Sunday April 19, 1998 Part 2 18 Messages ====================================== From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:14:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Charlie & Spitzie neutered To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana, I'm so glad to hear your boys made in through the nip and tuck. Any surgery which requires anesthesia makes me anxious, so I know it's nice to get it over with. You have really gathered your local resources together. It's so easy to feel powerless in the face of such an immense problem, but you are showing some of us (me, for instance!) that there is help and hope out there if we just keep pushing and looking. Best, Susan -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:04:12 -0400 From: Andrew Sherrod To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Tessie & anemia Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net How awful! That's what I suspected. She never seemed to be in pain but when she was on the table at the vets-before we put her to sleep-she let out 3 pathetic howls. I'm glad that she didn't suffer very much. I couldn't stand it! It's just interesting that the anemia and back pain may be linked (?). Someone else wrote about that too. Bone marrow cancer? Paula -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:05:35 +0200 From: Nina van Reenen To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Nina Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net :) Our winters are the worst...(they are different towards the coast though)... No rain, no clouds, relentless sunshine - sub zero in the morning and hot as hell at midday...the grass and plants dry out and die and everything is covered with dust...no moisture in the air at all....(we are at a very high altitude here in Pretoria.) :))) Nina -------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:22:10 -0600 Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Tessie & anemia To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thank you, Paula, for saying this. The guilt I feel over separating Ernie from the rest of my cats has been tormenting me, when I'm feeling vulnerable; it has been difficult thinking the stress of not always being with us brought on Ern's leukemia. Without us, Ern would have died on the streets of Tuscaloosa. But that makes it sound like we did him a favor. All of us cat partners know who's doing the favors! Yes, I truly believe that the collective wisdom and energy this group generates will transform us-- that we will find a cure or at the very least help make it possible. So I try to stay positive because that's where it's at! Cheers, Susan -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:49:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Diarrhea Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Mandy, I have found that acidophilus powder in capsules work very good for my cats. I sprinkle as much as they'll tolerate on their food and usually after a few meals the diarrhea will cease. You can buy this at health food stores or most drug stores or drug depts. Good luck! Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:51:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rissa-Tai Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, This is wonderful news! Keep on trucking! Nancy -------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Re: Booger Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:44:31 -0400 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net -----Original Message----- From: Ann M Blais To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Booger Hi Mamacat, Sorry you and Booger are having such a rough time of it. Hopefully Booger will be feeling better in a couple of days. In the book "The New Natural Cat" by Anitra Frazier, there is a recipe that you may find useful for feeding Booger while he is on liquids. High Calcium Chicken Broth Your own homemade chicken broth will be full of calcium and nutients. Here's how to make it: 2 to 3 lbs. chicken (she prefers thighs) 1 lb. chicken necks and backs water to cover 1/4 cup tomato juice (not V8 juice) Put all chicken into a soup pot large enough so the chicken fills the pot only halfway. Cover with water until water is one to two inches above chicken. Cover the pot loosely (tip the lid). Bring to a low simmer. Simmer three to five hours, occasionally breaking up the chicken and adding more water if necessary. During the last hour remove the lid and let the water cook down until the chicken is barely covered. Broth is now deliciously strong. Pour off broth, cool to room temperature, and then store in refrigerator. While the broth is cooling, pour enough cold water over the chicken left in the pot to cover. Then let it cool some more until it's cool enough for you to be able to touch. With your hands, knead, squeeze, and stir the chicken around in the water to get all the good out of the meat and into the water. The water will begin to look milky. Finally, take handfuls of chicken meat, wring out the liquid into the pot, and throw the meat away. (The hours of simmering have succeeded in transferring the usable nutrition from the meat into the broth. What little nutrition is left in the meat at this point would be largely indigestible.) Leave the bones and the broth behind in the pot. Pour this broth off and store it with the first batch of broth. Transfer the bones into a smaller pot. Crack them up so they form a fairly compact mass in the bottom of the pan. Cover the bones with water and add the one-fourth cup of tomato juice. Simmer one-half to one hour. Pour off this broth, again combining it with the other broth. Throw the bones away. Store about two cups of the broth in a jar in the refrigerator; store the rest in the freezer in pint-size covered freezer containers to be thawed as needed. To thaw, stand the container in a bowl of hot water. Chicken Super Soup Here's how to make your homemade chicken broth even more nutritious. Combine the following ingredients: 1/4 cup High-Calcium Chicken Broth (see recipe above) 1/16 teaspoon ascorbic acid crystals (250 units of vitamin C) 1/2 teaspoon food yeast (flaked, brewer's, or tarula) (can be gotten at a health food store) 1/16 teaspoon feline digestive enzymes can be mail ordered from: Very Healthy Enterprises P.O. Box 4728 Inglewood, CA 90309 Phone 213-672-3269 I have made this broth (but not the Chicken Super Soup), and my kitties love it. It is really not as complicated as it sounds, once started, it just seems to work out good. I'll be sending healing thoughts to Booger, and you too. Be careful not to stress out. Ann M -------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: chicken broth recipe Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:53:36 -0400 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hopefully I zapped my file copy of Ann's original posting back to the MailingList so it can be copied again by some people who are asking for it. As I said 2 weeks ago, it may not be the Holy Grail of treatment, but it has certainly made a difference in Selena. I'm following the Vit C + Ambrotose guidelines, and adding vitamins cautiously to the mix. .marilyn. -------------------------------------- From: "Equinox Corp." To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" Subject: RE: Nutri-Cal - ? Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:12:30 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Barb, I concur w/you 100%. nd let's not forget good old Cyanide with its wonderful smell that makes Apricots and peaches sooo highly edible. I'm quering a chemist about this NutriCal business & will post his response asap. You see Tessie loves this stuff & the last thing She needs to eat is posion right now. Saliha -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:28:48 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Nutri-Cal - ? Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, I will be very interested to hear what your friend says, but don't be surprized if he says, CATS, I have no idea if it's bad for them. Didn't know that about Peaches, cyanide huh. Well, I've been eating them all my life and I'm not dead yet. I will still contact the manufacturer about it tho, just to find out what's going on. If anyone still has a tube, could you let me know what percent it is? Some of the preservatives are like 0.007 or something miniscule like that. Will keep people posted. barb -------------------------------------- From: "Lynn Stickels" To: "felvtalk" Subject: Rainbow Bridge Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:45:10 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Larry and Mandy, Thanks for explaining the Rainbow Bridge. I just didn't understand what all it meant. I wasn't putting it down at all. I'm glad you explained it so well.:) Now I got it!...........Lynn(Stinker) -------------------------------------- From: "Lynn Stickels" To: "felvtalk" Subject: Me Too:) Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:47:18 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Well, I thought I had saved the receipe for the chicken soup come to find out it is gone.:( I bought the chicken yesterday and was going to make it today. I would also like the recipe.:).................Lynn(Stinker) -------------------------------------- From: "Equinox Corp." To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" Subject: RE: Nutri-Cal - ? Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:47:54 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Barb, Yes, I do have the tube & the box. i'm going home right now to get it. I'll be back in 1 hour. I'm also going to pick up some DMG for Tessie per James Wilson's reccomendation, hence the delay of an hour. Otherwise, my office & home are 15 minutes round trip. I wonder if there's an 800 # for the manufacturer. We could call them Might be quicker. Or try to get a hold of a sales rep for the manufaturers. But writing is fine too. Saliha -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:54:57 -0700 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Nutri-Cal - ?/Cyanide Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, There is cyanide in the pits of peaches & apricots. It is obviously naturally occuring. Even my goats won't eat them. They chew up the fruit & spit out the pits. It is really quite humorous to watch. Dana -------------------------------------- From: Rdmacaulay Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:18:50 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Re: Nutri-Cal - ?/Cyanide Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana & Barb, I thought cyanide was just in the seeds of apples! Not that I eat them, but it's amazing that I'm looking out for my kitties' health more than my own... --Rachel -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:21:48 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Nutri-Cal - ? Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, If there is a number, let me know, it would be faster. barb -------------------------------------- From: "Equinox Corp." To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" Subject: RE: Nutri-Cal - ? Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:02:26 -0700 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Barb, Yes, I've got the NutriCal box, and it does list Sodium Bezoate as a preservative. Doesn't show how much though. By the way, Sodium Benzoate is used as a food preservative widely & is FDA approved. manufacturer of NutriCal is : TOMLYN PRODUCTS, they are in New Jersey, Zip 08310. I've checked the Web for more info on the company, can't find a thing. I'll try the US DEX directory next. Stay posted for what people foods contain Sodium Benzoate. Quintessential ornarey cat Tessie got her first dose of DMG little while ago, I left her siiting on the deck, licking her chops after birds, looking minuately improved, though her breathing is still very bad. She says thank you to you all for caring. Saliha -------------------------------------- From: "Equinox Corp." To: "'felvtalk@MailingList.net'" Subject: RE: Rainbow Bridge...... Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:34:51 -0700 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Larry, Actually there's a pysical place called The Rainbow Bridge. It's in a vey small town called La Conner, in Washington .It was built in the mid 50 ies to connect an island/ Indian Reservation with the mainland. The bridge spans over a narrow channel which flows between the waters of the San Juan Islands and the Skagit Bay. When one stands on the bridge and faces East, one sees the rolling foothills of the Cascades & in the middle looming over them the 12,000 feet high, Mount Baker, a volcano,covered with ancient glaiciers, and a permanent snow cap. Tulip and Daffodil farms, strawberry & raspberry farms also surround the Rainbow bridge. No, none of it is the figmant of my imagination, & I'm not making this up as I go along. If you Email me an address, I can send you postcards from the RAINBOW BRIDGE. Truly. SAliha -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:02:51 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Nutri-Cal - ? Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, If she is eyeing birds, she must be feeling better. A really, really sick cat cares about nothing. Every little sign is a good sign. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:05:15 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rainbow Bridge...... Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Saliha, That's great. It almost sounds just like I picture it. A real Rainbow Bridge. Very cool. barb -------------------------------------- END