
Karla Turner, Ph.D., in her book 'INTO THE FRINGE' (Berkley
Books, N.Y.  1992) describes in detail her work with two 'abduct-
ees', a husband and wife, who had allegedly experienced numerous 
alien encounters.  Parts of the experiences which were sub-
consciously suppressed by the couple were retrieved through
regressive hypnosis.
     As an example, most of their abduction experiences with the
'greys' involved the classic 'medical examinations', however the
husband was convinced from his own observations that the 'Grey'
aliens were attempting to genetically cross-breed humans and
animals, such as cattle.  At one point the husband observed an
unconscious woman, not his wife, 'cut open' from her chest to her
abdomen while the grays apparently performed some operation on
her reproductive organs, after which the cut was sealed with a 
laser-like device and the original incision scar disappeared.  Semen 
was also extracted from the man and, he believes, it was injected 
into the unconscious woman AND into the 'cow' which was on 
another table or platform.
     On one occasion the husband saw a group of 'greyish' beings
with 'faces' which he could not clearly distinguish.  The grayish
beings 'told' him that they were his 'ancestors', along with other 
confusing discourses about genetic 'pockets' and so on.  He felt 
the creatures were not human and he had the distinct impression 
that they were manipulating and lying to him, and he TOLD them 
so.
     Another strange experience involved a 'dream' wherein the
husband saw a fairly attractive blond 'woman' seductively motioning
him over.  He went towards her and right when they were about to 
'kiss' he 'saw' that beneath its disguise the being was actually 
some king of 'warty' and 'slimy' creature (Could the creature have 
'projected' this false image into his mind?  Also, was it attempting 
to excite him so that it could extract semen for genetic experi-
ments?  Some male abductees have alleged that they are forced to
copulate with 'something', often described as being partially or fully
mechanical-like, or part humanoid-mechanical or of non-humanoid 
configuration... or participate in many other bizarre actions in order
to extract semenic fluid, no doubt to be used for further 'breeding' 
experiments.  Some of these men claim that the experience was 
terrifying, abusive and gave them little if any pleasure.  One man 
stated that after his experience he had much more sympathy for 
women who were forced to go through the ordeal of being raped).
     Although MOST encounters with 'Nordics' or 'Blond' humans are
clearly recognizable as being ongoing human-to-human encounters, 
a relative 'few' encounters betray the fact that non-human -- often 
reptilian -- 'alien' beings are at least in a some instances attempt-
ing to pass themselves off as 'Nordics'.  When the 'husband' real-
ized that the apparent 'blond girl' was actually something inhuman 
he became horrified and began to resist, at which point he was 
'injected' with something.  According to Dr. Turner, when he 'woke 
up' from the 'dream' (the husband alleged) the (injection) marks 
were visible and very real.
     One of the most interesting experiences described by this
couple however was a 'dream' that was remembered by both the 
wife and the husband, with a little help with regressive hypnosis to 
establish total recall.  In connection with this episode, which occur-
red some time after the abductions by the grays began, the 
husband and wife had a 'shared' experience wherein they recalled 
being taken in a white pickup and a helicopter to an unknown 
destination.  The memories of this part of the event were largely 
surrealistic as if he/they were in a drug-induced state (this was 
later confirmed).
     The husband remembered being taken to a marshy or swampy
area and then of 'falling' down a great distance through some kind 
of tube, and finally arriving in some sort of large underground
cavern.
     The air was musty until he/they were taken to one side of the 
cavern and past large manmade storage tanks, generators, etc., 
and after traversing this for some time they emerged into an instal-
lation where he saw doors, desks and other objects reminiscent of
a 'military' base.  Eventually he was taken into a 'saloon' like room.
The air was 'filtered' and sanitized as opposed to the musty cavern.
The 'bar' area seemed to be a 'holding area' where he saw several 
people standing or sitting around in a 'drugged' or catatonic zombie-
like state.
     The 'dreamlike' sensation began to give way to a lucid, rational 
mindset and the husband became aware of a military officer there 
who seemed to be very angry that he was coming out of the state 
of mind that they wanted him in, since he was beginning to see the 
area as 'solid' and 'real' instead of 'dreamlike'.  He even began 
asking some of the dazed people there if anyone had a deck of 
cards.  He had the impression that even though they were deep 
underground someone had gone to a lot of trouble making this 
'holding area' look like an 1800's saloon, carefully planning every 
detail.  He was later convinced that such an atmosphere was 
intended to reinforce the 'dreamlike', drug-induced state of 
consciousness.
     He soon found himself being interrogated by what seemed to be
a high-ranking Army official, possibly an Army Major.  The officer
persistently demanded information out of him concerning his know-
ledge of the grey aliens, what the aliens' plans were, what was 
done to them during their abductions, how he was personally
involved in their 'plans' and so on, apparently aware of the fact that 
he/they had been abducted in the past.  The husband refused to 
answer any questions, having become 'conscious' to what was
going on and where he was, and this just made the Army Major(?),
who he described as a very 'emotional' man, more upset.
     The officer threatened him, saying that the military might take 
repercussions if he did not cooperate, but the husband sensed that 
his interrogator was bluffing and that they probably would not follow 
through with any of the threats. 
     Although they apparently landed near a marshy area before
entering the underground base, the husband for some reason
believed that they were actually deep inside a mountain.
     He also had the impression that the others in 'the bar' or 
'saloon' -- some of whom he seemed to know and who were wait-
ing to be 'interrogated' -- had also been abducted with him on 
different occasions and the military was desperately trying to find 
out 'what they knew'.  
     Of course their methods of gaining 'intelligence' may have been 
rather unconventional, however it may be in keeping with the mind-
set of a schizophrenic military -- terrified at the potential threats 
that the Aliens and their (programmed?) abductees might pose to 
the United States establishment, yet at the same time being
pressured to maintain a 'cover-up' wherein 'intelligence' had to be
gained through unconventional methods such as that described
above.  However, IF the 'aliens' are using human beings as 'implant-
ed' or 'tagged' pawns in an agenda of planned subversion against
this human-dominated planet Earth, then one should not lay the 
blame entirely on the 'abductees' who happened to be in the wrong
place at the wrong time.  Instead they should be viewed more as 
the victims than the enemies.
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