Friday August 28, 1998 22 Messages ======================================== From: WORKPARK@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:02:00 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rissa-Tai isn't doing as well Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all, I'll start out first by thanking everyone for their support, and will try to respond to all of your posts if I can here. She isn't getting "Vital Charge" (what is this) but is getting DepoMedrol. I'm aware of the double whammy in using steroids with this, how it hurts and helps at the same time, but it is stimulating her appetite. She is eating, although not as much, but we're happy to report that she isn't dehydrated and nowhere near the point where she needs SQ or IV fluids. We've tried the nose tap and blowing air in the face with the pills, and both seem to be helping some. She is just a little trickster, has that tongue going even before her jawa are pried open, so it's hard even getting the darn things in there. We've never heard of Ronaxan, but she has only been on both antibiotics since Monday, so we need to give them a little more time to work. As far as the Baytril goes, same thing - we need to give it time before we think about the injectable, and I'm incredibly oogie with needles, so......we're going to try and wait. We were told to avoid Colloidal Silver by the Oncologist, as well as Colloidal Minerals. As far as the other homeopathic remedy, we can't get her to swallow any powders unless it's on her food. Since she isn't eating as much and Lai- Tai insists on eating whatever Ris-Tai has, there's no guarantee we can even get the stuff into her. Lastly, we called the vet this afternoon because she had hidden all morning and she got on the phone immediately since we called (she's great - didn't want us to wait for an answer). She said the antibiotics need at least a week to kill off the parasite, and she has only been on them both since Monday, so we need to give it more time. Also, since her pcv had cut in half down to 23%, that she has less oxygen circulating, so that explains the lethargy. We should have been able to figure that one out ourselves, but starting worrying too quickly I guess. Needless to say, after we called, she came out and let us admire her the rest of the day. We think she might be perking up a little, but I'm not sure if it's wishful thinking for right now or if she's trying or what. But, we are going to try to be more patient and not panic and give the drugs some more time to work. I re-read my info on Hemobart on the info sheet and remembered what I had said about it never going away completely. We knew that it would probably come back at some point, so we just need to stay calm and think pink over here! Actually, we keep telling her to think a very deep, deep red.... Pam (I also have to remember that I am a little less rational and calm as of late thanks to my pregnant hormones right now, so I try to remember that when I start to panic, and attempt to calm down. My dad is also in the hospital again, but he will be ok. We are also talking about putting in a bid for our first house - so there's a lot going on over here. Any wonder why I need to sit down and take a breather? :) ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: "Felv" Subject: Little Mouse Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:12:02 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Cheri, It doesn't take long for them to steal our hearts! I'm so sorry for your lose. Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: "Felv" Subject: kitty Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:15:12 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Kim, My deepest sympathy to you. Kitty will be free of pain and illness now. I'm so sorry. Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: Mouse Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:17:37 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, You are so right!!! Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: "Felv" Subject: Risssa Tai Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:25:34 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, My thoughts and prayers are with you and Rissa Tai . Nan ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:33:04 -0400 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Angela Holderby Subject: Re: Mouse Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I agree. Yesterday Jodi was begging at the table and I looked down and said "Hey there Green Eyes...did you know you're beautiful?"...my 8 year old daughter said "Yeah, but Lefty had beautiful eyes, too." I told her yes, he had beautiful gold eyes, didn't he? and she said..."Yes Mommy, Lefty had golden eyes and a heart of gold...didn't he?" That was the first time in weeks that I had cried over Lefty. Not so much because I missed him--although I still do...very much, but because of what a lasting impression this sweet little black ball of fur made on the lives of me and my family. He wasn't even a year old and he was SO much a part of my family. I don't regret one minute of his time with us. I am glad my children have learned to love animals the way I do. Angela (and Poncho & Jodi) ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: Optimistic Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:35:10 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net christina, thank goodness! I needed some good news. After loosing my precious Tut and reading about all the others that have crossed over this week, or that aren't doing well, I was really depressed. Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: "Felv" Subject: Rissa Tai Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:46:07 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, Sit down and relax with Rissa Tai! I'm Praying for both of you! Nan ---------------------------------------- From: GinaTex@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:59:52 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Super optimistic Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Paula I second that. It is so wonderful to hear the good news about our babies. I feel blessed knowing that my Sophia has never been ill, and to also know that our Rubin lived as long as he did with the disease active. I pray all the time for all the sick kittys to get well and for the healthy ones to remain healthy and for Sophias continued health, and that all my other babies remain FeLv -. Gina ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:01:12 +0200 From: Christina Marie Hayton To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Optimistic Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi list! Thank you all for the messages congratulating us on our news...if anyone can understand our thankfulness, it must be the members of this list! To be totally honest, I wasn't sure if I should mail the list about our good news, since there are so many who have lost cats, or are in the process of doing so. I was afraid that it would make them all the sadder. On the other hand, there hasn't been very much happy news on the list the past days, so I decided that the others would enjoy hearing that there is hope. We all have to keep believing in the care we give - these precious ones need us, and they really are so thankful for the help they get...I can see it in their eyes. I was asked which test they do for FIP here in Scandinavia, and after calling the laboratory in Sweden, I was told it is the ELISA. Keep your heads up!! Christina ---------------------------------------- From: "Donna Carillo" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:20:10 -0500 Subject: Re: stray kits in GA. Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Kat, Thanks for the advice on qustion to ask the potential adopter's. I am hoping they call back today... Thanks, Donna ---------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:30:27 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Optimistic Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I read this out loud to the baby as she was laying here, and the look on her face is "Yeah, I heard ya!" Thanks, Pam, Chuck and Rissa-Tai (Lai-Tai too) ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:38:09 -0400 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Angela Holderby Subject: Re: Optimistic Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I know that feeling. When Lefty was doing well and others were losing their kitties, I felt a twinge of guilt because of my good fortune at the time. I considered not posting all the good stuff, too, but I have found that there is no resentment of others' good news on this list, just rejoicing with them. This is the greatest group of people in the world as far as compassion and understanding goes. We have our moments when we have little (ha ha) cat fights...but it is mostly due to the high level of stress we live with in dealing with this disease. I hope nobody keep their good news to themselves...God knows we need some small victories to keep us going! I can't ever remember a time when I resented hearing good news here--even the day Lefty died, I remember hearing about others who were doing well and not feeling bad. To me the ultimate lift comes when someone who has just lost a kitty sends words of comfort and condolence to someone else who has just lost one too....or sends congratulations to someone who gets good news. Truly a wonderful group of people....If I ever have a super rich relative who suddenly dies and leaves me a fortune, I'll fly us all to Jim's for a pre-cheesecake party and give the rest to Feline disease research...Okay, I might keep a little bit to pay some bills with...BUT the rest will go for a Super Party for my FELV List Buddies!!!!! (Can y'all tell I am getting ready to go away for a weekend???? I am feeling all sweet and generous because I am taking my kids camping for the weekend and I have found a wonderful lady to come and take care of my kitties while I am gone!) Y'all hold down the fort 'til I get back....and Rissa....you straighten up and get it together...I want a WONDERFUL report of another miraculous recovery when I get home on Sunday evening...got it???? I love to hear of baffled vets!!!! Angela (and Poncho & Jodi) ---------------------------------------- From: Paula Lazo To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" , "'Angela Holderby'" Subject: Super optimistic Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:58:24 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net In my opinion I rejoice with others' good news because somehow I feel my beloved Lucky, Mancha, Niņa, Smokey and Princess are still alive in the spirits of the healthy ones. The healthy ones are a victory to us a gift to be treasured and thankful for. I would never feel resentment because of others' hapiness and neither does anybody from this list. You all have proved that. Cat people are the best, you people are the best. I'd also fly us all if I had the money. I always dream of the idea of meeting you all. Till cheesecake. Love Paula + Benito ---------------------------------------- From: "zimmerman" To: "felvtalk" Subject: Vital Charge Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:08:15 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, Vital Charge is a product on the info sheet that says it assists with the adverse side effects of corticosteroids. Could be something Dr. Myers told you about and you tryed already and it didn't help? Beth ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: "Felv" Subject: good news needed! Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:55:29 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net All, Never hold back good news! Even tho I'm mourning the death of my little Tut I am so happy to hear good news. It gives me hope that the next felv+ baby I get may have a better chance. It does lift my spirit to hear these good reports. To all on the list my thoughts and prayers are always with you. I may not have much advice but I'm hear to support you! Nan ---------------------------------------- From: GinaTex@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:11:14 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: good news needed! Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Nan I agree it does lift our spirits to hear good news. Gina ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:45:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Optimistic Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Christina, I am so happy about learning the positively negative news about your kittens! Nancy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:48:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ninja update Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Cheri, Congratulations again on being such a wonderful person! Nancy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:57:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Jake Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi everyone, Jake went in today for his monthly immunoregulin shot. The vet said we would have to start giving the shots in his leg vein because the ones in his little arms are no good anymore. I figure after the leg veins go, I will have to give the shots sq. Can anyone give me any suggestions on helping to get his veins to heal (if there is any way) and also, to those of you who give the immunoregulin sq, how much less effective is this. Also, I've been giving him ambrotose and Vit. c. in capsules twice daily. I had to stop the DMG since I cannot bring myself to stress him with anymore than 4 caps daily and he *absolutely* won't eat anything mixed in his food (except interferon). I would like to hear opinions on whether you all think ambrotose or DMG is better for our cats. Jake is doing well--eating and playing and sabotaging our littlest kitty. The immunoregulin has worked such miracles, I hate to see this happen. So I'm asking all of you for your input so I can best decide which way to go. I feel a little stress for him, which has so many positive rewards, he can put up with. I just do not want to compromise his well-being and stress level. Nancy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:04:46 -0500 From: Gabriela Mendez Perez Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Jake Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy-- Jake's not anemic, by any chance, is he? One vet told me it was hard to find a vein on Wolfie because he was anemic. I'm not educated enough about this to know the exact correlation, but the vet had me pump Wolfie up with Pet-Tinic, and that helped him a lot. I never had a problem (ultimately) getting Wolfie to swallow that stuff, as I gave it with a syringe and squirted it in fairly quickly. He actually seemed to like the taste, but I have other cats who haven't liked it at all. Good luck to you and Jake, and I'm glad he's been doing well on the Immunoregulin. Gabby and los gatos fregados ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rissa-Tai isn't doing as well Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, CoQ10 is supposed to help the existing red blood cells carry more oxygen more efficiently - you might want to try her on the 30mg per day. It comes in powder/capsules as well as liquid/gelcaps - maybe just squeezing the liquid out of a gelcap into her mouth would be good enough?? I hope your dad is better too! Kat (New Jersey) ---------------------------------------- END