahm, Allah, God or Lord, each term in its ultimate meaning is the same. Lecture has begun in essence like unto God; therefore all Souls have had and will have being forever. God and the Souls in the universe constitute all the consciousness of the universe. God is the Infiniverse, and the Universe is that which God expresses. As the Soul is finite that which is expressed by the Soul is finite. In the circle of finite expression the Soul bears the same relation that God does to the infinite expression, except that the laws governing the finite expression are forever under the guidance of the Infinite. There is never any change in the relationship between the Soul and God: the Soul is always finite, God always Infinite. In essence, the quality of the Soul is like the Deity, yet no more can the Soul be God than the drop of water can be the ocean. perches on a rafter..where he can watch everything...... I know some of this will differ from some people's beliefs. If so say so This being clear, the Infinite includes the finite, but is not the finite; the Deity pervades, surrounds and controls, but is not the finite entity; nor is the finite entity God; nor are all Souls God, or parts of God, but "like unto God." When the mind has once established the correct idea concerning the relationship between the finite and the Infinite the thought can never wander from it. As the Soul is an eternal entity, is a unit from eternity, so, being immortal, the Soul is not impelled from the Infinite, it is not a gift from the Infinite, does not return to the Infinite, is not lost in the Infinite. The Soul does not depart from nor return to God: the state of being is always within God: the state of expression is called existence, and seems to be a departure from the state of the Soul. There is never any change in the quality of the Soul; numbers mean anyway! yes I have to say that I don't agree with the fact about the quality of the Soul never changeing. state of the Soul. to, and the matter goes on to higher development, does the soul satrt again with a new piece of matter at the bottom of teh arch of evolution? I would like to hear the whole lecture before I make a comment no but remember this is two levels the arch of evolution? the mundane to the oneness from the mundame comment but also the other aspect is that the Soul is GOd in as much as it is not the ocean God but a drop of the Ocean God does not change This part I agree with. well, if soul never dies, is eternal, then why would it need to evolve, it must be teh matter it inhabits that is evolving, right? so Soul does not change outwardly but inwardly God does not change or Tree of Life Qabalah levels of involution and evolution yes the matter in that it through the 10 Rose Cross on the finer level and enter the matter the dense or crystalized levels slower denser and then make the journey back nothing can be added to or taken from that which is absolute; whatever the expressions are they are expressions whose sources are all within the Soul; i.e., the impetus, the power, the light and knowledge are there, Expression differs from being as matter differs from Soul. denser the soul on the inner level involves and evolves but outwardly from being as matter differs from Soul. remains in union with GOd as a drop of Ocean water is to the ocean and evolves one the union with the oneness and withing that like an atom the interaction of the involution and evolution as a drop of Ocean water Father-Mother. God through expression manifests duality in all forms of the universe, and in revealed attributes. This duality is manifest in the visible world yes, I agree then on the 4th level when energy of unity, absolute becomes the energy and matter the salt and niter which are both divided further into the 4 elements air, fire, earth and water The name that in the Orient was known as the Mahadai, the God-Goddess, has everywhere appeared in modified form expressing the nature of the Deity twofold; but no one among the seers and prophets ever made the mistake of supposing that this twofold expression was other than one God in the Infinite, air, fire, earth and water all my belief Infinite, but an interesting one any more than that the threefold expression as worshiped in Isis, Osiris and Horus; in Brahma, Vishnu and Siva; and in Father, Son and Holy Spirit, had other meaning than the threefold expression of the one Infinite, Eternal, Omniscient, and Omnipresent God. THis last quote says a lot. It explains the thesis of the lecture the oneness of the drop to the ocean and the interaction of the drop being independent in its involution and evolution becoming inwardly self independent of God, not unity but being God The Soul represents in the finite what the Deity does in the Infinite: the nature of the Soul is dual, and the approach toward expression of the Soul is dual. The first stage of expression is found symbolized in the "Cherubim and Seraphim," pictured as heads with wings of light and countenances illumined with celestial glory, but no material form. form. that is like God, is that of duality, as portrayed in the Cherub and Seraph, and is by a process that we name Involution, which corresponds to and is the antithesis of Evolution, in matter. form. The states of involution previous to mortal birth, or genesis, are not states to be remembered or expressed, because they can not be known until the return process which is after the expression in human or outward form; but there are Angels of succeeding lower degrees, beginning with the Archangels of the system, and then Angels of the planet on which the Soul is to find expression, who take charge of this involution, as there are those who take charg involution, as there are those who take charg asleep or thinking? listening *thinking* listening ok:) * GrayMind is absorbing. Thus by degrees the Soul approaches expression in the outward form: not suddenly from the Celestial to mortal life, not suddenly from the Soul to the body, but through stages of descent. The typical Garden of Eden was made the first expression in human life, i.e.: the typical contact of the Soul with matter. Adam being the man of earth, and Eve being life; Eve the serpent, the sense surrounding, the human environment. descent. THis is the levels I discussed earlier the 10 levels 1 being the finer the oneness, absolute, unity, God 10 the lowest being the mundame when one enters the Initiation of the Nadar Nadar meaning awareness or the knowledge of the process of evolution in search of self being or soul consciousness The twofold or divided state in matter is simply the incident of expression: as matter causes the divided expression of that which is dual in essence, one in Soul, so when the Soul seeks expression in matter that expression must always be divided; there is not division in the evolution in search of self being or soul consciousness of the Soul for the time that the expression takes place; these expressions are always man and woman, and the sexes are not interchangeable. The state of human expression is called an Embodiment, of which there are successions. Embodiments begin with the lowest planetary life (adapted to human expression) and with the stage that is lowest on the planet which the Soul approaches. THis lecture goes hand and hand with the 30 week course on French ROsicrucianism taught on Tuesday night at 9 CST Especially the union of sexes as one the division at the 4th level and finally the reunion Thus each Soul begins at the beginning of expression. No one ever graduated as a master mason first; there is the degree of "entered apprentice," the "fellow craftsman" and the "master mason:" each Soul enters, as an apprentice in the earthly expression, the lowermost human state. this is the level 10 the mundane lowest level above it is the lunar astral earthly expression, the lowermost human state. mental etheric etc each one getting finer faster and more defined remember above the mundane one goes faster than the speed of light since light/time/space does not exist you can taste color and see music all starts to become one remember above the mundane expressed on earth, and all must pass through the same states; upon each planet of a system, all possible phases of that planet's experiences; so there is no injustice, no partiality, no different experience; that which one Soul requires to express in any one planet all Souls must express who approach that planet for embodiment. who approach that planet for embodiment. you learn to make solar and lunar energies they are stored in separate containers lunar must never touch solar or solar lunar as they balance each other and you lose your energy and lunar The dual life finds expression in man and woman on earth, and is always man and woman; the feminine expressing the feminine, the masculine expressing the masculine; there is interchange and blending of experiences by one union on earth, and by the final reunion as the Angel; they make the journey of the Soul in its dual expressions through the earthly life, passing through similar states at the same time, but not together. godwin? yes Ageya as they balance each other, and you lose your energy, you become zero? no time, but not together. summer to gain esoteric energy this is through the creation of solar energy through the invisible sun and moon and Saturn energyt, you become zero? or lunar night summer is not seen you must not do the same exercises of thought forms the solar energy ones you store the solar energy and start on the lunar energy storing it if not you lose all the energy you have worked so hard for during the invisible sun being present There are three general degrees of expression, each of which includes many embodiments. The typical Physical expression being the first stage; the typical Intellectual expression being the second stage; the typical Moral or Spiritual expression being the third stage. Interblending in the various conditions of human life as the unfoldment goes on, these stages are all modified to the culmination which must be comparatively separate; THis concept above is complex but was discussed in the French ROsicrucian course two weeks ago it is an on going course and anyone interested I will start over for them from lesson one some day But remember that what you see as the moon and sun French ROsicrucian course invisible sun and moon (lunar) start over for them from lesson one some day i.e., the mere culmination of physical life never occurs if there is great intellectual attainment, and the culmination of the mere intellectual attainment never occurs after there is any great unfoldment of the spirit, because when pursuing physical attainment no other aim in life is of any value to the one seeking expression in that manner. THis is a lecture that is I agree dificult and may be read several times To a physical life typified in Hercules, who was indeed the representative of man's physical attainment, nothing could be great but physical power and strength. Man would be considered unfortunate in that state of expression if seeking for moral propositions in the place of a strong right arm: so when nations, as well as individuals, are in the stage of physical culmination little else is thought of; i.e. the hiearchy of needs but when, sometimes, as in certain states it is true, the physical is merged into the intellectual there is a plain echo of the physical state in the higher sports, like the ancient tournaments and amusements. exactly Laurel sorta like Maslow in education:))) So, maybe we should help raise all those in this world up their heirarchy of needs - so that they may begin their paths of self - actualization.. Session Close: Tue Oct 14 01:03:25 1997 ######################################################### Session Start: Tue Oct 14 01:09:44 1997 *** Now talking in #Ancients but all of the soul knowledge is secret since the dawn of time but all of the soul knowledge is secret since the dawn of time psychoanalysis, I'm founding similar things, but both of them don't have clear base not the gospel what that matter is, what the human mind is, what the personal state is accompanying the expression, are of no final importance. Just as adults do not wish to be children, in the sense that they were children before they became men and women, just as that state of childhood is merged into the state of adult existence, so the final expression includes the preceding states and all expressions are merged in the Soul possession. they just say that the basic things are as they are Soul possession. But if you truly listen, truly strive, truly blend and serve and strive for charity you become one with God in the evolution they don't give explanation to the most important things but just saying that they are like they say and this is the reason for all esoteric schools observe Pal and listen--it will be shown to you lost, (excepting the earthly part is cast aside) but is a portion of the larger individuality, the Soul entity. Thus in the vast range of experiences you become aware of what the Soul wishes to accomplish in its expression through matter: facility over the conditions that pertain to matter; and this is the reason for all esoteric schools assist it to blend through service with the will of the soul the conquest, consciously, over all earthly states, to the end that, as each state ministers to the state that is next lowest, all may minister unto others. So when expression in all embodiments has taken place, when the experience of earth is done, when very vanquishment has been made, the greatest of which is the conquest of self, the Soul, because of having passed through all the culminations of all the embodiments of earth, is again united; and this is an Angel of the earth. The angelic states of earth constitute the harvest of what has been accomplished in the earthly expression, and the angelic ministration is to those who are still in the wilderness of time; these different ways, yet the meanings are similar who are still in the wilderness of time; these listen, remain silent, observe, seek, serve, pray, meditate, contemplate and be patient this is the Path to Attainment states succeed one another in height until they become allied to Souls in archangelic states who minister to the higher Angels, and who through them approach the earth at unusual times. Attainment too difficult it is only through a weak will that man does not achieve enlightenment man is far too impatient Hi :) remember the great Masters took countless years to reach enlightenment wow...long time since ive seen Ancients this full Eternity includes all planetary cycles of expression, and there are such intervals from expression to the absolute, the state of being, as constitute sufficient respite from all expression. Every Soul is in the absolute state such cycles or aeons as intervene between angelic, archangelic, and Messianic states, and the commencement of a new series of embodiments in another system. Those are Angels who are perfected on each planet, having conquered that world. The Soul in its reunited state as an Angel has expressed all possible degrees, and therefore has charge over Souls that are still in the state of expression; when that charge is fulfilled after every planetary existence, the Soul passes on to another planet. If anyone can find them read After Death and the classic Soul WOrld by Dr. Paschal Beverly Randolph this traveling from planet to planet was quiet popular in the 1860-90s planetary existence, the Soul passes on to another planet. cycles of time in connection with earthly and planetary expression it would almost be fruitless; although it is possible to state in numbers the years included in the vast cycles that intervene between the commencement and close of expression on a planet, in the 1860-90s expression on a planet, The full number of Souls have approached the earth: all the Souls are upon the earth and within the heavens of your planet that ever will have expression here; so that all embodiments now are of Souls that have been embodied, some of them many times. The lower states are represented by the primitive states of nations now upon the earth; the higher states of expression now on earth offer sufficient encouragement to those who are seeking to know what the ultimate will be. All states of existence having been expressed; all victories having been attained, as illustrated in the different conditions of human life upon planets and in the different degrees of angelic and archangelic states, there is but one other expression within the possible range of man's comprehension, or even conception, and that only in some of its results: the order of Divine Lives that come to the earth as Messiahs. worlds, as explained in the sixth regular lesson. These are Archangels of so high an order that their names could not be spoken on earth with any knowledge of their meaning. Messiahs approach the earth in cycles: these are denominated the twelve Messianic cycles, as there are twelve Messiahs for each solar system; ;i.e., those who are Messiahs to each planet of a solar system. A dispensation is the entire result of a Messianic visitation, from the birth of a Messiah to the full culmination of all Souls (as Angels) who belong to that Messianic cycle; the harvest of a Messianic life. The Messianic expression of the new Dispensation will be in dual form, man and woman, typical of the perfect human state; symbol of the Divine Soul union. Both expressions will constitute the One Messiah and will have recognition in the New Life. In the Christian dispensation this is symbolized by the marriage of Christ and the Church, to which a superficial and very material interpretation has been given by an uninspired clergy. This will be the reconciliation of man to God. (As God never is other than one with man, but man departs from God; i.e., from the perception of God.) The new dispensation brings the "peace" of which the dispensation of Jesus was but the prophecy. In ROsicrucianism this is known as the Age of ManIsis or Man and woman Isis being responsible for their own failures The people of the New Nation will cease to wage war, will not outrage the "image of God," and therefore will not outrage God. All this is to come to the children of the new dispensation when the New Messiah appears, and to all the nations of the earth when all the Messiahs shall have come. ############################################################ Well any questions what is the procedure fro reaching the higher states of consciousness in this system of approach? * GrayMind holds up his glass... Here's to the New Nation! when the new messiah appears how will one know its really him? good question, freestorm. the process is the transmutation of that which is gross into that which is finer through spiritual alchemy ok, what is the procedure for doing this alchemy? Perhaps WE are all the new messiah of two minds into one ok, how is this transmutation to be done? daily but what is the process, how do you replace one quality for another in this case? not through potential promises, discussions, hopes, dreams or sadness for others but rather one person at a time through kinetic energy of love serving that one who serves another and another praying for guidance listeniing in silence to GOd giving to the poor aiding the sick loving your enemy so it is a process of listeningm praying, serving, giving,aiding,loving, anything else? and doing good to those that use and abuse you bravo one leads to the other ################### HOw does one turn hate to love, what is the process? example I have a glass it is empty or is it bravo it contains air thing of this full glass of air as your soul striving for the divine spark or soul consciousness or is it do you destroy bad NO the harder you fight evil "Clay is shaped into vessels, doors and windows are carved from the walls, but the usefulness is in the empty spaces." the stronger it becomes so what do you do you add good love think of water as good as you add water the stronger it becomes the air becomes less and less soon the glass is full of water and there is no room for evil so it is in your heart transmutate change HOw do you turn love to hate though, how do you transmute those feelings from one to the other? ok You see bill focus on the love--do not think of the hate--control your thoughts and they are controlable you and Bill have fought for years you are next door neighbors but never speak one day you say hello Bill does not speak you and Bill have fought for years still he does not speak but never speak a smile a kind word so it is with GOd you pray to God but you need his attention ok, but If you hated him before, how do you get the point of deciding to do otherwise, so that you can begin to say "hell" so it is with man As above so below It is called desire "hello":)) you make a choice the esoteric path of thhought forms are so it is with man you see it ect you desire it "hello":)) contemplate on it visualize it and finally you will it I WILL and that thought form of the etheric or astral is made manifest in the physical and finally you will it hate into desire to love, how does that transmutation begin to happen, what is the beginning point? when you desire it godwin, i understand more this way of teaching than the other way. what do youthink it is, two through free will only then no miracles no divine intervention other way. like with drugs alcohol it becomes more painful to hate than to love you say no to hate and slowly it becomes easier it is always more painfulto hate than to love so the only direction is to move forward into that love, that greater unity each day you change just a little more two steps forward and one back No great secrets nothing hidden under rocks no philosophers stone no hope except in man's will and desire to change Namaste that is the first step no hope brotherhood, visualization yes, desire comes because we see a better option, a better way than the one we have tried before, so we desire it and it compells us forward ####################################################