The Poison CD Hoax
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EDITORIAL
September 10, 1999
Jagannath Das "Puripada"
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BY JAGADANANDA DAS
EDITORIAL, Sep 10 (VNN) — Jagannath Das "Puripada" (Geoffrey Giuliano) is
something of a controversial figure in the Krishna Consciousness movement. His two recent
postings on Chakra have elicited suspicious reactions from devotees on VNN forums and
elsewhere. Those who know him say that he is an inveterate self-promoter. Is it any
surprise that his motives should be suspect?
Background of the Poison CD controversy
In the his two letters dated August 18 and August 27 , Jagannath Das accuses Nityananda
Prabhu and Rocana Das of having dishonest motives in conducting an investigation into
Prabhupad's poisoning. (For more information on Rochan and Nityananda's investigation, see
History of the Independent Vaisnava Council.)
As Chakra had previously called Jagannath Das's credibility into question (Who is
Puripada?) it was somewhat surprising to see him writing there. Other questions about
Jagannatha's credibility were previously asked on VNN by none other than Rochan Prabhu
himself in an article dated May 24, 1998, Poisoning the Investigation. There Rochan states
that he suspects Jagannath of being involved in turning over the master copy of the CD to
the GBC:
It is also a fact that Jagannath's behaviour towards the other participants of the audio
project resulted in our decision to exclude him and his facility from future endeavors on
this project. As stated in the recent IVC Interim Report, we only have Jagannath's word
for the circumstances that transpired around the theft of the master copy of the CD and
the working DAT's. In fact, several of us associated with this project have, all along,
had a suspicion that Jagannath himself may have been implicated in these materials coming
into ISKCON's hands. Without proof to support these speculations, however, we are left to
accept his version of events, which were duly reported.
This accusation recently resurfaced on VNN forums where it was added that Jagannath had
sold the IVC's investigation materials to Harikesh Maharaj. And Nityananda Prabhu has also
recently asked why the only response to his book has been to question his character.
Though I am not in a position to do any extensive investigation into this matter, I
thought at least it may be good to interview Jagannath Prabhu and ask him to clarify some
of the questions that have come up about him and his status within the Krishna
consciousness movement.
"A supremely confident being"
I spoke to him on the telephone about his career as a devotee last Saturday morning.
Jagannath's voice is brash. The accent is New York City, though he has never lived there
for long periods of time. It is the voice of a self-promoter -- and Jagannath doesn't deny
it: "If there is anything about me that is true, " he says, "it is that I
am a supremely confident being."
Though I wanted to go straight to the abovementioned issues with him, Jagannath treated me
to a lengthy account of his life as a devotee from his first encounter with Prabhupada's
books in 1969, his brief sojourn in the Tampa Bay temple in 1971 with Pusta Krishna Das to
his reincarnation as a Puripada, "a Hindu guru." Actually, Jagannath has not
held back about the details of his life which the reader can find on his website at
http://www.neonblue.com/sri.
Jagannath claims to have been on Prabhupada's initiation list in 1971, but left the
movement before it took place. He continued to keep in contact with the movement and did
meet Srila Prabhupada in London later in 70's. In an anecdote that tells volumes about his
own character as well as Prabhupada, he tells the story of that meeting: "Prabhupada
was passing through the crowd of devotees surrounded by his top men, I jumped out and
enthusiastically started to tell Prabhupada how much I loved his books. I guess Prabhupada
thought I was coming on a little strong. He fluffed me off as if to say Chill off!' But a
moment later, he was merciful and turned back to me and said, Walk next to me but don't
talk anything.'"
Later the same day, Jagannath had the ecstatic opportunity to encounter Prabhupada again.
"This time Prabhupada said to me and my friend, You are nice boys, you will go back
to home.' I don't know when that is supposed to happen, but it's encouraging to have heard
it from Prabhupada himself!"
Material success
After leaving Iskcon, Jagannath went to SUNY and graduated in drama and then went on to
his now fabled career as Canada's Ronald Macdonald. Though he had been a vegetarian since
his stint as a devotee, he justified his apparent moral contradiction by saying to
"an actor may portray a murderer, a homosexual, drug addict. Personal philosophy of
life are not always germane to one's occupation. I was just playing a part to make a
living."
Nevertheless, the moral contradiction eventually got to him and he gave it up. He sees the
experience of having worked as Ronald Macdonald as a positive one because it now gives him
the opportunity to speak for Animal Rights' groups like PETA (People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals. The Macdonalds' connexion has resulted in hundreds of newspaper
articles and TV shows publicizing the cause of animal rights and vegetarianism. He calls
it an "Instant entre to the media."
Throughout his teenage years, the Beatles had a great deal of meaning for him. Fearlessly
promoting himself as an authority on them and their music, Jagannath got a contract with a
publishing firm in Toronto to write a book. He wrote "The Beatles -- a
Celebration" which became a great success and assured him a career as a writer on the
Beatles and other pop musicians.
During this time, he was a "Friend of Krishna" for many years, keeping close
contact with Iskcon. When he decided to write a life of George Harrison, he approached
Mukunda Goswami who gave him a great deal of confidential information about Harrison. When
the book Dark Horse came out, George Harrison showed his unhappiness with Mukunda as much
of the information could only have come from inside sources. The result was that Mukunda
and other members of Iskcon became disenchanted with Jagannath.
Of this episode, Jagannath says, "Mukunda accused me of being an opportunist, but I
say, what's wrong with that? Everyone tries to take advantage of their position, and
that's all I am trying to do. They must think that if I talk about Harrison's drug-taking
that I put Krishna consciousness in a bad light. But I am not a PR man. As a journalist, I
tell the truth. If I have to be brutally honest, so be it. My book on Harrison is the only
one that goes into any depth about his spiritual interests. I have heard from some people
that the warts-and-all account of Harrison helps them to understand why he was motivated
to engage in spiritual life."
Initiation and relationship with Mangala Maharaj
In 1983, Jagannath took Harinama and thus became the first initiated disciple of Bhakti
Hridoy Mangal Maharaj, a disciple of Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaj, founder of the
Chaitanya Gaudiya Math. Mangal Maharaj was formerly known as Mangal Nilay Brahmachary. In
his early years in America, Srila Prabhupada tried several times to persuade him to come
and help with his mission, but the Brahmachary was refused permission by his guru at the
time. After Madhava Maharaj's disappearance, Mangal Maharaj finally took the opportunity
to come to respond to Prabhupada's request.
Jagannath's initiation by Mangal Maharaj also resulted in controversy in the Chaitanya
Gaudiya Math as the Math had not authorized him to give initiation. Jagannath told me that
a court case resulted, but I have not been able to confirm this.
Jagannath indicated to me his admiration for Mangal Maharaj's strict practice of Gaudiya
Vaishnava sadhana, and appreciation for the extensive teachings he gave him. Since
initiation, he has followed the regulative principles and chanted his rounds. However, he
says that they ultimately had a falling out when Mangal Maharaja criticized Bhaktivedanta
Swami on various fronts. Most significantly, he criticized Prabhupada's interpretation of
the acintya-bhedabheda doctrine, calling it a "minigod" theory which fails to
sufficiently distinguish between the jiva and the Lord. "He would say that the spark
is not the fire; the hue of the diamond is not the diamond.'"
Mangala Maharaj further held that disciples of Srila Prabhupada will have to take human
birth again after a stint in the heavenly planets before attaining perfection. Indeed they
will have to take initiation in the Gaudiya Math before such perfection becomes
possible."
Jagannath says, "I booted him out of the house. I have a quick temper. I feel
overwhelming kinship to Prabhupada. I'm a Prabhupada man. I consider him to be my guru
maharaj. If I have to go to hell, so be it. I am not shopping around for a guru
anymore."
Other devotees deny that Mangal Maharaj has ever taken this kind of anti-Prabhupada
position while testifying to his impeccable credentials as a sadhaka -- something that
Jagannatha corroborates. Mangal Maharaj admits that his relationship with Jagannath was
stormy. Indeed, he tells an anecdote about an incident that took place in Calcutta when he
was riding with his disciple in a motor rickshaw. An accident occurred and the vehicle
rolled over. Mangal Maharaj momentarily lost consciousness. The rickshaw driver shouted to
his two passengers to get out of the machine before it burst into flames. According to
Mangala Maharaj, Jagannath was in such a hurry to get out of the car that he stepped on
his guru to save himself. "What kind of disciple is this?" asks the bewildered
Maharaj.
Jagannath says that he later took a type of Ritvik initiation in Vrindavan from an Iskcon
devotee "with fire sacrifice and everything, but in secret." On Sept 5, 1998,
Jagannath took an apparent pro-Ritvik stance on VNN "SRI/The Spiritual Realization
Institute initiates only for and on behalf of His Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Prabhupada. His Holiness Jagannatha Dasa Puripada is the founder, but certainly not the
guru and initiates only in the physical absence of Srila Prabhupada."
However, in our phone conversation, he made it clear that he thinks though he is
sympathetic with the causes for Ritvik philosophy's arising, he believes that it goes
against the principal of disciplic succession. As someone who makes no secret of his own
aspirations as a "Hindu guru, " this is not surprising.
So what's with the "Puripada"?
So I asked Jagannath about his career as a guru. He tells the story as follows:
"When I had gained success as a writer, I began to live quite opulently. I bought
this mansion in Lockport in the Buffalo suburbs. But at some point I woke up and realized
that I only thought I was cool, but was actually a fool. At that point, I converted my
house into a temple and founded SRI.
"One day I heard that Boy George had gone to the London temple and been told by the
devotees that if he wanted to become a devotee he would have to give up being gay first.
Boy George did not take kindly to this message and left. I thought that I would never have
spoken to him in this way. I would have said, Let's work from where you are.'
"At that moment I thought that I would start a preaching program in my neck of the
woods, preaching to Rainbow people, New Agers, Yuppies. I don't claim to be teaching an
advanced level of Krishna consciousness, kindergarten stuff really, but I am not
adulterating the basic message about the soul and Krishna that Prabhupada gave. I may use
language which is more appealing to my audience, like "higher power, "
"lord of the heart", etc. to get my message across.
"I have a lot of confidence and I consider myself a good preacher. Besides, there is
no preaching going on in northwestern New York. There has been no Iskcon temple in Buffalo
for more than 20 years and the area has been completely neglected by preachers.
"I also thought how could I appeal to these people. I realized that I had to promote
myself. Westerners like Swamis and other people with some kind of exotic allure. Some of
the Bengali devotees who were serving as pujaris in my temple had started calling me
Puripada. So I started using that title. I got an engagement in Lillydale and thousands of
people came and listened closely to everything that I was saying.
"I grew my hair long, and started walking, talking like a guru. I consider it
necessary for the sake of spreading the message. I don't claim to be a nitya-siddha or a
mah-bhgavata. I may even water down the philosophy somewhat in order to make it appealing
to my audience. I am putting a spin on the ball, but it's not megalomania. It's a genuine
desire to serve by preaching.
"The title Puripada was never meant for my Godbrothers and I have agreed to give it
up. As a matter of fact, I asked that Chakra not publish it with my letters. I don't know
why they did so."
So what's the deal with the CD
"When I read on VNN about the IVC initiative to investigate Prabhupada's poisoning, I
volunteered the use of my personal recording studio and offered my services as narrator
for the CD, which had the format of an indepth investigative news report. I was shocked by
the possibility that Prabhupad could have been poisoned and wished to make a contribution
to the effort to find the truth.
"I was particularly disillusioned by Nityananda Das, when he asked me to use the
audio equipment to displace whispers on the recording to make them more damaging. I have
since made further investigations about him and learned that he is a convicted felon.
There are other things about Nityananda that disturb me and this convinces me that he is
not someone to be trusted.
"Rochan struck me as a used-car salesman -- a slippery character. I'm a journalist
and I can smell bull a mile away. The more I dealt with these people, the stronger the
smell became."
What happened with Dhaneswara Prabhu, who was working on the CD at your temple? Why did
you kick him out of your house?
"Well, first of all, I felt that his theories on "reverse speech" -- that
the truth of any sound vibration can only be established by listening to it backwards --
far fetched. He had goofy ideas and I didn't find him credible at all. But I got really
fed up with him because I felt that he repeatedly overstepped the bounds of proper
behavior as a houseguest."
What about the accusations that you turned over the CD and tapes to the GBC?
"A disciple of Jayapataka Swami, Gauradaya Das, was living at my house at the time
and working as a pujari. I entrusted him with my personal copy of CD after it was
finished. I was going to India. During my absence he left and gave the CD to Iskcon
authorities. But I had absolutely nothing to do with the theft. I reported the theft to
both Buffalo police and the FBI."
Jagannath claims to have no axe to grind with anyone in any of the branches of the Krishna
consciousness movement. He considers his preaching mission to be his life's work. His
financial independence makes it possible for him to remain aloof. It is not clear,
however, what made him decide that now was the time to come out with this very public
condemnation of Rochan and Nityananda. It looks like a deliberate ploy to ingratiate
himself with Iskcon. And hey, any publicity is good publicity...
© 1999 VNN
EDITORIAL
September 18, 1999
Challenge Of Srila Prabhupada's Passing And Response To Jagannath Das
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BY DHANESVARA DAS
EDITORIAL, Sep 18 (VNN) — The Poisoning Issue
Part 1 of 3
Dear Devotees,
It is indeed a most sad and disturbing to consider that our beloved Srila Prabhupada's
passing from this world was hastened by scandalous persons administering poison to him.
Nonetheless there is a growing body of evidence which suggests that that is the case.
Given the circumstances it is incumbent upon all of us to investigate this matter for
ourselves, hear the evidence ourselves and arrive at our own conclusions.
The contentious issue which has arisen regarding Srila Prabhupada's passing away is to be,
without a doubt, the most significant issue which Prabhupada's followers and his
institution, ISKCON, will ever face. This issue by its very nature challenges our faith to
its very foundations, in large degree because of who we understand Srila Prabhupada was
and is, and Who we think Krishna is and what we expect of Him.
Upon becoming familiar with Srila Prabhupada's writings and the work that he did, we come
to the firm conclusion that he is indeed Krishna's Senapati Bhakta, his great devotee
commander sent here under the Lord's direct order to take the message of Krishna
Consciousness around the world. As we progress in Krishna Consciousness we come to
understand Srila Prabhupada as a pure devotee of the highest order, an uttama adhikari, a
mahabhagavat, and the most magnanimous soul to walk the face of the earth. It was he who
instructed us in the teachings of Krishna Consciousness and it was he who embodied those
ideals and taught us by his own example what it means to be a devotee surrendered to the
lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
The Lord's interaction and protection of His devotees is learned through His instructions
in the Bhagavad-gita, and the narrations of the Srimad Bhagavatam and Caitanya
Caritamrita. We read the Lord's statements in the Gita that He protects and delivers His
devotees, and then hear wonderful tales which demonstrate it how the Lord directly
protected Ambarish, Prahlad, and others who took shelter of nothing other than Him. These
examples of the Lord's love for His devotees are the building blocks of our faith, and
hearing and remembering them we learn how to take shelter of the Lord, surrendering
ourselves to His protection in all circumstances as well.
For most of us though, surrender is a kind of bargain I'll surrender to You Lord and
because You are the controller of everything I will be protected. Not just protect me, but
protect me in the manner that I want or expect. That, just as in the case of Ambarish, not
a hair on my head will be hurt. And because of our bodily identification the Lord's
protection is assumed to mean protection of our body. Of course we do not verbalize this
understanding, rather it becomes more of an implicit part of our belief. And if it happens
that it doesn't always go according to our plan, well, that's probably not going to shake
our faith too much, because we know that we weren't really as surrendered as we would like
to have been, or thought that we were, anyway.
However, in figuring on behalf of Srila Prabhupada we fully expect that Srila Prabhupada,
no less surrendered than Prahlad Maharaj, or Mahraj Ambarish, would be afforded the same
divine bodily protection that they had, and that in His love for Prabhupada the Lord would
permit nothing untoward to happen to him. How could such a thing be? After all, Prabhupada
is the Lord's ambassador, and directly under the Lord's protection! So to even suggest
that Srila Prabhupada could have been brought to death's door by the actions of any person
of this world is an immense challenge, not only to our concept of the Lord's omnipotence,
but to our faith as well. After all, if the Lord would permit Srila Prabhupada to be
poisoned, then what kind of protection can I, who am such a rascal, expect?
Again, these ideas are not generally something that we express or perhaps even understand.
But they may in fact be at the root of our being unable to even consider that Prabhupada's
death was something other than natural. Could it be a fact that only those who have strong
faith in Srila Prabhupada and Krishna Consciousness can address this distasteful issue?
Could it be that only those who have strong faith can accommodate even the idea that
Prabhupada had been poisoned? Why? Because those with strong faith will continue to accept
that Krishna is omnipotent, that He is in fact the God of all, and that despite what we
think He does protect those surrendered to Him.
Every spiritual challenge tests the faith, and this challenge is so severe that only those
who have genuine faith in Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna will be able to pass it. Those
who are weak in faith will attach all manners of mistrust and doubt to the possibility
that Srila Prabhupada could have been poisoned. Would that mean that one of the wonderful
qualities that many have witnessed and therefore ascribe him, the knowing of the minds of
those close to him, is not factual?
Would that mean that Krishna is not competent to protect his pure devotee? Would that mean
that maya defeated Krishna's pure devotee? Or would that mean that Prabhupada wasn't a
pure devotee? These are the type of doubts that will enter into the mind of the follower
who does not have strong faith.
Those with unflinching faith however will accept that Srila Prabhupada always understood
the minds of his followers, and that he knew that he was being poisoned. Knew it? No doubt
about it he stated the fact. Nonetheless he willingly accepted whatever condition the Lord
placed him in, having absolute faith in, and surrender to, the Supreme Personality of
Godhead. His example therefore is not at all different than that of Ambarish Maharaj who
with folded hands and complete dependence on the Lord tolerated without the slightest
concern the onslaught that was threatening his body. This is the example of surrender and
faith in the highest degree.
What is the degree of our faith? Will we lose our faith if we find that Srila Prabhupada
had indeed been poisoned? Will we lose our faith in Krishna thinking Him to be incompetent
to protect his pure devotee? When we recite the Siksastakam do we really understand and
mean that the Lord is completely free to deal with us in any way whatsoever and that He
will remain our worshipable Lord, UNCONDITIONALLY?
Let us admit it, this episode is test of our faith. Srila Prabhupada had total faith in
the Lord. Can we follow in his footsteps? Do we have faith that everything Srila
Prabhupada said was true? This issue places before us a test to see if we have enough love
for Srila Prabhupada to hear his words that he was being poisoned, and continue to have
faith that everything he said is true, despite the implications. And given the
implications of that statement to then demand an open investigation into the matter for
the benefit of all future generations.
Is your faith strong enough to allow you to consider the evidence that has been placed
before us? Will your faith allow you to consider the possibility that the persons who
poisoned Srila Prabhupada are still today among the most influential people in
Prabhupada's institution, and all of the implications attendant on that premise? Do you
have sufficient love for Prabhupada to muster the courage it takes to hear the evidence
and consider it for yourself, and then to draw your own conclusions?
We have seen the attempts by some to do the thinking for others. "That's nonsense! I
couldn't have happened!" and so on. Before you allow someone else to do your thinking
for you however, consider that to develop the courage of your convictions you will have to
do your own thinking. It takes no courage to allow someone else to tell you how to think.
But will that course of action serve you at all in this world, and particularly in the
midst of your difficult trials in life and death?
Some say that the source is biased and therefore not worth considering. Indeed the pot
(so-called Jagannath das) is now trying to call the kettle black. This person has
absolutely no credibility, or even less, to those who know him, but he does have a loud
voice. If this matter were to be judged solely on hyperbole and bombastic claims, then the
critics have now got the right man in their corner (even though they previously
discredited him). As though those who shout the loudest will somehow sway the truth to
their way like a sail obliges the wind. If the present day members of the society have all
become mindless followers, as the cult critics claim, then this issue will be determined
by lies, misdirected arguments, and character assassination. But for those who still have
a mind and are able to use it, and who have any love for Srila Prabhupada and concern for
the future of the mission which he started, they must think for themselves and look at the
evidence offered.
Jagannath has recently posted volumes on Chakra and VNN supposedly regarding his role in
the so-called Poison CD and is now revealing everything. But these "revelations"
are nothing at all, if not subterfuge. In my experience, and I was there, everything
Jagannath states in internet posts concerning myself and my activities at his house are
misrepresented, including his ridiculous attempts to make me look bad. (There is no
football in January when I was there, etc). He had very little input into the content of
the CD other than to edit for delivery what I had written in collaboration with others.
Because of his experience at speaking he does have a good recording voice and that is why
he was chosen to be the narrator. That was his only role. But because he was too proud to
accept any suggestion of altering his delivery, Nityananda, Rocan and myself found the
recording to be too pompous and therefore unpalatable. And because the manner in which he
delivered the message was considered unattractive, and thus detracting from the content,
the CD was never released.
I had practically no discussion with him regarding the content or my discussions with
others, what to speak of hours and hours every day. Given his proud and boastful remarks
of being a great writer he undoubtedly felt slighted by my indifference to him, and now he
speaks ill of me for revenge.
At the time we were preparing this work I had only done a small amount of Reverse Speech
analysis, enough to convince me that this issue was genuine, and I certainly had no
intention of adding any of that to the original CD. Nor was it something I asked him to
include on the CD since he was not controlling the content. Subsequently I have finished a
very thorough investigation using the tool of Reverse Speech, of which I will mention more
later.
Jagannath's remarks about being asked to edit the tapes is more ridiculousness. He
couldn't do such a thing because at that time he didn't even know how to control his dat
machine. So why would anyone bother asking him? The controls of his recording equipment
were all set by his sound engineer, and after I had inadvertently changed some of them he
went into a 30 minute tirade of explosive anger filled with expletives because he didn't
know how to properly set them back. Recordings were made at Jagannath's house, and all of
the sound mastering was done nearby by Mr. St. Onge in his sound studio.
Why Jagannath has become another voice attempting to control the opinions and actions of
others is unknown to me. But why should anyone let another, be it Jagannath or the GBC,
decide this matter for them at all? The intelligent person is going to hear the evidence
and make up their own mind.
Nityananda Prabhu took the outline of the material we had created for the CD and developed
it into a very thorough document which he has published for everyone to study. That was
the initial intention of the CD and it is the intention of the book. Despite what some may
say this is not, nor has it ever been, an issue about ISKCON. It is an issue about
Prabhupada and what happened to him in the last 12-18 months on this planet. And it is an
issue which obviously involves those who were close to him at the time.
The book is well written and all of the information is documented. If there is a problem
with the documentation then lets hear it. However, to my knowledge nobody is criticizing
the documentation. What could be that mean other than someone is afraid of the message and
is trying to discredit it by attacking the messenger. This is an old ploy, one well
understood by anyone with even a little experience in this world, and it should raise a
flag of concern for anyone paying attention to this issue. Indeed, it should make you want
to see what they are trying to distract you from.
This is the first of three parts I am writing as an introduction to my study of this
ghastly affair. In the next part I take the reader through an examination of the
implications to all devotees and to the institution of ISKCON if we do not thoroughly
investigate this matter. In the third part I present an introduction of my personal
investigation of the events in Srila Prabhupada's last months, utilizing an amazing
phenomena which reveals the mind of the speaker, an investigative tool known as Reverse
Speech.
In Srila Prabhupada's service, I am,
Your servant,
Dhanesvara Das
EDITORIAL
September 20, 1999 VNN
Reply To Jagannath Das's Chakra Article
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BY MAHAVEGAVATI DASI
EDITORIAL, Sep 20 (VNN) — Just to clarify some things from Geoffry Giuliano's,
Jagannath das "Puripada's), most recent post on Chakra, (which was forwarded to me,
and to which I was requested to reply), I will submit below. To start off, Salagram-Sila
Swami, IS my legal name.
At one point, years BEFORE I moved into one of Srila Prabhupada's temples, I was initiated
into another sampradaya. Jeffrey knows this, has known it, and for years has never had any
problem with it, UNTIL I submitted my post to VNN.
Jeffrey has known me for years, and knows this, (although he has NOT spelled it correctly
in his post). He also KNOWS that I have NEVER, before, or now, used the name
"Swamaji", and would NEVER do so in the future. I DO use my legal name
Salagram-Sila Swami for legal and NECESSARY purposes, and many devotees know that THAT is
my legal name.
I know Jeffrey for so many years from his visiting the Buffalo in the 1970s, and when I
returned from Africa where he contacted me through my telphone number listed in the BTG.
For years he always has been asking me to help him out in so many ways, and has, (and
still is), always pushing and harrassing me to come to his place and even move there.
Sadly, I know so many of his "ins and outs", his good side, (what little there
is of it), and his bad.
Within my post, I did not want to hurt his character, (as he hurts himself enough with his
cheating, lying and exploitation of others for his own material purposes). I submitted my
post, without going into detail of his character, because I hoped that that would stop him
from his interference, (through his lying - ONLY for promoting his own name and
"fame"), with the poison issue. For ANYONE to interfere in this issue, for ANY
reason OTHER THAN TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH, is acting VERY demonically, and is POSSESSED of
demoniac consciousness. Obviously this is an issue which is VERY PAINFUL to everyone
involved.
I tried in my post, as best I could to concentrate on the fact that he does have some
attraction to Krsna, and will, (I believe), in the future become serious as he begins to
realize that the material energy has nothing really nice to offer, (as I said, through
getting smashed).
I TRY to concentrate on seeing THAT spark in him. (That is the ONLY reason why I allow
myself to be pushed into going over to his place - to TRY to help him and his family in
Krsna consciousness, DESPITE his cheating, etc.) I feel that if one sees even a spark of
attraction for Krsna in someone, one must try to fan that spark, and help that person with
hopes that the spark will broaden into something more.
Sadly, Jeffrey has succombed to his usual character in this most recent post, and instead
of being honest, has resorted to his usual activity of fabrication.
He KNOWS that I NEVER use, have used nor will use the name "Swamiji".
That is a total lie, and he knows that. There is no way that I would EVER use
"Swamaji" as that belongs, (within my frame of consciousness), to my Eternal
Father, Srila Prabhupada, and to those persons who are REAL Swamajis, such as Srila
Promode Puri Maharaj, Srila Bhakti Ballabh Tirtha Maharaj and Srila Narayan Maharaj, and
others who TRULY represent the sannyas ashram and are indeed DESERVING of the respected
name, "Swamiji".
I will submit Jeffrey's article below and I think I will take the liberty to make some
comments on his post. I will put Jag for Jagannath, (or should I call him Jeffrey as,
despite his LIES in his post - saying that he has chanted 16 rounds and follows all of the
four regulative principles - he does NOT) and mvvd for my comments to his post. Before I
submit his most recent post, I would like to submit a post he submitted some time back to
Chakra, and one email that Jeffrey sent to Rocana prabhu: This first letter can be found
under the Chakra poison page.
Srila Puripada Replies
A letter from Srila Jagannatha Dasa Puripada
Dear Sirs,
My career as an author is well know to many in ISKCON. Why not ask your sponsor Mukunda
Maharaja about my work DARK HORSE / THE PRIVATE LIFE OF GEORGE HARRISON?
As for my work as a spiritual teacher I am not at all under the authority of your
so-called GBC and will do whatever I and the board of SRI feel is proper to assist in
spreading Srila Prabhupada's movement.
At least we are not child molesters, drug addicts, murderers and cheats like so many of
your imposter gurus.
I honestly hope we can put all this name calling aside and get down to the ocean of
Krishna Seva before us.
In Service,
Srila Jagannatha Dasa Puripada
SRI/ The Spiritual Realization Institute
Our sponsor? We at CHAKRA have not been blessed with the good fortune of having Mukunda
Maharaja on our team. óEd.
Also see "Who is Puripada?"
CHAKRA 04-Jun-98
I will NOT make ANY comment on this letter as I will SPARE Jeffrey from the embarrassment
it would cause if I told the truth of the matter.
Jeffrey LIKES to point fingers at others for the very same things that he does himself.
Following is the email that Jeffrey sent to Rocana prabhu:
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:22:11 -0500
To: [email protected] (Rocana dasa)
Subject: Re: Poison
Dear Rocana Dasa Please accept my humble pranams, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada. My
phone number is 716-438-5580 and Fax is 716-438-5483. Our second email address is
[email protected]
Letting ISKCON investigate this matter is like letting the foxes run the chicken house. No
information should be given to them. I fear this Balavanta Investigation is simply a
rubber stamp event. I own a recording studio with all digital computerized equipment worth
about $250,000. I can even record CD's. Two of my karmi associates David St. Onge and Fred
Betchen would do the work. The money is for them. I would advise having a devotee fly in
to witness the examination. Please let me know what would like to do. By the way lets have
a North American Mela here at SRI.
Jagannatha Dasa SRI
(Jeffrey has since changed those telephone numbers since that email to Rocana prabhu.)
Following, is Jeffrey's most recent post to Chakra. (Compare it to his earlier post.)
Incidentally, there is NO "board" for SRI. SRI consists of Jeffrey and his wife,
(and he was TRYING to get me to come there to worship his Deities who are NEVER
worshipped). I went there for Lord Balaram's appearance day, and the SAME plate of bhoga
that was offered on the Jagannath - no, not Jeffrey, although he would like the
"das" to disappear; I mean the REAL Lord Jagannath - alter, was STILL there when
I went to his place on Sept 19th. Despite his being "Puripada", (which IS
printed on his pamphlet for SRI), he does NOT offer his foodstuffs to Krsna. (I guess,
being guru, he feels he doesn't have to since disciples offer bhoga to Krsna through their
respective Guru.)
Jag: Too much VNN - not enough seva
By Jagannatha das
mvvd: Yes, Jeffrey is speaking about himself. Other than rendering seva for his own
selfish purposes, one would have to ask him WHAT seva he does. Yes, he HAS turned two of
the rooms in his mansion into temple rooms, but for WHAT reason other than putting them up
so that 1) he can claim that he does have a temple, (for his own prestige), and a
spiritual institution so that he does not have to pay taxes on the house and land.
(Previously he had his house and land put under the name of his father in law who lives in
another state, so that he would not have to pay ANY taxes on them 2) so that he could
"out do" Ram Raghava when RR was here and had an alter with beautiful
Radha-Krsna Deities. (Jeffrey said, "I can get bigger and better Deities than him,
and I can get more people to come to my place," and then he got his
Radha-Vrndavancandra Murtis from New Vrndavan. Kirtanananda also had a similar mentality.
Krsna is Krsna whether He is "big" or "small" in stature as the Deity,
and just as potent irregardless of external size.)
In terms of "seva" Jeffrey does not even serve his Deities, but rather has tried
to get me to move there to worship Them and cook for Them, (and for him) and to put on a
show for any Indians that might come. He has tried to push me on MANY occasions to move
there, and Krsna has always saved me from getting trapped there. He was again trying to
get me to move there, UNTIL my post on VNN about him, (and I only said VERY LITTLE).
Jag: As with so many tied to their personal conceptions and various collective karmas
there is a trend towards making this poison issue into a cult of personality.
mvvd: atmavan manyate jagat. Who is making that "trend"? From my observations,
Nityananda prabhu and others, (Isa, Mahabuddhi prabhus), are simply trying to present what
it is they have found on the tapes, etc., and are TRYING to FIND OUT if what they have
heard from those tapes and other evidence indeed shows that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned.
Jeffrey's personal conception is himself, himself, and ONLY himself, and HOW to promote
that to others.
Jag: Whether any particular story casts either myself (just Jagannatha, by the way, and
not Puripada)
mvvd: Jeffrey refers to himself as "Puripada" and has even "initiated"
what he calls "disciples" He has a pamphlet about SRI in which he refers to
himself as "Puripada". That pamphlet can be found in the Jagannath temple room,
(UNLESS OF COURSE, Jeffrey gets rid of it due to this post).
Jag: or my worthy adversary Nityananda Dasa as the boogieman is not important.
mvvd: What is the necessity for "boogieman"? (Knowing Jeffrey as I do, when it
REALLY comes down to it, his animosity towards Nityananda prabhu is there ONLY because
Nityananda prabhu has a much nicer and bigger mansion than Jeffrey. Jeffrey is NEVER happy
when someone has bigger and better than him.)
Jag: This is all just the two sides blowing smoke when there is nothing of real import to
say in order to make brownie points with their buddies out their in Cyberville.
mvvd: Then maybe Jeffrey should stop blowing smoke and fire. Those devotees who are trying
to find out if Srila Prabhupada was poisoned, and present what they have found and feel is
evidence, are NOT "blowing smoke". Rather they are TRYING to find out if THE
person who is DEAREST TO THEIR HEART, THAT PERSON WHO HAS GIVEN THEM THE MERCY TO SAVE
THEM FROM THIS MATERIAL WORLD, was taken away from them by envious and malicious
Godbrothers. THAT is NOT "blowing smoke". Because of Jeffrey's LOW
consciousness, which is sunk and stuck in the deep mire of material existance, (concerned
with only his name and fame, although I WILL give him credit in that I DO believe that he
cares for his two younger daughters and has placed them into Gurukula), he will see such
an issue in this light.
Jag: From our venerable Mother Maha (or Saligram Seela Swami as she calls herself
constantly when not within earshot of ISKCON)
mvvd: Salagram-Sila Swami IS my legal name, and MANY ISKCON devotees KNOW that. I normally
use my initiated name, even while in the "karmi" world. Depending upon the
circumstance, I will use either my legal name or my devotee name. When required, I use my
legal name. (I don't see Geoffrey putting his initiated name on his books. Does EVERY
devotee use their initiated name in EVERY circumstance? My legal name, Salagram-Sila Swami
is on my Social Security card, and on my other legal documents because that IS my name.
Jeffrey knows this and has known that for YEARS. As a matter of fact, when I lived in New
Vrindavan and in Columbus Ohio, (July 27, 1997 - May 9, 1999), ALL of my rent receipts
were made out to SALAGRAM-SILA SWAMI because that IS my legal name.)
Funny, Jeffrey lives 45 minutes away from me, does NOT know ANY of my friends, and has NO
association with me other than when he insists that he come and pick me up and bring me to
his house. Thus, Jeffrey, would not know how little or how much I use my legal name.
Jag: right on down to the puffy Puru etc.
mvvd: "Puripada" is no one to talk about "puffy" as he is more puffed
up than any devotees who he points fingers at. Despite his posts on Chakra, he HATES the
GBC, and as with everything and everyone else, he uses them for his OWN advantage. (He
goes to the Gaudiya Math, (just had his daughter initiated by Promode Puri Maharaj), and
went to the IRG meeting in NYC. Then he went to Bir Krsna Maharaj. And Jeffrey REGULARLY
is harassing me, bringing up this devotee and that devotee's name, and asking me if I can
give him the "lowdown" - DIRT - on them.
Jag: all seem to have way too much time on their hands for any serious devotee out their
spreading the word.
mvvd: Seems like the pot calling the kettle black. (Jeffrey would NOT be making this
statement if we were all writing articles to glorify him.) Even when I posted the article
on VNN, concerning Srimate Radharani's qualties by which She controls Krsna, (which was
DIRECTLY taken from Srila Prabhupada's books), Jeffrey poohpoohed the article, thus
DIRECTLY poohpoohing Srimate Radharani Herself. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
When I was doing a REGULAR preaching program here in Buffalo, Jeffrey was upset with that,
and wanted me to stop it, and move to his place to cook and do his bidding there.
Jag: Vaishnavas should not create soap operas around this issue or launch fan clubs for
the public players. I mean, is this now Hare Krishna High School or what? To tread this
path is simply Krishna coated Maya and not at all befitting our divine Gaudiya Vaishnava
Sampradiya. I, for one, therefore refuse to play and hope you more sensible folks out
there will join me in my untypical reserve on this point.
mvvd: Agreed. Therefore you should stay out of what you do NOT know, and let those
devotees who ARE dedicated disciples of Srila Prabhupada discuss the issues because they
DO care, and they DO try their best to follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions. WHEN have
you EVER chanted 16 rounds and followed the four regulative principles, (ALL of them)? As
far as "Hare Krsna High School" goes, at least some of us are in High School.
Beginning nursery school children should not criticize their elders who are following A
LOT more seriously than the nursery schoolers.
Jag: Be advised that my stance on the Poison Lies has not, and could never bring me
anything but a very hard time.
mvvd: Oh really? Seems that most, if not all of ISKCON is supporting the opinion that
Srila Prabhupada was NOT given poison. Seeing your statement from another angle, you are
right; it may very well bring you a "very hard time" because of the offenses
that you are making to Srila Prabhupada and to many other Vaisnavas by USING this issue
for your OWN PERSONAL gains.
Jag: I have come forward ONLY to help disperse this nasty tempest (of Nityananda's making)
and not see my name (or any bastardization of it) up in lights on either VNN or Chakra.
mvvd: ANY devotee who KNOWS you AS YOU ARE, will NOT agree with your above statement. You
do NOT give a damn about Srila Prabhupada or anyone else for that matter, except your own
self, and your extensions.
Jag: Frankly, I am already quite well known in my field and have honestly earned quite a
lot of fuss from my twenty secular books on rock music.
mvvd: Honestly? (What about your telling me how you have "stretched the truth"
and even "out and out lied" in your books, and you, "can't wait until they
drop dead so then I", (meaning you), "can lie about them all I want, and no one
can do anything about it."
Jag: I don't want to be a Krishna celebrity in any sphere thank you.
mvvd: Yes, because you KNOW in ANY sphere, (be it Gaudiya Math, ISKCON, Ritvik, or
otherwise), NO ONE would REALLY accept you. Thus you will try to make yourself the
"Krsna 'celebrity'" by cheating people and promoting yourself as "Srila
Puripada", "guru" of "Sri".
Jag: What I want is the truth and that is exactly what I have given to everyone involved.
The ONLY truth that you have presented is that you personally do not believe that Srila
Prabhupada was given poison. Other than that, (the making of the CD, etc.), you have not
spoken truthfully.
Jag: Maha/Swami is a nice lady. She calls me Puripada to try and make hay on VNN when she
calls herself Swamiji. What up with that Prabhu?
mvvd: I refer to Jeffrey as "Puripada", (and please note, that when I do, I put
it in quotes), because that is what HE is promoting himself as. Now that he is trying to
get buddy buddy with ISKCON, he is taking off the "Puripada" for them.
Jag: I love Maha and always try and help her out but she is two faced (a bit) and very
against ISKCON.
mvvd: I have NEVER asked Jeffrey for ANY "help", but rather he is ALWAYS asking
me to help him in this way or that. As far as my being "against ISKCON", I am
against the MISrepresentation of THAT which Srila Prabhupada has given to us. I am for the
REAL ISKCON that Srila Prabhupada gave us, but I can NOT support that which is a deviation
from that. (Funny thing is that Jeffrey himself is "against ISKCON".)
Jag: In fact she regularly refers to her guru's beloved organization as IT'S GONE or even
IT'S CON.
mvvd: Let's get this correct: I call it ITS GON, or ITS A CON. I do NOT refer to my
"Guru's beloved organization" in that manner, but to the present day's
MISrepresentation of what Srila Prabhupada intended.
I lived and served in Srila Prabhupada's temples DESPITE so many abuses from improper
authorities, and STAYED ONLY because of my love - as much as a conditioned person can have
- for Srila Prabhupada and THAT which HE wwanted.
Jag: In short, yet another sweet, basically well meaning malcontent trying to make a place
in the sun for herself.
mvvd: I stay out of the sun as I do not tan, but rather get sunburned.
I personally do NOT give a hoot for a position, but if there is fire in the math, I will
call out a warning, and I will risk getting burned in doing so.
Jag: Still, I don't in anyway dislike her as her heart is about as big as any I have ever
seen in this Bhakti pursuit.
mvvd: Well, let's see what the good ole boy says AFTER he sees this.
After the last post, he sent me the following email and even tried to falsely accuse me of
stealing. (As Jeffrey knows, (since he has gone through my bag many times that I have come
there, (even on occasion, ALL of my laksmi was taken EXCEPT for the change) I could NEVER
have "stolen" anything because my bag is ALWAYS left lying here or there in open
view, where ANYONE can go through it to see what I have (and don't have).
Jeffrey's email to me IMMEDIATELY sent on the day the post on VNN appeared.
--- Jagannatha Dasa wrote:
> Maha,
>
> Your article is fine, I can match anyone with words.
> You STOLE that
> Bhaktisiddhanta cloth from the SRI temple. It is the
> second time (that I
> know of) that you have thus stolen from here
>
> The sad fact is that you are mad. This I cannot
> forgive you for so we
> are forever done. Remember, it was YOU who did this.
> And only you must
> bear the burden.
>
> I really wish you well. Take care but please do
> not contact us again.
>
> Jagannatha Dasa
> For and on behalf of SRI
>
> Please bookmark our websites:
> http://www.neonblue.com/sri
> http://www.neonblue.com/indigo
> Would you also kindly add us to your links?
Believe it or not, as soon as I got to my apartment, I had to answer the telephone, and it
was Jeffrey telling me that he wanted me to come to his place to cook because he was
having guests. When I asked him, (in shock as he had NEVER said anything to me at ANY
time), about the "first" time that I had SUPPOSEDLY "stolen from
here", he said that I had taken a wooden tilok marker. I was totally amazed.
Jeffrey has told me over the years that little things are always regularly
"disappearing" from his mansion. As to whether they "disappear" or he
misplaces them, I have no idea. But it was funny how his accusation came IMMEDIATELY after
he saw my post on VNN.
Jag: I see the good there and let the rest sort of drift by.
mvvd: Funny, sounds like what I said about him in my post on VNN, and Jeffrey KNOWS that
that is the EXACT way that I relate to him. (He KNOWS how he has stolen from me, EVEN
AFTER I GAVE HIM A WOOLEN CHADDAR THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA'S HAD USED.)
Jag: I've only brought her to task today for tryng to push forward her obviously
pro-poison stance by having a little go at me. Naughty indeed!
mvvd: Look at Jagannath's email to me. He said "The article is fine." (Of course
there is the addition, his "threat", "I can match anyone with words,"
but can you MATCH them with TRUTH?)
Jag: Finally, the larger truth, as I said, is quite another kettle of kitri: Srila
Prabhupada was not poisoned, Nitya is a spoiled child who wants yet more marbles, I am not
Puripada to my Godbrothers and Sri Krsna is God!
mvvd: Why don't you let KRSNA judge Nityananda prabhu, and you keep out of it? If
Nityananda prabhu is guilty of tampering and "trying to mess over with the devotees'
heads", then Krsna will obviously take him to task. And if you are being dishonest,
using this issue to promote your own name and fame, then Krsna, in HIS OWN sweet time,
will give you your just reaction.
Yes, you are NOT Puripada to Srila Prabhupada's disciples, nor to devotees of the Gaudiya
Math or of the Ritvik, devotees, (since you took initiation from Mongul Niloy Maharaj, and
then later took a ritvik initiation from someone in Vrndavan). NO ONE in ANY frame of
proper understanding of Krsna consciousness would recognize your SELF GIVEN
"title" of "Puripada". At least you have one thing right in your
words, SRI KRSNA IS GOD, (and YOU are HIS servant).
Jag: Now can we all just get along please!
mvvd: That would be VERY nice.
Jag: Happy Birthday Srimati Radharani!
mvvd: Don't you think THIS SHOULD have come FIRST?
In Krsna Seva
Jagannatha Dasa SRI
I remain your servant,
Mahavegavati Dasi Hare Krsna
PS: I do not know if VNN will print this as Jeffrey, (when he called me to scream at me
over the telephone), told me that I had "better not submit anything else about
him...VNN will not print anything as I got my lawyer on them around a year ago when they
printed something about me that I did not like..." Now whether that is true or not, I
do not know, but that is what he said.
From: pada
Subject: August news
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999
EDITOR's NOTE:
CHAKRA is now defending the GBC with the poison issue quoting from their new authority,
Jagganatha dasa puripada, a man they highly criticized a few years back when he supported
the poison issue and helped make a very damning (for the GBC) audio CD. Mr. Puripada NOW
claims the whole thing he perpetrated is a hoax.
Well, if he KNEW he was making a HOAX, what kind of a man creats a cruel hoax that the
spiritual master is being poisoned? Maybe he did not feel it was a hoax for the past two
years but has now changed over to support the poisoners for some odd reasons known only to
himself? Besides, as CHAKRA originally stated when they formerly criticized Puripada, how
can we trust a man who gives himself the "pada" title of an acharya?
Hasn't the GBC de facto said that the only person who can use pada is --pada? And if Mr.
puripada is really an acharya, and is fit for that title, then why does he now admt that
he knowingly lied for the past two years? What kind of rational or caring person knowingly
spreads lies that a saint has been poisoned? What is the real story here? Any
suggestions?
From: [email protected] ([email protected])
Subject: Narayana Maharaja groupie writes + Rocana
Newsgroups: alt.religion.vaisnava
Date: 1999/09/11
2) ROCANA WRITES
From: Rocana dasa <[email protected]>
Dear Puranjana dasa
Please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I haven't really
made contact with you for, I don't know how long. I do look forward to and thoroughly read
your newsletters. Very Creative. Others may find fault but I am usually in full agreement.
You are playing your important part in the big drama.
I apologize if I have offended you in the past with my presumptuously critical behavior.
As you are no doubt aware, Chakra has been featuring the so-called "Puripada"
Jagannatha dasa. The previously condemned is now their favorite supporter. ISKCON/GBC
tries to distance itself from their Gaudha matha rivals, although we know them to be
clones. Puripada is a 100% Gaudha matha product. Initiated as Jagannatha and
rubber-stamped as Puripada. In fact, he added that latest pompous title to his already
absurd personae directly after making the poison CD. He never lived in an ISKCON temple
nor ever contributed to Srila Prabhupada's society.
He and his weird family were standing jokes when he occasionally visited the Toronto
temple and devotees in Buffalo think is a crazy kook. Back in late 1997, He heard via the
Internet about IVC's idea to produce a CD and unsolicidously volunteered to allow us to
utilize his studio. Please read the attached e-mail [below]. Within it he requests money
exclusively for paying for other professionals. That proved to be a total falsehood.
In fact, he pocketed most of the cash. He waited until the project was well under way then
demanded he be handsomely compensated although he initially said he was donating falility
and time. During the process, actually robbed and cheated us of a lot of money. He
[Jagannatha] wanted full control over finishing the CD so he physically booted Dhanesvara
out on to the street. Directly after completing the CD, he jumped on a plane for INDIA for
the purpose of collecting his Puripada title, without sending us the product.
In the end, We never received the final product nor the master tape what to speak of all
our working copies. If it weren't for the honesty of the studio owner, who like everyone
else in Lockport, strongly disliked this obnoxious character, we would have never received
a copy. After his return weeks later, he manufactured the lame excuse that his Indian born
and imported resident "devotees" absconded with some of his equipment and our
master CD. Unbeknownst to him, we had already listened to the studio copy and concluded
that Jagannatha had so distorted and dramatized the original storyboard written by
Dhanesvara that it was not fit to release under the IVC.
Suspiciously, ISKCON began making pro-active propaganda against the CD even though they
could only have heard it from the stolen master copy. IVC never participated nor endorsed
the distribution of the CD. Naturally, it did circulate but as far as I know not widely.
Other than doing the professional "voice" and re-writing some parts near the end
Puri-fraud had no hand in the creation of any part of the production to which he is now
claiming. Namely altering something? What he doesn't really explain and we certainly don't
know what he is refering to.
I can without hesitation accuse him of being an unabashed liar and unprincipled
opportunist. His recent antics are a blatent attempt to gain the favor of the ISKCON
higher-ups. Why! So that he can fly the ISKCON flag over his failing pathetic ashram and
thus try to "save the day" by gaining some badly needed but not disserved
credibility as a Srila Prabhupada follower. ISKCON , as he had calculated, gave him the
recognition he was seeking. He is a crafty marketer and will squeeze any person or
situation for his selfish interests.
ISKCON/Chakra must indeed a desperate lot of fools to "get in bed" with the
likes of this professional clown. I thought you could make something out of this
information. There is a much more elaborate version of the events surrounding the
actual making of the CD. Dhanesvara and Nityananda can tell that story better than I. I'm
not sure I want this entire correspondense published. In fact if you could kindl y email
the final copy of what you want to put-up before you send it out. I would appreciate it.
Can you give me Yasoda nanda's contact information. By the way, my internet sites correct
URL is harekrsna.com . I am finally going to have the time to re-activate the site, very
soon.
Below are two emails which prove my points.
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:22:11 -0500
To: [email protected] (Rocana dasa)
Subject: Re: Poison
Dear Rocana Dasa
Please accept my humble pranams, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada. My
phone number is 716-438-5580 and Fax is 716-438-5483. Our second email
address is [email protected]
Letting ISKCON investigate this matter is like letting the foxes run
the chicken house. No information should be given to them. I fear this
Balavanta Investigation is simply a rubber stamp event. I own a
recording studio with all digital computerized equipment worth about
$250,000. I can even record CD's. Two of my karmi associates David St.
Onge and Fred Betchen would do the work. The money is for them. I
would advise having a devotee fly in to witness the examination.
Please let me know what would like to do. By the way lets have a North
American Mela here at SRI.
Jagannatha Dasa
SRI
The unedited one below demonstrates his real charter and was sent to me after I challenged
his ridiculous story about the missing master copy. Birds of a feather flock together.
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:56:09 -0400
To: [email protected] (Rocana dasa)
Subject: Re: Where is the police report?
X-Loop: Island Net PEP Version 2.007
Fuck you asshole...
and
Call Captain Neil Merit Lockport, New York Police or Joe Kelly Buffalo
FBI if you need something to do. They will advise you of my timely and
lawful reporting of the theft...
and
Mr. Usedcarsalesmanlivingoffhisunattractivewifey
Like I said you libel I sue. Go for it Gomer....
and above all
Go fuck yourself. If I had to choose between your sad little power
games and ISKCON I'm with them! and really and truly...
your wife doesn't like you to touch her.
Grown up,
Srila Jagannatha Dasa Puripada
Founder SRI International
I just don't care man! Fuck off and do what thou wilt.
From: [email protected] ([email protected])
Subject: Narayan Maharaja/ Puripada et al.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.vaisnava
Date: 2003-06-28 16:48:04 PST
4) PURIPADA by BIF
Dear PADA,
Thank you kindly, for your Newsletter and up-to-date information of ongoing events. Your
latest posting contained an expose of a character called 'Puripada'. We, here at BIF are
very grateful to Mahavegavati Mata for this enlightening piece of key work. Puripada has
been used in the GBC book 'Not That I am Poisoned" (NTIP) as another 'expert' to
silence the passion of truth with answers that have the weight of undisputed authority. He
now joins the list of lies and liars who form the spine for the GBC publication (NTIP).
On page 257, Appendix 10 of the book (NTIP), the title reads, "The Inside Story of
the Poison CD". A revealing expose by Jagannatha Dasa." A few lines into the
'expose', Jagannatha (aka. Puripada) tells us "I've had a nice career in book
publishing (he paraphrases this statement often in his 'expose'). My secular name is
Geoffery Giuliano." What he fails to tell us is that he is a pathological liar. His
publication: "Dark Horse- the secret life of George Harrison", contained so much
blatant untruths that Harrison wanted to sue him for $600,000,000. Mahavegavati Mata's
revelations give us a behind-the-scene look at this shady character: (quote) "Jeffrey
told me that George Harrison had stopped the suit. Jeffrey later told me how he had lied
in some of his books and articles to different tabloids ("Enquirer,"
"Star," etc.) about some of the "facts" that he wrote in those
biographies. He added that he "could not wait until all of the Beatles and the other
rock stars dropped dead" explaining, "because then I can write whatever I want
about them and after they're dead, none of them can sue me" (unquote).
Geoffrey Giuliano, aka Jagannatha das, aka Puripada, has since been exposed on the
internet (CHAKRA, VNN, PADA) for the "Hospital Charity" scam and other
fraudulent behaviour. These scams are also studded with bi-sexual promiscuity.
Mahavegavati DD "(quote) " according to him - his having had sex with 43 women
in those two years since his initiation...[...]....the sons of the shopkeepers (all
teenagers, approximately 16-18 years of age) confided in me about Jeffrey's having asked
them if they would have sex with him, his offering to pay them in US dollars"
(unquote). So it becomes apparent that the GBC has used another degenerate to validate
their bogus book. But the question that comes to mind immediately is why has the GBC
recruited infamy to help mitigate the poison issue? Is there so little righteousness
amongst them? Or is that anyone with a spark of honesty and love for Srila Prabhupada can
see that the investigation was wilfully squashed, and the issue lies wide open but cloaked
by authority dependant on the facts not being facts?
They insinuated in their book (NTIP, Ch 1) that Larry Kovar from CAA,..."one of the
only labs in the world that does commercial neutron activation..." was an expert,
ipso facto. But when we talked to Mr. Kovar, he said he was not an expert on chronic
arsenic poisoning. Then the GBC book tells us (NTIP, Ch 2) that "Srila Prabhupada's
Surgeon Confirms: Diabetes to Blame" We talked with Dr. McIrvine, he said he only met
His Divine Grace once...he was not Prabhupada's 'personal surgeon', and he never confirmed
Prabhupada's death as being due to diabetes. Then the book tells us (NTIP, Ch 5) that
David Neil was an engineer for a reputable 'digital mastering studio'. Our investigations
showed that Neil was the sole operator, with a secret partner; had no accreditation and;
had since gone out of business.
Part Two of the book brings in the voices of authority to refute the 'absurd 'allegations
of poisoning. It begins on page 113 with the 'testimony' of Abhirama das. He tells us:
"One day in MID OCTOBER, I noticed some coolies delivering some salt bags and a
stretcher...as preparation for a funeral... therefore I asked Srila Prabhupada if I could
be relieved of my duties..." So Abhirama left in OCTOBER. He was not there in
NOVEMBER when Srila Prabhupada left his body; the time most relevant to the case. What
good is his 'testimony'? Next we get a 'testimony' from Anakadundubhi Das. He tells us
(NTIP, pg 119) that Prabhupada said" I have a kidney disease like my father before
me." And that's all he tells us. There is no mention of the poison conversations that
we hear so clearly on audio tape. What good is his 'testimony'? Then we get Bhakti Caru,
who tells us the whole poison allegation is absurd. But it was he who heard Prabhupada
complain that he was being poisoned and said, "Someone has poisoned him here!"
We hear him on tape telling everyone in the room (on several occasions) that he believed
Prabhupada was poisoned. He even said it to devotees outside the room. Now he says it's
absurd. In the face of audio and witness evidence: what good is his 'testimony'? Then
there's Bhakti Tirtha (BT) who was not there, but is used by the GBC to bring his
disciples under thought control by making his 'statement'. What BT gives us is a
philosophical approach to the issue. But what he doesn't give us is the philosophy behind
why he was pinning a devotee woman at about the same time he was penning his 'statement'.
Bogus guru, bogus sannyasi, bogus statement. Then there's "Bhavananda",
......need we say more. Jashomatinandan Das, is next (NTIP, pg 139). He was not there but
gives us his supreme thoughts on the matter, which are so off-the-wall they hardly bear
mention. It defeats anything Jashomati can think up when we realise that it was the same
mind he used to beat and torture his wife; a mother (a truly angelic; full on devotee).
Then there's Jayadvita-wanna-be-Vyasa. What he says is, "It pains me when those I saw
serving His Divine Grace with extraordinary devotion and love are made out to be devious
killers" (pg 143/44). What this tells us is that 'devious killers', according to
Jayadvita, would need to wear a cloak and mask before he certifies them devious. And this
is the extraordinary truth that reveals the stupidity behind the rationale. All of these
elevated, intelligent leaders, are so sure about nothing that makes any earthly sense. And
they hang out with, and promote, company a pig would walk away from. Look at this Puripada
fellow. Just hear (below) how he lies in the GBC book "Not That I am Poisoned",
and the GBC endorsed it as truth, as they did the rest of the book. And this story below
is endorsed by Bir Krishna no less. He is the GBC's current/official investigator into
deviations.
This is a story told by this Jagannatha/Geoffery/Puripada fellow (... "spoken to Bir
Krishna Goswami in Sept. 1999") on page 258/259 of NTIP: (quote) "And you
couldn't even get on the first step; it was completely jammed with devotees. So again I
thought, "Well, what chance have I got? I'm never going to be able to see
Prabhupada"....I thought ,"Well I wont have that opportunity"....So I went
back down into a room. I believe- I'm going to guess now- that it was not the temple room
but some adjacent room in Bury place, probably a prasadam room. And I stood there alone,
just kind of standing there in this empty room, and lo and behold, about ten minutes
later, and I have no idea how this occurred, why this occurred. Was it mystical." How
did he get down those stairs without everybody following him? To my knowledge there was
only one stairwell in Bury Place, But Srila Prabhupada walked in absolutely alone, no one
was with him at all, he walked up to me, he said, as God is my witness, these words.
"You will go back to home." And I said, "Back to Godhead?" and he went
"Jaya", and put his head back in that regal kingly way that he had about
him" (unquote).
So what is very interesting about this story is that His Divine Grace did a jantra mantra
only for Puripada. There is no record of Srila Prabhupada having done this
appearing/disappearing trick for anyone else. This makes Puri wallah very special indeed.
Another point is that Srila Prabhupada waited till this Puripada/Jagannatha/Giuliano was
alone. He says above, "as God is my witness"; so why was God the only witness?
Why not anyone else? He also tells us (above), "I believe- I'm going to guess now-
that it was not the temple room but some adjacent room in Bury place, probably a prasadam
room." So he doesn't remember where exactly this most amazing miracle occurred, but
then he tells us three lines later (quote), "...and low and behold, about ten minutes
later...."(unquote). Well Mr. Puripada, don't you think it's strange that you
remember the ten minutes you were there, but cannot remember where you were? You remember
the time to the minute, but forget the place completely. How is that? This is called
'selective memory'. What it sounds like is that one can go into the memory and select
anything he desires. But what it really means is that the selector can even create memory
that is non existent, or mix-n-match for convenience. Just like the formulae used for
'"Dark Horse- the secret life of George Harrison"; the selective memory process
that nearly had our Puri wallah scratching digits on a cell wall.
Further he says: (quote) "I met Srila Prabhupada in London in 1971 and it was at Bury
place" (unquote). The same time the incident noted above was alleged to have taken
place. So the natural point of interest is: if he had had such a wonderfully personal and
unique experience with His Divine Grace, then he would have taken initiation that very
same year, or in the next year at least. We looked through all the information that this
'special' devotee had divulged in his 'expose', but we could not find the year of his
initiation. He had carefully evaded disclosing this important aspect of his history. What
we have just discovered is: (quote) "I know Jeffrey Juliano very well...Jeffrey
himself ALSO directly told me at that time, that since his initiation two years before,
(in 1988)..." (unquote). This leaves us wondering why Puripada (or whatever), waited
after His Divine Grace had disappeared 11 years before taking initiation? Or is his story
above nothing more than another Dark Horse- the secret life of Geoffery Giuliano? And did
Bir Krishna, as did the rest of the GBC, be in such a hurry to squash the poison
investigation that they endorsed anyone or anything that even remotely added weight to
their case? The book NTIP, and the equivocation it proffers, certainly leaves no room for
doubt in this regard.
Anyway, the reason we are undertaking this exercise is to prove to devotees that the
poison issue was never 'investigated' by those who knew what to look for, or where to look
for it. There was never a committee to discuss where/what/when/who/why/or how. Further, to
put it in perspective: the investigation was smothered by authority before it ever got off
the ground. Like the 'heavies' who 'testified' to nothing (as shown in para. 4). We are
releasing a publication with audio CD (to be offered to Srila Prabhupada on his Appearance
Day). It will put the facts of our Spiritual Father's passing before our brothers and
sisters, so they may also feel the onus for reopening the investigation that never was.
Our position is that we need no financial assistance from the GBC. All that we require is
the complete and undeviating backing of all devotees in demanding our Civil Right to
conduct a full and unhampered investigation into the disappearance of His Divine Grace.
The GBC, on their part, should supply us with a letter of authority that instructs all
ISKCON members (including gurus/GBC) and their affiliates to fully assist us, so that we
can, in a mood of cooperation, bring this matter to a final and irrefutable conclusion.
Our only condition is that a full report of the investigation; the ground covered and
direction, be published as a monthly report on our website so all can see. There, what is
so sinister or deviant about that? YS BIF
From: Michael Balarama ([email protected])
Subject: confessions of the poison tape creator
Newsgroups: alt.religion.vaisnava
Date: 1999/11/04
Prabhus,
PAMHO.ALGTSP.
The poison tape is 100% fraud...here is the truth by the devotee who helped make it.
I applaud and thank his honesty in coming forward to clear this matter up
your servant,
Pandava vijaya dasa
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Narrator of "Poison CD" declares hoax
By Jagannatha Dasa "Puripada"
CHAKRA (USA) - August 18, 1999: I was on the "inside" of the poison paranoia via
Rochana and company since almost day one. I co-wrote, narrated and produced the now
infamous poison CD, talked extensively with all the pro-poison big guns and subsequently
carefully went through the poorly written book by Nityananda Prabhu and I can tell you it
is all false propaganda spun out to try and feed the personal agendas of the principals.
In short, his devotees or anyone else did NOT poison Srila Prabhupada and no one knows it
better than the self-serving spin doctors behind this most unforgivable and evil lie.
On several occasions Rochana bragged to me about his contacts with a former producer of
the Johnny Carson Show who was going to network with him to sell the story to Hollywood as
a documentary for big money. Nityananda, on the other hand, is a confirmed junior varsity
Vaishnava who curses his luck at not having risen high enough or fast enough to actually
yield any real influence in ISKCON. The purity of these men's quest is not in discovering
the truth about anything, but rather, using this self-created hot potato to try and push
themselves forward as the leaders they were never meant, and are certainly not qualified
to be.
As for me, I would like to publicly apologize to any of my god brothers and sisters whose
minds and hearts were hurt by this fraud and declare that as a person at ground zero of
this cruel hoax it is as empty and heartless as the black hearts who knowingly invented
it. Yours in Krsna Seva, Jagannatha Dasa
SRI/The Spiritual Realization Institute
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“...I was asked by Nityananda Prabhu to falsify the taped 'evidence' by editing it in
such a way that it might seem both more damaging and credible to ISKCON's rank and
file.”
— JAGANNATHA DASA
Church of the poisoned mind
By Jagannatha dasa
CHAKRA (Lockport, New York) - After undergoing the experience of working with devotee
mobsters Rochana Dasa and
Nityananda Prabhu I quite rightfully took a few months to reflect on the events I
experienced while drawn into their web of lies, innuendo and half truth which is the
hallmark of the professional agitator.
At first their passionate presentation of the “facts” seemed both credible and
alluring and thus, I offered my services to help champion their seemingly laudable cause.
Slowly, however, the actual agenda of these two began to seep out which led to my ejection
of one of their pathetic minions from our SRI center in Buffalo. And now, after much
careful consideration I feel the time is right to FULLY expose the deliberate,
pre-meditated fraud these men were out to sell to our worldwide family of already fairly
traumatized devotees.
When preparing the “Poison CD”, I was asked point blank by Nityananda Prabhu to
falsify the taped “evidence” by editing it in such a way that it might seem both
more damaging and credible to ISKCON’s rank and file. A few words seemlessly shuffled
about here and there and suddenly, one dangling scrap of audio becomes a very different
animal. For those not familiar with digital audio editing
the fact is you can make a person say ANYTHING going so far as moving syllables and even
breathes to make an edit go your way. That is why, by the way, audio tape is almost always
not admissible in a court of law. Far too unreliable.
Finally, I want the world to know that this entire campaign of terror was designed to help
bring about the fall of our divine Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya and establish the
counterfeit philosophy of a few twisted men dedicated to the assumption of power at any
cost. It is that terrible eventuality which has prompted me to finally speak out.
Therefore I humbly request that this entire poison issue be seen as the Trojan Horse it is
and that it’s architects be finally and forever exposed.
In Krishna Seva,
Sriman Jagannatha Dasa Adikari
SRI / The Spiritual Realization Institute Sri Puri Dhama Vaishnava Community Lockport, New
York