Saturday May 16, 1998 Part 1 20 Messages ====================================== From: WORKPARK Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:53:43 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Way to go Panther! Now, that's two cats here (Panther and Rissa-Tai) that don't have, or no longer have it! Whoo whoo whoo!!! Pam -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:02:02 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Howling Kitty & Interferon Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Interferon does indeed cause depression. We had been giving it to Rissa-Tai every day for about a month or longer as well, and that's when she took her last dive. We switched her to a 1 cc every third day regimen, and she is doing much better. You may want to try that. Pam -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:36:54 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: DMG anyone? Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Beth, I'm planning on getting this catalogue, but in the meantime, can you tell me how much Vetri-Science Liquid DMG is, and if you have to be a vet to order it? Thanks! Pam -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:45:39 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Weekly Status Report Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Larry, Re my last post - I just read Steve's post, and I see that he does explain things a little better. However, the new folks may not realize that Jim is legally blind, and therefore don't understand the need for the monitor, nor do they understand why we are buying him a new computer. It might be good to do a short recap of this when you post the weekly reports so that the "newbies" understand. Pam -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 02:53:16 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I meant cancer, I thought you were talking about cancer in general, not FelV. Rissa-Tai is still positive, but beat plasma cell myoloma, a form of cancer that was probably caused by her immune system not working so well. Pam -------------------------------------- From: "zimmerman" To: Subject: Re: Pam Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 03:10:59 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, No Rx needed. 30 ml - $7.99, 120 ml - listed at $26.99, but they charged me $24.99. (misprint? or maybe they like me) Beth -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:47:01 -0400 From: Andrew Sherrod To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: FeLV test Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I can't tell you how happy I am for you and Chaz!!!!! You are so fortunate Paula -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:51:28 -0400 From: Andrew Sherrod To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: FIP Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Nina, I'm sorry to hear about this. It must be very difficult-I don't know what I would do if my husband wanted to give away some of my cats :( Hang in there-we are all here for you. Paula -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:44:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, (and others) Yes, the good news is Panther does not have cancer; however, I am very worried about him and I need to let out that worry. You may not have seen my post yesterday. He was tested for both FELV and FIV. He tests negative for FELV but positive for FIV. He has a fever of 104 and he is not eating. He has lost 1/2 pound in three days. The vet gave him an anti-inflammatory shot and put him on Baytril; she said he should be feeling better by now; he's not. He's still very hot so I know he has fever. What worries me (and I know he's only had 3 doses of antibiotics so far) is whenever I've had an animal not break its fever fast, they always go downhill---and never come back up. I am trying not to be negative but I've seen this so many times (having lost 3 to FELV and one to FIP) that it's hard not to be negative. I guess it's back to hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. Nancy -------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:58:24 -0600 From: katseven@pcsia.com Add to Address Book Subject: Re: Panther To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi, Nancy, I just spoke w/ Laura Sykes. Here are basics for breaking fever: Fast the cat (which Panther is already doing for himself) Give him forced fluids (warm water or warm broth) Give him sub-q fluids if he is at all dehydrated Laura has had success bringing cats back from fevers like this. She says this is not necessarily a death sentence. She says the important thing is to support the cat through the fever. She can give you more specifics--she treats her cats herbally, but you would need to call her and she charges a consult fee of about 40-50 dollars for the first time. Less after that. She treats her cats herbally and has a tincture that you would have to make up for the fever. (She also said if the infection is viral antibiotics don't help....the fever indicates the body is fighting some kind of infection.) I will send her number and e-mail privately. This may not be the approach you want to take, but if you want to try it I think it is definitely worth a shot. And for what it's worth I trust her. Susan -------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:20:58 -0600 From: katseven@pcsia.com Add to Address Book Subject: Re: Panther To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy, I did a little research and according to Cornell Vet. page http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/fhc/fiv.htm you are assuming correctly. I don't know how to break the fever but there is an online vet. diagnostic service through this page, and I would also be willing to contact Laura Sykes (of Noah's Ark) to ask her if she has any suggestions. (She treats her cats w/ holistic remedies--has been doing so for several years.) I am so worried for you and Panther. Sometimes we call it "negative" when it's just realistic. This is something we need to do something about now! Does anybody have any ideas? Anyone you can call? Nancy, I am thinking about you, and trying to think of other things to do. Susan -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:23:52 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy, For human with an out of control fever, we put them on a cooling blanket, however, cats are more sensitive than humans I think, but if the fever is so high you start to fear brain damage or death, you might try a cool, room temp, towel over him. OR if the worst happens and he starts to seize (have a seizure) putting him in cool, NOT cold, water may help. you don't want to throw him into shock. I know when I worked for a vet many, many years ago, we would always get the idiot in who would leave the dog or cat in the car on hot summer day and the animal would have a heat stroke. We immed put them in cool, not cold water. I'm not sure what the temp of a cat would be before damage starts but I would think if it gets upwards to 106 or 107 you might start thinking about doing something very fast. Keep us informed as time allows. Thinking of you, barb -------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Re:Panther Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:41:29 -0400 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Nancy, Oh, how well I remember feeling lost, frightened, and alone when Selena went into her downward spin... there was always SOMETHING ready to knock her down. We're brave because we act even when we're afraid to act. I'm praying for you and Panther, I hope the fluid and medication will kick in and you see some improvement soon. I know that every minute hangs like an eternity... peace & light, .marilyn. In memory of Selena deeply loved---deeply missed -------------------------------------- From: GinaTex Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:46:48 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Hello All: Rubin Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hello all again We appologize for not coming back on sooner. The last 2 weeks have been on the rough side with feline and human problems. We have had family relatives in and out of the hospital, plus Rubin went into the hospital 2 weeks ago this Monday. He went in for his chemo treatment and we where all feeling very elated with his good cbc. Well Monday evening when he came home the poor guy threw up the entire night and the next day was walking very wobbly. We brought him in and the vet kept him over night and gave him fluids. The next day we brought him home and he acted as if nothing ever happened, he ran out of his kennel and gobbled up all his food. Anyways as we all know wiht this disease we have up and down times. His bloodwork as been dropping levels again. He is currently at 19 for rbc and 2000 wbc. We did get some postive news though, he is showing that he is starting to make baby red blood cells, it is at .1 but all along it has been at 0. Also, the lyphocites have been the predominate in his wbc, now the wbc are predominate. He goes in tomorw for chemo, I am a little reluctant and nervous, Dr. Ader said that she is going by her gut feeling to treat, that too much will kill him and not enough the tumor will kill too. Well we will see, and in the meantime his balding spot has grown in lenth it is a 2 inch strip down the center of his back. Thank goodnes that Sophia remains sypmtom free. When we first signed on to the list someone had wrote she too had a 12 year old FeLv postive cat ho has never been sick, I was interested in hearing more about him even in private email I just hope Sophia will be like that she is so much smaller and delicate than Rubin is. Gina and JoAnn -------------------------------------- From: GinaTex Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:55:41 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Arnie's gone Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Jean We are so sorry to here about Arnie at least you know know that he is resting in peace. We hope that he does find you again when he is reincarnated. We will be thinking of you Gina and JoAnn -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:22:39 -0700 From: Robert Frank Organization: A.R.F., Inc. To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy: I'll be praying for you both and hoping for the best. God, this is so hard!! I hope he breaks this fever today! Arlene and Howlig Kitty -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:19:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Panther's temp is almost 105.5. The vet said to wrap his legs in cool towels with alcohol in the water--to evaporate fast to bring the temp down. If he should seize, will he eventually just go into a seizure and die? Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:51:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, How long should we keep putting towels on Panther's legs and how far down does the temp need to go? Nancy -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:36:29 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy, No, a seizure does not mean he will die, but it does mean his brain has reached his limit and tolerance level. It is different for everyone. While horrible to see, seizures are generally not fatal. If he does seize tho, I would slowly lower him into tepid water as soon as it stops. Don't try to pick him up and NEVER put your fingers in his mouth. Just move away anything he might hurt himself on and wait. It usually is good to time it so you can tell the vet how long it lasted. Some will seize at 104 and some not until much higher, some, not at all. When wrapping his legs, be sure to get into his "pits" under the frontlegs and the inside of the back legs. These areas are very vascular and cooling the blood is one way we cool ourselves. This is why when we are hot, our veins pop out to the surface and when cold they get pulled back in to the body, to retain the heat. Change them often, because his body will heat them up in a hurry. I will check back at 9:15pm to see I can help in any other way. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:41:58 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Panther Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy, That's a tough call. It may be a long night for you. I would keep doing it until his temp was down to 103 or 104. Remember, at cats normal temp is 101.4, not 98.6. Once you get it down, you have to make sure it stays there. But take heart, his body prob knows what it is doing. Viruses do NOT trigger a high temp, they are to small, only bacteria or bigger cause this kind of temp and they are very heat sensitive. It is one of the body's defenses to drive the temp up to kill it off. His body is fighting what ever it is for all he's worth. But, we can't allow it to get out of control either. We don't want the bodies cure to kill him either. Here's hoping that between his temp and the antibiotics that nasty little bug is dying as we speak. barb -------------------------------------- END