Wednesday August 5, 1998 25 Messages ======================================== From: AskforArt@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:10:51 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Ambrotose info for Melanie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi All--- Haven't been keeping up with the e-mail. Barb, no I don't have a website, because I can't really put much information on the internet. Thanks to some really stupid federal regulations Mannatech distributors are not allowed to tell you that the products will work on a certain disease condition---the feds don't want us to tell you to use the products on disease condition X ir Y, even when we have the clinical trials to prove that it works on condition X or Y. I other words, we can't use the sceintific research we have on hand to encourage you to buy the products. Makes it really difficult to convince someone that these products are useful. Ambrotose is simply a combination of eight essential sugars (there are over 200 in nature), but these 8 are the *only* sugars used by the body's cells to communicate with each other. Without these sugars a T-cell or an NK cell cannot recognize an invader cell and destroy it. Works on all cells in the body, and crosses the blood-brain barrier into the brain, allowing communication within the brain, also. In nature you can find these sugars *only* in vine-ripened fruits and vegatables. The parent plant produces these sugars just as the produce is ready to drop to the ground--this is done in preparation for the seed to start a new plant. So, unless you are eating fresh fruits and vegetables from your own garden, and your cat is eating prey that has eaten the same, you and your pets are *not* getting the nutrition your bodies need to function properly. This is all very new science, and the original research on Manapol and Acemannan was done at Carrington Labs . The scientific team that discovered Manapol (2 of the 8 sugars) and Acemannan (an injectable form of mannose, one of the sugars and the active ingredient in Aloe Vera) is now at Mannatech, and they hold the patent on Ambrotose (Ambrotos=from Latin and Greek, immortal). Ambrotose is a natural product extracted from vine-ripened plants, and each batch is assayed to assure uniform potency. The discovery of the eight sugars is listed in the 24th edition of Harper's Biochemistry, a standard medical textbook which should be available at your library. The Mannatech website has very little information about the scientific aspects of their products. One of the best pieces of information about the products is located at . Use their internal search engine and type in "Dr. Steve Nugent". Click on the first article. It lists Dr. Nugent's qualifications and his opinions on Mannatech products. The best way to get all the information about the products is to sign up with the company. The least expensive way costs $49 and includes your choice of products up to $45 in value. By doing this you are a part of the company, and will have access to all the research as it becomes available. You can also buy the products at wholesale, or 10% below wholesale if you put the products on a auto-order. And, of course, you can earn income by selling the products------which helps you to pay for your products. But the best part of the whole thing happens when you get to help someone regain their health after using they use the products. You can order the products or sign up as a distributor through me, or order the products at the retail price from Mannatech's 800 number. E-mail me if you need more information. Linda P ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:19:56 +0100 From: "Sonja Lnders" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ambrotose info for Melanie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi, Linda, Thanks for the Ambrotose description, it made my mouth water! I think I'll have some myself, when it comes, doesn't sound as if it were only for cats!! Sonja ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:00:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: Felvtalk Subject: Re: Schurli update Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Sonja, I'm so happy to hear Schurli has improved! Nancy ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:04:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: vit. c Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nan, I am keeping my fingers crossed that Tut will improve with the interferon. I apologize for repeating what others may have said, but have you tried the Pet Tinnic on him? It really helps Jake with his anemia. Also, while I know this is a source of controversy in this newsgroup, have you thought about using Prednisone as a temporary measure and tapering dose? It can really help keep at bay what is killing Tut's red cells. My best to you and Tut. Nancy ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: Thymus hormone Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:18:55 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Thanks for the info. Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: vit. c Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:22:25 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, I would take any info you have. Thanks, Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: vit. c Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:26:10 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, I would also like the inflo on ambrotose my vet did not know what it was. thanks, Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: vit. c Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:51:11 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy where can I get the pet-tinnic? Would my vet have it or a pet store? thanks, Nan ---------------------------------------- From: GinaTex@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:37:01 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Schurli update Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Sonja Glad to hear that Schurli is feeling better. Gina ---------------------------------------- From: GinaTex@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:39:54 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Re: Jake update Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy Wonderful news about Jake. It is always so nice to hear such good news about our babies Gina ---------------------------------------- From: AskforArt@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:53:47 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ambrotose info for Melanie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Sonja--Actually the Ambrotose *isn't* for cats, it's for people, and as a distributor I am not *allowed* to promote the use of these products for animals. But good, healthy food is just as important for our pets as it is for us! Linda P ---------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:32:28 +0000 Subject: A new member with questions Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all, I'm forwarding this message for a new member of the list. I've already sent a reply privately, but I'm sure Cary could use input from everyone on the list. Thanks. ----------------------Forwarded Message------------------------------ From: Cary Zeitlin We have a cat (Molly) with a mystery ailment; it is certainly leukemia but she has tested negative for FELV every time. No other FELV+ cats in the house but one has FIV and one recently died from a metastasis of lymphosarcoma, which as I understand it is a common occurrence in immune-suppressed cats. Coincidentally (or not), this was Molly's best friend, and he often groomed her. Anyway, we have been riding a rollercoaster with Molly, who has had interferon (it was depressing her even further so we stopped), one transfusion (it helped for 2-3 weeks), and now Epogen. Last Friday, her color was poor and her red count down to 10, so the vet was going to give another transfusion. However, they found that they could not do the cross- matching with donor blood because Molly's blood was auto-aglutinating, so the transfusion was delayed until Monday while we switched her from Pred to Dexamethasone and started Epogen. Her appetite immediately improved (presumably from the Dexameth) and by Monday, when they were set to transfuse, her red count had gone up to 13. Our vets consider 10 to be the threshold for doing a transfusion, so they are holding off indefinitely. Her appetite and energy level continue to be fairly good, certainly much improved since starting Dexamethasone. I would be very interested in hearing informed speculation about just what is wrong with Molly. (Any virologists out there??) Is this likely to be a mutated strain of FELV? That would explain the (-) test results -- which, I should add, include tests done on aspirated bone marrow. Also, I find her little rebound the last few days to be puzzling. Until now, she has been on a steady downhill track, except for the boost she got from the transfusion. Are improvements like this commonly seen? From what I've read, there's no way the Epogen can be working so soon, yet her red count is clearly up. Any ideas about what might be causing that good trend, and how we can keep it going? Finally, is there any sort of consensus about the value of Immunoregulin? We are certainly willing to try it, and the vet has it on hand, but we don't want to put Mol through any more stress unless it looks like there's a real good chance of getting a benefit. One piece of information I haven't seen discussed here that might be helpful for some people is the use of the drug Periactin. It is nominally an antihistamine but it is also an appetite stimulant. I don't have the dosage info handy, but we give Molly 1/2 tab twice a day. She almost always wants to eat within an hour of getting it. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Cary Zeitlin In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson- phaedrus@npwt.net http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8025/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html ---------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:46:29 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Low red blood cell count Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all, Several of you have written to me privately as of late to ask what I have done to bring Rissa-Tai's rbc count back into normal ranges. One of the things that I have not seen mentioned lately is Hemobartinella. Hemobart is a nasty little parasite that basically gobbles away new red blood cells. This parasite is what brought Rissa-Tai's rbc counts to 11 and 12%, but we were able to give her specific antibiotics that helped. If any of you are having a problem with low counts, please have your vet test for this as well. No matter what else you are giving your kitties if they have this parasite it doesn't matter as much. This parasite stays in their system, but it CAN be treated - I believe I answered a FAQ on it for the homepage for Jim. I think sometimes the vets forget to look for this because of the FeLV and the anemia that is expected with it, but if this is the cause of the problem, you can do something about it. If you have any questions, please let me know. Pam ---------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:02:23 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Q10 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nan, Where did you find a liquid?? Mine's a powder, the liquid sounds better. barb ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: medicine problems Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:06:06 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Once again, I'm having problems. My little Tut does not make this easy. I gave him his vit. c and thymus hormone. I crushed it very fine and put it in his cat food. Of course, he won't eat it. Would it be ok if I just give it to him like I give him pills. Or would this hurt his stomach? I also tried the Q10. The pills are 10 mg and are liquid inside. I cut open the end and squirted it in his mouth. Isn't the Q10 the stuff that is absorbed through the gums? Is this ok or should I try to put it in his food? Any suggestions and help are most welcome. Thanks again, Nan ---------------------------------------- From: AskforArt@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:41:42 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Q10 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nan, I'd like to know the brand of Co Q10 you're feeding to Tut------anything my cats will eat willingly must be a good thing. Linda P ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:49:47 +0100 From: "Sonja Lnders" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ambrotose info for Melanie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Linda, Thank you for telling us about it then, it sounds a great product you have there, and I think this household will take the utmost advantage of it, be assured! Sonja ---------------------------------------- From: "Equinox Corp." To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" Subject: RE: Ambrotose info for Melanie Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:54:35 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Sonja, what news do you have? Do you have it yet? Saliha ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:21:01 +0100 From: "Sonja Lnders" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ambrotose info for Melanie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, Not yet, but when it comes, we'll have a feast! Sonja ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:11:22 -0500 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Melanie Moore Subject: Re: Ambrotose info for Melanie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thanks, Linda. That information helps a lot. Melanie ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Q10 Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:19:07 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net the Q10 pill I give Tut is liquid inside. I discovered that if I snip the end, squirt it in his mouth and then pop the pill in his mouth, he chews on it getting all the liquid out and then spits out the pill cover which has no value. The pills are 10 mg so one pill does the trick. And I know for sure that he is getting it on his gums. Does anybody else do this? Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "zimmerman" To: "felvtalk" Subject: Re: Nan Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:33:28 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Nan, You can get Pet-Tinic from some vets or pet stores. I get it from KV Vet catalog www.kvvet.com . The supplements for Tut can be put in food or given as pills - a pill gun makes it easier. Co Q10 can improve gum health, but it's not absorbed through the gums. What did your vet think of the thymus? It may be more beneficial to use it with ImmunoRegulin IV's rather than the interferon that's given orally. The Pet-Tinic is a liquid with iron, good for Tut's anemia, maybe that's all he'll need if he's still feeling pretty good. The Co Q10 I get is 10 mg also, but it's a capsule. Sounds like Tut doesn't mind the liquid kind you got so that's good. I'm answering several of your posts, so this is kind of mixed up:) Beth ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: Nan Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:46:28 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Beth, I'm going to try to get some pet tinnic. Tut is doing ok. He's eating and a little more active but still looks anemic. I took my list of medicines to the vet. We discussed the vit. c, Q10, and thymus. His basic attitude was that it would not hurt so lets try it. I took a lot of print outs about the meds to my vet. they have two clinics and 7 or 8 vets. I was impressed because they actually read the stuff and passed it around. They seem to be willing to work with me. I'm going to give it try. Thanks for your help. Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: Q10 Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:53:02 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, I got mine at the Eckerd drug store. It's called "Nature's Bounty" coenzyme Q10, 10 mg (natural). It is a softgel pill. I just snip the end and squirt. Nan ---------------------------------------- From: "George & Nancy" To: Subject: Re: Q10 Date sent: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:06:29 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Linda, The Q10 I use is "Nature's Bounty" (natural) coenzyme Q10, 10mg. It is a softgel pill. Tut is not thrilled with this but I snip the end and squirt it in his mouth. If I want to make sure he got it all I put the pill in his mouth. He chews it so all the liquid gets out and then he spits out the gel coating which has no value. I got the Q10 at Eckerd drug store. It is a large drug store chain here. Nan ---------------------------------------- END