Friday September 4, 1998 20 Messages ======================================== From: WORKPARK@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 04:46:16 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Poncho & Jodi Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Angela, First of all, did the vet say anything about having Jodi's teeth cleaned? I know this is another expense, but getting them cleaned, at least yearly, is a way to prevent future problems. Lai-Tai is missing about ten teeth now, and she lost those within her first two years of life because of the bad oral hygiene she had before we got her. WE had to do cleanings every six months for a while there, but she is now back to yearly maintenance cleanings with a much healthier mouth. As for the DMG, it is an amino acid that stimulates the reproduction of T- cells. I believe I wrote about it on the FeLV info sheet. You can get it in liquid form, it's easier to give to Poncho that way from KV Vet Supply. Pam ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: "Felv" Subject: poncho &Jodi Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:01:42 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Angela, I'm glad to hear that Poncho is doing well! Hopefully Jodi will eat better once her gums clear up and once her ear infection is better. Good Luck! Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: "Felv" Subject: Arlene Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:11:14 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Arlene, I think you have described how we all feel about our babies. I still look for my Tut in the window & when I come home from work I want to run to see him. Right now the hardest thing is seeing that empty window and I still look around for him. I too stay on the list because you all feel the same as I do about our babies. I couldn't have made it through this without all of you! Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "zimmerman" To: "felvtalk" Subject: Re: Poncho & Jodi Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:33:37 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hey Angela, I use and believe in DMG. If you're interested in Vetri-Liquid DMG it's in the KV Vet catalog- 30 ml. $8, 120 ml. $25. Coenzyme Q10 (in KV 100x10 mg- $15) helps treat periodontal disease, so it could help Jodi. Also, Prozyme enhances the caloric and nutritional efficiency of food so it could benefit your cats. You add 1/4 tsp. per cup of food, I use a Rubbermaid bowl to coat dry food. KV has the 200 gm jar (treats 160 cups of food) for $13 and the 454 gm jar for $20. Prozyme has a money back guarantee if you don't see improvement in 6 weeks. My cats all get it and they're solid and have good coats. Something I've noticed since I've been using Prozyme - less poop:), I think this is a sign of proper digestion. And can't we all do with less of that in our lives:) Beth ---------------------------------------- From: "Moermond, Barbara" To: "'felvtalk@mailinglist.net'" Subject: ninja Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:26:12 -0500 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I think it's going to be next week. She's eaten less and less as the week has passed and she hasn't had a bowel movement since Tuesday night. I've doubled her prednisone dose in hopes of increasing her appetite a bit and haven't had time to get to my pharmacy. They have a great holistic section and are really cool. From our tummy rubs, the mass feels larger just in the past couple days. She DID jump up on the bed last night and also spent some time on her rocking chair. I have folded up blankets and pillows spread around the floor and I left the closet door open for her so she'll have a nice dark place to retreat to. I keep telling her I love her and that if it's too hard for her to keep fighting that it's OK and she can let go. Our vet is going out of town this weekend, so if I need to make the call, I'm going to leave a message that I'll need her ASAP on Tuesday. Either way, I'll be touching base with her on Tuesday to let her know how Ninja's doing. I'm bawling right now. The hardest part of this is deciding when. It seems deliberate and cold even though I know it's not. Like I told the vet, knowing that I'll get through this and actually getting through it are two entirely different things. Thank you all so much for being here!! I don't think I would be dealing with this as well as I am (relatively speaking:-)) without you. This list is truly a blessing. Barb+Ninja ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:37:03 -0400 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Angela Holderby Subject: Re: ninja Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net >knowing that I'll get through this and actually getting through it >are two entirely different things. Dear Barb: You will. And you may surprise yourself...as I have said before. I felt that watching the suffering is worse than 'the decision'. We love them so much that once they start to visibly suffer, the decision is already made, we just have to follow through with it. >Thank you all so much for being here!! I don't think I would be dealing >with this as well as I am (relatively speaking:-)) without you. This >list is truly a blessing. Barb, we are here for you. Feel free to write to me any time and I will listen and sympathize and empathize and cry with you. We've all been there at one time or another and we truly understand how you are feeling right now. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Angela (and Poncho & Jodi) ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:48:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Poncho & Jodi Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Angela, First of all, it is wonderful that you found caring vets that are so interested in the new methods. This is very encouraging for all of us! Hopefully, Jodi's gums will heal and she will be eating again and back to her *generous* weight. Glad to hear Poncho is doing well. Hopefully, her anemia will be helped by the Pet Tinnic and/or ambrotose. I too do not want you to have to experience any more loss so soon after Lefty, and I know exactly how you feel. The other night I looked at Jake--it was some hours after I gave him an appetite stimulant (and as usual, he was gobbling down food--thank God or whomever!). I thought if only he could eat this well on his own, although I'm thank the stimulants help so much. Then for a second I thought about losing him, and I thought there is no way after losing Panther is still so fresh in my mind. I just couldn't entertain that thought any further. Fingers and paws crossed for all three of you! Nancy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:54:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: HK Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Arlene, After reading your post to Barb about Ninja, I got tears in my eyes for I know (we all do) what you are going through over your loss of Howling Kitty. I still cry occasionally over Panther. He was more than a cat to me--he was a friend--an intuitive, loving friend. I have six other cats and although I love them dearly and am closer to some more than others, no one can ever replace my beloved Panny. Please know that you are in my thoughts. Nancy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:59:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: "'felvtalk@mailinglist.net'" Subject: Re: ninja Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, I'm so sorry about Ninja. Please know that you both are in my thoughts. I know how difficult this is. Nancy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:01:21 +0200 From: Christina Marie Hayton To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: ninja Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Barbara! I found this poem, and thought of you and your trials. God hath not promised Skies always blue, Flower-strewn pathways All our lives through; God hath not promised Sun without rain, Joy without sorrow, Peace without pain. But God hath promised Strength for the day, Rest for the labor, Light for the way. Grace for the trials, Help from above, Unfailing sympathy Undying love... You are in my thoughts and prayers in a special way these next days - you will get through it! Cyber hug, Christina Hayton ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:48:25 -0500 From: Gabriela Mendez Perez Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services To: "felvtalk@MailingList.net" Subject: Re: Ninja Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb-- As tough as this decision is for you, it nevertheless is one that shows the depth of your love and commitment to Ninja. That cold, deliberate feeling is natural and normal. You may feel it for a while, feel that you made decisions based on something other than your heart, but really--it is your heart that is telling you the right thing to do. It's just that it's breaking at the moment and doesn't want to acknowledge the difficult action you are having to take. Ninja is very fortunate to have a great friend in you. We are all here to support both of you. This is indeed an incredible group of people who will willingly share your grief and help you find a way through it. Even in a short period of time, that much is very obvious to me. Best to you, Gabby and los gatos fregados ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:50:56 -0400 From: Kathy Giddings To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: ninja Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Our thoughts are with you. Can you get to a vet and get some Periactin to stimulate the appetite??? 1/4 to 1/2 a 4 mg tablet should get her eating quite quickly - at least it did my Rusty. We're all here and pulling for you and your precious Ninja! Hugs for you and soft pawpats for Ninja. Kathy G and the 3 Furries in Daytona Beach =^.^= - Rusty =^.^= - Smokey =^.^= - Money See us at: http://cgi.gambitsys.com/homey/webdoc5.htm The Cat: Mother Nature's Masterpiece! ---------------------------------------- From: GinaTex@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:07:09 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: ninja Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb We are all here for you. You are right this is a wonderful group of people who are compasionate and caring. It certainly helped me when we where going thru with this with Rubin. You may find it hard to believe but you will get thru this. I found it harder to watch Rubin suffer than to go thru with the euthansia. I did not think I could go thru with it, my legs where spagetti going into the office and I was bawling. But Afterwards I even found some sort of sense of relief, relief for him knowing that he did not have to fight anymore for me or himself or to suffer, his last few days where horrible. Know that you are giving her the greatest gift you could offer. You are in our thoughts and prayers. Enjoy your weekend with her. Take Care Gina ---------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Re: Ninja Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:12:34 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, the closet evokes memories of my li'l girl, at the end stage of her short journey... sadly, so many of us have been where you are now, touching Ninja with all your heart.. You're both in my prayers, peace & light, ..marilyn.. ---------------------------------------- From: "Moermond, Barbara" To: "'felvtalk@mailinglist.net'" Subject: ninjita Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:33:48 -0500 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Well, I've been more and more worried as the day passes than Ninja won't make it to Tuesday. I'm going to pick up some periactin on my way home and some baby food. I've pretty much made up my mind that Tuesday is going to be the day. Unless she has this amazing recovery. Anything is possible. But with 3 cancers running around in her little body, I'm not going to force her to stick around for me longer than she is comfortable with. I'll be out of the office Tuesday and probably all of Wednesday, so I'll let you guys know what happened on Thursday. Thanks again for being such great folks!!!!! Barb+Ninja ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:04:17 -0400 From: Judy Farinas To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Poncho & Jodi Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Angela, I know how you feel about going through another loss so soon after Lefty. I had a year between Mama & Ashley. And there is nothing like this, I really don't think I could ever go through another loss like this. My thoughts and prayers are with you & Poncho & Jodi. Judy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:17:49 -0400 From: Judy Farinas To: Felv Subject: Arlene: Howling Kitty Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Arlene, Never apologize for what you are feeling right now. I know exactly how you feel, it's still very hard to believe that my babies are gone. I still expect them to come running into the kitchen whenever I open up a can or at my feet when I go to sleep at night. It helps me to remember the good times. If there is anything I can do for you please let me know. I have found that this is a wonderful group of caring people and we all understand because we know how it is we've all been there at one time or another & we all loved our furbabies. Take care, Judy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:22:23 -0400 From: Judy Farinas To: Felv Subject: Barb: Ninja Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, I wish there was something I could say to ease your pain. Believe me when I tell you I know what you are going through. I just had to make that decision with my baby. She was the light of my life and I loved her as much as if I had given birth to her myself. You'll know when the time is right for you & Ninja. You are in my constant thoughts and prayers. Just love her until the end, hold her, mush her, kiss her all over & never let go of the wonderful memories you shared. Let me know if there is anything I could do for you. Judy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:19:57 -0700 From: Francine Prager To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new to the List Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Everyone, Hi Everyone...I'm new to the mailing list, so please let me introduce myself. I'm Francine Prager and my 14 year old Siamese cat, Panda, has feline leukemia. He has lived with it for at least 5 years (that I know of). Some background: He has had mouth and gum sores for many years and has been on antibiotics (Flagyl or Clindradrops) with an occassional squirt of Bene-Bac for what is probably about 9 years now. 3 years ago he stopped eating and drinking. I took him to my local vet who gave him 2 weeks to live. He also suggested I might want to take him to Cornell University for a second opinion (I live in New York State). I was told the same thing at Cornell, probably 2 weeks to live, but it was suggested that I make him more comfortable by force-feeding him and giving him sub-Q fluids. I received instruction in how to give the fluids and armed with a bag of Lactated Ringer & some needles, went home. It was also suggested I try Interferon, which I did. (Actually, he got the Interferon for 3 months, 1 week on, 1 week off, until I heard from Cornell and was told if he didn't start eating on his own the first month, chances are the Interferon wasn't doing anything to help him and I should stop it.) Panda was force-fed three times a day and got the fluids once a day for 8 1/2 months. One day I noticed him drinking on his own, a few days later he ate on his own, and a week or so after that he groomed himself. One month later he started to play! Now, 3 years later he is in trouble again. Although he does not appear to be in pain, the right side of his face has swelled to the point that his right eye is all but closed. My vet feels the cancer has spread to the bone. He is still eating and drinking on his own. He got 1 month of Interferon again (1 week on, 1 week off) but it didn't seem to help. We have recently started giving him Immunoregulin shots (he has received 2 already, with no noticeable improvement. I have heard of supplementing it with Thymus hormone. Has anyone had any experience with this? and what would the correct dosage be? I'm very sorry for the long post...I hope Panda's story gives a bit hope to some of you. And please accept my condolences to those of you who have lost precious babies. I know how horrible it is. Francine Prager and Panda ---------------------------------------- From: "zimmerman" To: Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new to the List Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:45:23 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Francine, Panda's story is inspiring. If you check on the Treatments Page www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ you'll find some information on Acemannan, which if Panda has cancer may be a better choose for him than ImmunoRegulin. The combination of interferon and Acemannan may be best for Panda. Good luck, & Welcome to the list, Beth ---------------------------------------- END