Friday July 24, 1998 Part 4 20 Messages ======================================== From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:04:34 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Baypumun in USA Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Even if it is here. Any animal used, could be tested first. Also, the part used from the cow, the kidney, could be synthazised probably. Did they Dx that with the post? barb ---------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Good MEWS ! Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:06:07 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, Just read that wonderful post ! Fear gives way to grateful acceptance of all that's magically possible ! You and Beatrice are in for a great, relaxed week-end.. thanks for sharing the mews ! ..marilyn.. ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman ) To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Posting pictures Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net }> Gorgeous vet? Please post his photo ASAP } } Folks, please do not post photos (or any other binary file) to And if it was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion, try "post his URL ASAP"... Same idea - but won't panic the list owner! 8-) Diana (who seems to be finding good vets, who could be considered "gorgeous", but they're *female*! Oh well - just as well - I'd hate to abandon my vet of 14 years anyway...) ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman ) To: felvtalk@MailingList.net, muffin@esosoft.com Subject: Excuse the somewhat off-topic interruption Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Since this has to do with pets, I hope nobody will be too upset if I post a message. Some of you may have heard that there was a scaffolding that collapsed around the Conde Nast building in Times Square last Tuesday. The problem is that tenants were evacuated, and left their animals as they were told they could get back in quickly. The story can be found on the URL: http://www.pathfinder.com/NY1/news/headlines/ I'm not going to post the story, because of copyright laws. Please send e-mail to Mayor Giuliani, who is not allowing any rescue of the animals. These animals have been without food or water since Tuesday, and since nobody is allowed in, the humane society is warning people to expect the worst, despite people volunteering to do the rescues. His e-mail address is: giuliani@www.ci.nyc.ny.us Diana ---------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:46:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Baypumun in USA Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hey Barb, Your assessment is, unfortunately, correct. Still, I'm sure there is enough potential for human consumption of this drug to make it profitable for them. Whether it is money, contamination, or both, the fact remains that corruption in the process is what's holding all of this back. Since we'd have more success in gathering to levitate the Pentagon (obscure reference?) than we would in removing the corruption from the system, I really don't see much hope for the ban on Baypamun being dropped any time soon. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson- phaedrus@npwt.net http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8025/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html ---------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:50:18 -0600 Subject: Randall, Tails: herbal stuff To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Randall & List, I have been reading _Love, Miracles and Animal Healing_ by Allen M. Schoen, DVM, and Pam Proctor. In this book, Schoen mainly tells stories about his experiences as a vet who uses both allopathic and holistic methods for treatment, but in the book he focuses on stories which involve holistic methods. (Good reading BTW). I am now towards the end of the book, where Schoen lists his "Personal Top Nine Herbal Remedies." On page 176, he discusses Remedy #7: Ginseng and Royal Bee Jelly (an immune system stimulant)and how this treatment alone brought back the energy & appetite of an felv+ cat--the cat went into remission for eight years apparently. There's a product called Ginseng Royal Jelly, which comes in a liquid form, and this is what Schoen used. He prescribed six drops three times daily. Randall, I thought this might be something you could discuss with your holistic vet--Maybe this would help Tails' appetite, immune system etc. And of course, I thought the rest of you might be interested because it seems relatively simple and harmless (but of course ask your vet first). Schoen talks about the different kinds of Ginseng, but as far as I can tell, he doesn't mention exactly which one is in the product he used. Susan katseven@pcsia.com ---------------------------------------- From: EchoSynch@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:04:08 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Hershey, Debby, and the HBG Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Debby & Hershey, HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS H UGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HU GS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUG S HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS H UGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HU GS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUG S HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS H UGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HU GS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUG S HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS H UGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HU GS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUG S HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS H UGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HU GS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUG S HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS Randall & Tails ---------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:12:31 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Baypumun in USA Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Jim, A big company like Bayer would do it IF they thought the avenue to recoup their money was there. Unfortunately, they don't seem to think it is. And they may be right. People have to remember for everyone of us that would stand on our heads to help our cats, there are ten who will not. Just not worth it to them, just a cat, get another one. That is the reality of the world. barb ---------------------------------------- From: EchoSynch@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:13:53 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Howling Kitty Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Arlene, We're planning on you hanging in there too.... Randall & Tails ---------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:15:47 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: yuppers Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Could it just have been good old encephalitis? To get MCD, you must come in contact with the disease somewhere. I'm not an expert on it, never saw it, hope I never do, but I do know you must somehow comsume some infected meat, or maybe veggies fertilized with cow dung or something. It can't just appear. barb ---------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:18:13 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Hi all! Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Naomi, Congrats on the new baby! Oyster, what an unusual name. Where did he get it? I can tell you this, if he only lives 6 months, (god forbid) it will be a wonderful 6 months for him and for you. What a wonderful thing you have done. Let's keep our fingers crossed he will retest negative. barb ---------------------------------------- From: Paula Lazo To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" Subject: From Chile Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:32:10 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear friends: My PC is being repaired right now at my office. I'm using some one else's PC so I don't have much time. I've been trying to read all my messages (170) but so far I want to wish Randall and Tails the best, also to Arlene and Howling Kitty, Debby and Hershey and Ringo and his human :-) (sorry I don't have your name). Guys please have good news for me when I get back on line next monday I want all the Felv, FIP, FIV viruses to be gone: it's a COMMAND. Lots of hugs and good vibes to you all. Love Paula + Benito + Garrita ---------------------------------------- From: EchoSynch@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:33:30 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Appetite Stimulaton Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy, Hmmm, this sounds interesting. I will certainly have to try that. Tonight, when force-feeding Tails, I had the inclination to have some Fancy Feast opened just in case he felt the urge. And after a couple of syringes of chicken puree, he actually did nibble down a few bites. Not much, like usual, but more than he would have. Thank you for your suggestions. I am learning so much.l Randall ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman ) To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: ringo/antihistamine Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Yup - I use the 4-hour Chloripheniramine maleate (generic) for my guys - but guess due to their size, I use 1/2 to a whole 4 hour twice a day. (the whole twice a day - that is two a day - was for Stormy, who is so allergy prone that he became diabetic from trying to control his itching with depro-medrol). Diana ---------------------------------------- From: viper102@uswest.net Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:03:38 -0700 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: From Chile Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Sorry I forgot to tell you all my name. It is Alex Plop ---------------------------------------- From: EchoSynch@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:16:17 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: FeLV Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, Amen. Fantastic. Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Randall ---------------------------------------- From: EchoSynch@aol.com Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:21:38 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Randall, Tails: herbal stuff Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Susan, How very nice of you to post. That book sounds like a real winner. Sounds like something that Dr. Siegel would write for a person! Very interesting regarding the ginseng and the royal bee jelly. I am somewhat familiar with them but had forgot about them when considering my cat. I will definitely check this out, and I surely appreciate your taking the time to offer the information. I will tell ya, I have a big grin on my face though when you say "check with your vet". I do understand the disclaimer and all, but after seeing the holistic vet today, I feel like I'm my own vet at this point . Feels kinda odd to leave her office with the advice of "Keep reading....." Anyway, you're a peach. Thanks for all of this. Randall echosynch@aol.com ---------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Baypumun in USA Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:16:30 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Huh....? I cared for a woman who died of Mad Cow Disease.. the disease is here.. isolated and kept under wraps.. We never found out how she contracted the disease.. she had NOT been to Great Britain.... interesting ? .mg. ---------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:43:35 +0100 From: "Sonja Lnders" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Baypumun in USA Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Marilyn, There is so much we do not know yet about this disease.... In England a young woman died of it who had been a vegetarian for 15 years!! Sonja ---------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Re: Baypumun in USA Date sent: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:32:41 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Sonja, That's why I posted this info to the list. The woman was only 58 years old, and the disease from onset to her death was very rapid. Where then... would people be exposed to it...? Another plague on both our houses ? The possibility of drug reaction is a thought ? .marilyn. ---------------------------------------- END