Monday April 20, 1998 26 Messages ====================================== Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Tessie & anemia Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, You might also try a supplement called CoQ10 - it's supposed to help the red blood cells carry more oxygen thru the body. That way - even if she doesn't have that many RBCs - they would be more efficient. Kat -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:48:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) Fitz the Cat Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Rachel, I'm sorry to hear Fitz is not doing better. I admire your commitment to doing everything in your power and I'm certainly looking forward to hearing from you about the oncologist. Please know that I am thinking of all of you. nancy -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Rissa-Tai's latest vet appnt. Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:22:53 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net When I took Chloe in to be examined, and she needed a transfusion (her second), my vet made it very clear to me that this was the last transfusion she'd do for Chloe. When I asked why, she said that it wasn't going to do me or Chloe any good, that once you begin relying on transfusions your time left together is short. To which I said, "you couldn't even tell Chloe was sick when we came in and it turns out her blood is as thin as cherry juice". And I explained that whatever time Chloe could enjoy comfortably with me would be highly valued. But I don't think that my vet gets it, and she is considered one of the very best around with cats. Her knowledge and technique are strong; her emotional grasp, weak. One of her assistants quietly made the following observation to me when I came to make final arrangements for Chloe, and we all know at least part of it to be true. "It seems like the FeLV and the other very sick kitties really fight like crazy to live, but that the vets don't seem to want to give them every opportunity; while human patients with such illnesses often seem like they want to give up, and the doctors won't let them." -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:19:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rissa-Tai's latest vet appnt. Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, What an interesting observation--both by you and the veterinary assistant. I didn't realize what a wonderful veterinary clinic I used (at least not entirely) until I became part of this group. Your post made me recall the first FELV+ kitty I had. Greystoke was still a kitten--about 9 months old. She was not REAL sick but sick enough for me to know something was wrong. When the vet called me at work with the diagnosis--this was not my usual vet, but rather the owner of the clinic, I replied, "Well, you usually say that FELV+ cats should be put down . . . (this was in spring of '94). He said, "Not necessarily, Nancy. I know how you feel about your animals." It was his reply that was the deciding factor in keeping Greystoke alive--to realize that someone in the veterinary community knew what it was like to have a cat with a severe life-long illness and want to keep that cat alive! When I went in to pick her up, he immediately got a can of AD, suggesting I feed her that and a bottle of Pet Tinnic (she had anemia). Then I asked him if anything else could be done and he said that while Immunoregulin was not approved of in cats, he would be willing to use it on her with my consent. She was on the shots for about 8-9 months. Unfortunately the vet I was using at the time suggested we take her off them--she was doing wonderfully! In 4 months she developed a tumor in her eye and two months later she died. I can really say my vet clinic would PREFER people who were willing to do ANYTHING for their beloved pets. In fact, when I apologize to my vet about calling so often regarding my cats, she always says, "I'd much rather you called often--it shows me you care--that's much better than some owners." Nancy -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:49:39 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: People vs. animal doctors Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, as you said, we all agree to some extent that this is true. Unfortunately, I think the difference is in the Doctor's training. People doctors I believe are trained to commit themselves to continuing to try despite what is emotionally and physically best for their patients and their families, whereas vets aren't trained to do so. What is interesting is that although I say that, I was watching a program yesterday on Animal Planet (I think it's called Vets) that dealt with vets going through school in Bristol? and only caught part of their oath that they take upon graduation. I believe it is very similar to the oath that people doctors take, so I don't understand some of the vets in wanting to put the animals to sleep right away. Pam -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:53:39 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) Fitz the Cat Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Rachel, All of us here are pulling for you and Fitz. Keep us posted. Pam ( & husband Chuck, and our two furbabies - Rissa-Tai and Lai-Tai) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:59:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: People vs. animal doctors/Animal Planet? Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Pam, Can you give me more info on the program called "Animal Planet"?? I've heard someone else mention it before, but haven't been able to find any reference to it in my neck of the woods (NJ). When is it broadcast, what station, etc.? Thanks. Kat -------------------------------------- From: allinda@banet.net Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:21:29 -0400 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Animal Planet Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Kat: Animal Planet is available through your cable company. It's a great network - "All Animals - All The Time" - they even have Lassie re-runs on Sat & Sun am. Call your local Cable Co & say "I want Animal Planet!" Linda & the Cats that own her Montana Fats (I'm not fat, I'm fluffy) Iris (I love Animal Planet) Kritter (What my Mum, Iris said) Sebastian (just give me my mousies!) -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:25:10 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Animal Planet Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Kat and everyone else, Animal Planet is a cable station that is put out by the Discovery Channel. We just accessed it through Jones Intercable here in Tucson last month. The program we were watching on Animal Planet was called "Vets" according to the tv guide in the local paper here, but that may just be an abbreviation for the program's full name. Animal Planet has many good shows on it about all different things pertaining to animals - lots of things about cats, vet emergencies, stuff for kids, etc. Ask your local cable stations about it, if they have access or when they are going to get it. A thought just occurred to me - maybe we can get them to do something on Feline Leukemia. The network address for the Discovery Channel is: Discovery Channel/Learning Channel 7700 Wisconsin Ave. Bethesda, MD 20814-3579 (301) 986-0444 This isn't too far from where we used to live in the D.C. area. Would someone in that area call over there and see if they have anything, or maybe they could work with us on getting the information we already know out to the public - this may be a good avenue for us to pursue. What do you all think? Pam -------------------------------------- From: Rdmacaulay Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:14:01 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Fitz the Cat Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy, Thanks for the kind words. I feel like some days I'm not committed enough, while on others that I should be committed!! People are riding me kind of hard, stating the obvious--Rach, it's a CAT! Doug (my husband) supports me, and we all want to keep on fighting. The MacAulays have always been tough Scots--our motto is "Danger is Sweet"! I've married into the right family. I finally got a copy of Frazier's Natural Cat book and am in the process of steadily kicking myself for not getting it sooner. I am totally grossed out by the chapter on diet and kitty food. Even Science Diet, which I thought was a better brand. Ick. Am going out tonight to buy some organic food. ANYTHING to help Fitz beat this. He'll be eating better than me. Will let you know about the oncologist. I don't have a good feeling about it, don't know why. --Rachel -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:15:41 EDT To: felvtalk@Mailinglist.net Subject: Kitten love Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net All, I know this is off topic, but I am hoping Jim will indulge me this one time because I think it will bring a smile to everybodies face. Quick background for the new folks. I had a female that got herself pregnant and since I have positive cats here, I didn't want little babies in the house, so I farmed her out to my youngest son. She had three kittens, two surviving and they are now 7 wks old and the cutest things on earth. Polly is back home with me and just this day I placed an ad in the paper for the two kittens. Received a phone call from my son tonight, I assumed to see if I had put the ad in. I told him that I had and started giving him the litany of "things to look for in good parents" for the babies. Also the things to look for that would BAD parents, (like men with a pit bull in the truck in the drive) WELL, he started hemming and hawing and finally blurt out he wanted to keep the little girl. Then he stammered around some more and confessed he would like to keep them both, but 5 cats in his little house ( he has three adults) would be to much and would I take the orange tabby, Oliver back with me. Oli it seems is always getting beat up by his main cat Brisco and Oliver would be happier back here where he started out. I then gave him his diagnosis. He is now, officially, a cat person. He admitted it and it really should not be a shock as he is named after my MUCH OLDER brother Larry (aka The Lurker) He said "I don't them going to STRANGERS!" Even reminding him of the expense of shots, worming, neutering, toys etc, did not deture him, so they now officially his. When push came to shove, he just couldn't stand to see them go out the door to an unknown fate. So, Oliver will rejoin my group, where he will probably still get beat up by somebody, but what's new. And the world has another cat lover. Hope you got as big a kick out that as I have. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:18:04 EDT To: felvtalk@Mailinglist.net Subject: Nutrical Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net All, Sometimes, not being to bright it seems, I did not get home from work in time to call about the Nutrical. Since it is nearly always five when I get home, I will have to take an late lunch hour this week so I can do it. No big deal. I like getting home early. barb -------------------------------------- From: GinaTex Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:59:46 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Rubin's update Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Rubin went back for his checkup and had chemotherapy on Saturday and his white blood count was still low at 2100 and that Dr Ader said still to early to see anything that might be working out for him .His spirits are still quite high and his appetite is still thriving.We should hopefully see some response to these procedures next week she still has some hope that he is a fighter and that he can get his blood count back to an upward scale. That's all for now. JoAnn and Gina -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:22:17 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rubin's update Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Joanne and Gina, I Rubin on Neupogen along with the chemo? That is one of it's uses and it tends to work much faster that it's counterpart Egogen. Glad to hear he is eating well. That is one of our biggest hurtles with our sick cats. barb -------------------------------------- From: "Equinox Corp." To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" Subject: RE: Fitz the Cat Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:08:48 -0700 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Rachel, Have you tried giving him people foods.. i.e beef liver raw if he'll it it if not slightly microwaved. Be sure to chop the liver into bite size if given raw. Same with chicken livers & all organ meats specially lamb'ds kidneys. Try pureed vegies mixed with a little bit of the chicken brtoth and sprinkle it w/brewers yeast (lots & lots of it.). I'll post more organic homemade recipes later. Saliha -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:05:37 -0500 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Ann M Blais Subject: Chicken Broth Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Marilyn, Thanks for posting that recipe for those asking for it, I just got on and saw the requests. Been so busy with everything that I haven't had time to check on messages for a couple of days, it took almost 25 minutes to download them. How is the Vit C added to the broth working out? Also, are you using the broth as a between meal thing to sample at will or as a meal? Just wondering. Gretchen started on the Interferon and there doesn't seem to be any change in her, not sleeping more or depressed or anything. Of course, she is very active usually and doesn't seem to be sick at all. The vet thought that I would be stopping the Immunoregulin now that the series of shots is finished, but I asked to keep them up monthly. I tell you, those girls sure looked at me funny when I requested this. I mentioned to one of the girls that I hadn't seen there for a while that I had put Gretchen together with my healthy cats and she said 'I heard'. Does this sound like they may be discussing my 'million dollar cat'? Hey, it gives them more job security, doesn't it? I just loved Larry the Lurker's explanation of the Rainbow Bridge. I hadn't really given it much thought before but that explanation sure makes a lot of sense. As I've said before, he sure has a way with words. I've been thinking Cheesecake since you mentioned it and had to go out and purchase one which I shared with my daughter's family. I had my one piece, said a mental prayer that the next one would be made by Marilyn, then left the rest of the dessert there so I wouldn't be tempted to have some more. Of course as soon as I got home I wanted another piece. One of the posts mentioned DMG, do you have any knowledge of this? Also, I picked up some Pau D'arco and now I can't remember how much to give. Thought I had marked it down somewhere, but can't find my note on it. I really have got to get more organized. Ann M. -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:42:27 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: People vs. animal doctors Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, The first and foremost oath of a physician or a vet is "Do No Harm". The rest, quite frankly is fluff. But the interpretation of that little phrase, is open to all kinds of things. I think with vets, since it is legal to end their patients suffering, they do. Sometimes far to quickly. However, with human doctors, it is NOT legal to end their suffering. At least not in obvious ways. Anyone open to a hot debate on "assisted suicide" I am willing, but it must be done privately, off list. btw, I am against it. Anyway, vets do it easily, because they can. Sometimes, it is the proper thing to do and I don't think any enjoy doing it. It's just part of the job. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:44:33 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Fitz the Cat Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Rachel, I have found that only other cat people understand us. Whether they have one or 20, it doesn't matter. Once owned by a cat, you understand. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:22:59 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Chicken Broth Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, Are you putting the Vit C. right in the cooking soup?? Something in the back of my often feeble mind tells me heat destroys Vit C. Might be worth checking on. Hate to think you think you are giving something that isn't there. barb -------------------------------------- To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:29:43 -0400 Subject: Nutri-Cal From: naohalloran@juno.com (Naomi J O'Halloran) Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi, I've been gone for the weekend, and it looks like I've missed a lot. The box on my tube of Nutri-Cal says the company is EVSCO Pharmaceuticals-affiliate of IGI Inc., but it has the same address(Buena, NJ 08310). I don't know why it's different. But maybe we could find that company on the web. It doesn't say how much Sodium Benzoate is in it, just says it is a preservative. I'll ask the vet about it when I go into work tomorrow. I might be able to get ahold of the company through him. Also, the other two vitamin supplements we have at work are Felovite-II with Taurine(I don't know what that is), and Hi-Vite drops with liver and iron. I didn't get a chance to talk to the vet about either of them today(Mondays are always ridiculously busy at the vet), but I will tomorrow, and I'm also going to look to see if they have Sodium Benzoate in them. Naomi -------------------------------------- To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:03:38 -0400 Subject: Nutrical From: naohalloran@juno.com (Naomi J O'Halloran) Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, I found some numbers for EVSCO Pharmaceuticals and the parent company, IGI, Inc. Evsco Pharmaceutical 609-691-2411 Toll Free: (800) 225-0270 Fax: 609-691-1177 IGI, Inc. 609-697-1441 Toll Free: (800) 531-9092 Fax: 609-697-1001 I'll ask the vet about this stuff tomorrow. Naomi -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:05:19 -0500 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Ann M Blais Subject: Pet Food Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Just got a chance to go to www.belfield.com that Linda P had mentioned in her 4/9/98 post. In the section "Back Issue Index" - "Food Not Fit for a Pet" article. WOW!! This really makes me more determined to give my kitties people food. This is soooo sick. Has anyone ordered the 'Mega C Plus mentioned in the Feline Leukemia article? If this has turned positive cats negative as the article states, isn't this something everyone on the list would want to be using for their positive cats? I'd like to order this, but would like some feedback from anyone else using it. Ann M. -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:55:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Ann M Blais Subject: Re: Chicken Broth Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, No, I'm not putting any vitamins into the soup yet, but you're right, I almost forgot about that. Heat would kill the effectiveness of the vitamins, wouldn't it? Thanks for reminding me. Have you tried that Mega C Plus? Ann M -------------------------------------- From: AskforArt Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:45:24 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Chicken Broth Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net The vitamin C should be added to the broth on a per serving basis, and not to hot broth. I am not sure, but I think slightly warm would be OK. Linda P -------------------------------------- From: AskforArt Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:55:18 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Pet Food Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann--This was one of the first sites I found (over a year ago) when my guys were first diagnosed. I live less than 2 hours away from San Jose, so I called to make an appointment to see Dr. Belfield to start the Vitamin C therapy. I was told at that time that the therapy had not been effective on cats that had received the FeLV vaccine--only unvaccinated cats respond to the therapy. I have some of the Mega C plus, and add a little into their food, but not at the reccomended dose, since I add so many other things to their diet. Linda P -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:10:02 +0000 From: LawBet Organization: Home for Wayward Felines To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Address Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Belinda, Could you give this senile, forgetful old soldier your e-mail address? would like to acknowledge your contribution. Thanks. Larry -------------------------------------- END